| Ergo Proxy has a great ammount of references (like any other Sato-san work), to mythology and philosophy in particular. A great ammout of them is pointed out by Shinsen-subs, but I found some more (I'll post every reference I found later, I can't find my DVD with Ergo now ^^'). If you noticed some more, you're free to post it here. First one: Real Mayer's name. The name is written "Real", no "Re-l" - the way it's displayed on the screen in Dedalus labolatory. If you look closer, you'll see the broken letter "A". Anyway, "Re-l" is paradoxaly Real's real name ;). As the plot develop, you know why - she's "RE-1", the first duplicate of Monad Proxy. Is white Real the "RE-2"? I don't really know. 2. Falling baby carriage in episode 2 - we have the same scene in "The Untouchables", when Cevin Costner lets a carriage with baby in it, starts a gunfire and child's mother falls over, everything in slow motion. Of coure in "ergo" nobody starts to shoot, but the results are simmilar. 3. Falling Vincent - this great scene, when he falls from Romodo head down, mumbling a monologe and the screen shakes, isn't original either. The exact same scene is in "Animatrix - Kid's Story", it's even has the same meaning - the guy is closed in an ideal, but fake world and to set free from it, he needs to do something radical - fell down, giving up his life. But he doesn't die, he "awakens" in the real world. 4.Pino's rabbit costume - Obvious reference to the "Alice in Wonderland", Pino guides Vincent through his journey. She may also be one of the Centzon rabbits (that may mean she's a mirror thet shows Vincent emotions - see Centzon Totochtin on Wikipedia). 5.Futu-risk: The name of episode 4, but also the name of electro-punk band from 80s. The genere fits well, also this word play look awesome ;p. 6.Remember two Proxies fighting each other on two towers? Tolkien? 7. From the same episode - dinner with the Blonde Proxy (who looks and behaves like France from Hetalia). At one point he wants to kiss Vincent's hand to "thank" him for killing his beloved. Despite being somewhat gay, this scene resemble me the part of Homer's "Iliad", when king Agamnemnon secretly comes to the Greek camp to beg Achilles for giving back his son's body. 8. Real kicking Vincent out of the boat - isn't it like Garfielid ang Odie? Real's attitude in this ep is really Garfield-like. Also, we can observe how much Vince and Real are different, just like cat and dog. 9.Nightmare quiz - very popular theme of sci-fi novels and films. The episode makes you feel "wtf", but probably Sato-san is making fun of the genere (like in Samurai Schamploo he's messing up with samurai story). 10. The name of the last episode is ironically "deus ex machina" - it means the plot twist that explains and ends all the threads. That's it for now, it's all I can remember. I hope you like it and have your own remarks ;) |
Snowley said: Ergo Proxy has a great ammount of references (like any other Sato-san work), to mythology and philosophy in particular. A great ammout of them is pointed out by Shinsen-subs, but I found some more (I'll post every reference I found later, I can't find my DVD with Ergo now ^^'). If you noticed some more, you're free to post it here. That's it for now, it's all I can remember. I hope you like it and have your own remarks ;) Regarding your point #1, Re-l's name is listed per Episode 7 as: re-l124c41+ or if read: Re-l, one to foresee for one. Per that episode, our heroine has been witness to many things that has made her search the mystery behind the Proxies. Also, to add to your #7 item, Kazkis Proxy in his human form looks like Brad Pitt from his Legends of the Fall days. The Achilles angle as you have mentioned also works well, Mr. Pitt also portraying that character form the movie Troy. Other things that I liked in this series is their referencing of German WW2 images. Petro Sellers, Vincent Law's boss looks like Adolf Hitler. The soldiers from Halos dome in Episode 8 look like German soldiers from WW2 in winter clothing. Their helmet is unmistakably the Stahlhelm or the iconic German steel helmet and their overcoats, just change the white into field grey and you have Germans in Ergo Proxy. Episode 14 entitled Ophelia has Re-l (fake Re-l) in an almost identical scene from John Everett Millais' painting of the same name. I just love the complexity of this series and the various references it has used to convey the story. |
| "We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer" |
Also, to add to your #7 item, Kazkis Proxy in his human form looks like Brad Pitt from his Legends of the Fall days. That's really interesting, I haven't seen this film yet.( I've seen it, but in Polish the title is totally different ^^' - more like "the wind of passion"; our translators are crazy, they always come up with some random titles) I thought about Hetalia just beacuse it's the series I recently watch. I just love the complexity of this series and the various references it has used to convey the story. I agree completly, references in anime are one of the main reasons I like it so much :) |
SnowleyJun 14, 2009 1:54 PM
| Great stuff, I also enjoy the references used in Ergo Proxy as well. |
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| It's probably unintentional, but the scene in the cinema in episode 19 (Pino in the Smile Land) reminds me a lot of Donnie Darko: Pino is wearing a bunny suit. There's a creepy atmosphere in the cinema. Screen is not just a screen, "real" things happen on it. Will B. Good's arms extending out of it look like those fluid tubes in Donnie Darko. Will B. Good is trying to convince Pino to do something bad. |
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| you could find a reference to almost anything though, which is even more interesting. same mine, different gems. sigh,,when will they make another Ergo Proxy.. |
corbenic said: It's probably unintentional, but the scene in the cinema in episode 19 (Pino in the Smile Land) reminds me a lot of Donnie Darko: Pino is wearing a bunny suit. There's a creepy atmosphere in the cinema. Screen is not just a screen, "real" things happen on it. Will B. Good's arms extending out of it look like those fluid tubes in Donnie Darko. Will B. Good is trying to convince Pino to do something bad. Wow, that's a great find. Those scenes are indeed very similar. Donnie Darko is such a great movie and is actually similar to Ergo Proxy in some ways such as themes and how the stories are presented. |
| did no one notice deadulas and his creation burning in the sun? same story as deadalus and his son escaping their prison with wax wings, but flying too close to the sun. lol |
| I think it's too obvious to state that... |
| I've always thought that an interesting movie or anime should be multi layered and contain many references straight on or hidden to be a truly amazing piece of work. That is what depicts usual from unusual directors and artists from the flock. Something worth seeing at least a couple of times, and every time you discover something new that you missed or were unable to comprehend the previous time(s)... =))) |
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