Puella Magi Madoka Magica
| No incubators = Humans still living naked on caves, and the universe on it's way to heat death. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."  |
| The problem is this; equal amount of hope creates equal amount of despair. Thus, if Urobuchi tries to twist that formula, he can easily create bad ending out of anything. (*since he is genius~~) If Madoka decide to wish for death of all incubators, here is the dilema; 1. Madoka would never become mahou shoujo in the first place, thus parodox occurs 2. Entropy problem will not be solved, thus universe will die due to decreases of energy or whtaevershit. (lol shit physics) 3. Mami will still die from the accident, Kyouko will still be poor and eventually die with pain hunger, Kyousuke will not be cured, Homura will not be mahou shoujo which does not carry Madoka's will. Wishing for something like 'becoming god' has problem too. The definition of world 'god' is twisted as Kyuube's understanding. He is manipulative bastard, you know. |
ringoo4Apr 24, 2011 5:14 PM
ringoo4 said: Wishing for something like 'becoming god' has problem too. The definition of world 'god' is twisted as Kyuube's understanding. He is manipulative bastard, you know. Exactly, and hence the importance of her wish be carried out by her own hands. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
BrickBreak said: Well said. Madoka realized that wishing for too much carries consequences so she went for a compromise. The cruel fate of the old system was the fact humans, mainly magical girls, were treated as livestock. The universe was being saved at the expense of little girl's tragedy and despair. So she figured, she can't destroy the Incubators because the universe has to be saved and Mahou Shoujo are still needed to fight curses and collect energy plus if none of her friends had become Mahou Shoujo's they would have lived crappy lives or died. So of course, the only thing she could do without messing up the universe's equilibrium was stop the mahou shoujo from becoming witches.ringoo4 said: Wishing for something like 'becoming god' has problem too. The definition of world 'god' is twisted as Kyuube's understanding. He is manipulative bastard, you know. Exactly, and hence the importance of her wish be carried out by her own hands. Could she have thought up an even better wish? Sure, she could have come up with a little more details to fine-tune her new world, but is not like she had enough time to come up with a good plan before Homura succumbed to despair. |
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| lol@ everyone over-complicating this. Simply put, Kyuubey has to agree with every wish he grants. |
Falsey said: lol@ everyone over-complicating this. Simply put, Kyuubey has to agree with every wish he grants. Kyuubey says at the end, the old world would have been the better choice for dealing with entropy. I doubt he willingly granted Madoka's wish. I prefer to believe Madoka's overwhelming power forced him to grant her wish. |
Lerax said: No, I think he really had to.Falsey said: lol@ everyone over-complicating this. Simply put, Kyuubey has to agree with every wish he grants. Kyuubey says at the end, the old world would have been the better choice for dealing with entropy. I doubt he willingly granted Madoka's wish. I prefer to believe Madoka's overwhelming power forced him to grant her wish. However, had she no wished to do it by her own hands, he could have very well corrupted her wish to meet his personal agenda, like he did (and admitted to doing so) to all other girls. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
BrickBreak said: He's a very literal guy so yeah, unless you make him some huge contract with hundreds of pages of details, he will always twist it around. Basically the only reason her wish worked was both because of her wording and the amount of latent power she already had.Lerax said: No, I think he really had to.Falsey said: lol@ everyone over-complicating this. Simply put, Kyuubey has to agree with every wish he grants. Kyuubey says at the end, the old world would have been the better choice for dealing with entropy. I doubt he willingly granted Madoka's wish. I prefer to believe Madoka's overwhelming power forced him to grant her wish. However, had she no wished to do it by her own hands, he could have very well corrupted her wish to meet his personal agenda, like he did (and admitted to doing so) to all other girls. |
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batman3456 said: There's a few parts you glossed over, starting with the fates of the shown magical girls in the show:If madoka wish for all this supernatural stuff to be gone, then everyone would be in lesser despair than they originally started. The wishes give great happiness and an equal amount of sorrow. This is problem. If she wished for all of this to be gone. Everyone would have a normal life and in my eyes a happy ending. The world would be in balance and incubators have no longer an strong energy source to feed off on anymore. Sayaka would still be with violin guy, who would eventually move on from being emo and realize who has been with him all this time. Kyouko's family would still be alive. Mami would be able to die peacefully instead of being all alone. Homura would be happily with Madoka and her friends. Of course the wish would be paradoxical and problematic, but her wish to be god and stop girls from turning evil from past, present, and future isnt????? -Sayaka would likely suffer from the fact her crush would keep his whole life cursing his broken body. - Kyouko would be poor and most likely die at some point. - Homura would have returned to being that sickly girl from the start and continued to be bullied, perhaps eventually snap. - Mami would have died on the accident, ALONE. This one is not even an if thing, she would die, that's it. As you can see, all the girls actually were experiencing sorrow and despair BEFORE being magical girls, and we might even say they became magical girl exactly because it offered them hope for their situation. So eliminating this option would not magically make their lives any better. And in a more wider picture way, you completely evaded the fact the Incubators' purpose was not just to antagonize a single planet like evil overlords. They were attempting to stop the death of the Universe. If you erase them, that end would be inevitable. So as you see, regardless of the wish, there just wasn't a sugary happy solution, although I do agree her wish wasn't the best. There were other wishes she could come up with that solved extra problems. |
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