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Oct 4, 2023 9:47 PM
#1
As the title implies. As much as I have wanted this to happen, I have also been equally fearful of the destruction CGI usage will wreak on this. When it inevitably happens, this will be the thread to visit. |
Oct 4, 2023 10:40 PM
#2
Otomo was one of the early adopters of CG in anime (Memories) and has made a film that's more 3D than 2D (Steamboy) so OP is probably right in expecting this new adaptation to have a lot of CG. |
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Oct 5, 2023 5:49 AM
#3
but cgi can look fucking awesome these days and there's a lot of great cgi in anime people didn't even notice because it so well implemented |
Oct 5, 2023 6:26 AM
#4
I just hope it's not 100% 3D. I get dizzy so I always have to miss out. Sad I have to skip Onimusha this year |
Oct 5, 2023 7:53 AM
#5
Why so pessimistic? |
Oct 5, 2023 9:07 AM
#6
Reply to FlowVonD
but cgi can look fucking awesome these days and there's a lot of great cgi in anime people didn't even notice because it so well implemented
@FlowVonD I really hope you're not one of those studio Orange fans. People have tried to convince me their stuff is top tier, but it looks so janky. Textures look flat af, something about how stiff the characters all look, and at certain points they just speed up the framerate which is super awkward during snappy action bits. |
Oct 5, 2023 2:15 PM
#7
Well, the studio which was in charge of the project a few years ago was Sunrise. I have noooo problem with that, as long as they put their top tier staff on the project. |
Oct 5, 2023 3:05 PM
#8
did they say it was going to be primarily 3D? |
Oct 5, 2023 4:59 PM
#10
Reply to TofuTehSurvivor
@FlowVonD I really hope you're not one of those studio Orange fans. People have tried to convince me their stuff is top tier, but it looks so janky. Textures look flat af, something about how stiff the characters all look, and at certain points they just speed up the framerate which is super awkward during snappy action bits.
@TofuTehSurvivor Tell me you have no clue what you're talking about without telling me lol. |
Oct 5, 2023 5:09 PM
#11
Reply to ELtaaaaaa
@TofuTehSurvivor Tell me you have no clue what you're talking about without telling me lol.
@ELtaaaaaa Okay then I'll ask you a simple question. What is your grand idea of good CGI? Just name one series. I already know what kind of trash you're going to respond with, but I'm more curious to be proven wrong. |
Oct 5, 2023 5:14 PM
#12
Reply to TofuTehSurvivor
@ELtaaaaaa Okay then I'll ask you a simple question. What is your grand idea of good CGI? Just name one series. I already know what kind of trash you're going to respond with, but I'm more curious to be proven wrong.
@TofuTehSurvivor Why would I could say anything and you'd get mad and say "NO NO NO" like the fucking riddler lmao. |
Oct 5, 2023 5:30 PM
#13
This adaptation is going to be sh!t, just like every "new" project of old anime made for "modern audiences" This new one will have some sort of woke & "the message" in there, inserted casually or in plain view. Mark my words. |
Me every time I hear the word "reparations": 🤣🤣🤣 |
Oct 5, 2023 5:32 PM
#14
Reply to ELtaaaaaa
@TofuTehSurvivor Why would I could say anything and you'd get mad and say "NO NO NO" like the fucking riddler lmao.
@ELtaaaaaa No, I'm all ears. I even said prove me wrong. No need to be afraid if you would stand behind a series you like. |
Oct 5, 2023 6:37 PM
#15
imagine an open world game of Akira with CG cutscenes, I'd prefer that over a full CG series |
Oct 5, 2023 7:01 PM
#16
Reply to TofuTehSurvivor
@ELtaaaaaa No, I'm all ears. I even said prove me wrong. No need to be afraid if you would stand behind a series you like.
@TofuTehSurvivor Well just look at CSM. It's so good casuals can't discern 2D from 3D cause both look so good. |
Oct 5, 2023 7:14 PM
#17
spriggan is a prime exemple how to adapt a manga from 80's/90's. mixes 3dcg with 2d animation. characters are 99% 2d while 3dcg is used for background, mechanicals etc. |
Oct 6, 2023 9:14 PM
#18
Reply to lionaloone
imagine an open world game of Akira with CG cutscenes, I'd prefer that over a full CG series
@lionaloone WTF? This was so oddly funny lmao. |
Oct 7, 2023 5:17 AM
#19
Reply to TofuTehSurvivor
@FlowVonD I really hope you're not one of those studio Orange fans. People have tried to convince me their stuff is top tier, but it looks so janky. Textures look flat af, something about how stiff the characters all look, and at certain points they just speed up the framerate which is super awkward during snappy action bits.
@TofuTehSurvivor Orange do use real actors for the movement of their characters, so I can see where you are going saying it looks a bit choppy at times, but they did such an awesome job with Beastars, I'd take that over any bland ass "just painting the manga panel in a color animated version" adaptations any day |
Oct 7, 2023 7:00 AM
#20
Reply to Pyth79
@TofuTehSurvivor Orange do use real actors for the movement of their characters, so I can see where you are going saying it looks a bit choppy at times, but they did such an awesome job with Beastars, I'd take that over any bland ass "just painting the manga panel in a color animated version" adaptations any day
@Pyth79 I thought Beastars looked awful. Thought I would at least give it a chance when it premiered, but I could never get over the overall feel of it. There's something about how drawn stuff looks when animated at 22fps than CGI. I'm not sure how to technically describe it, but even Guilty Gear Strive looks like a way better than any CGI anime out there, and that's a game. Why can't they just detail stuff in CGI too look as good as that? I don't know, does that make any sense? Off-topic: Beastars would have looke 200% better if it used stop animation like the opening had. The entire show, animated like that. That's what I would rather see if hand drawn animation was just absolutely out of the question. Need more Rankin/Bass inspired stuff. @ELtaaaaaa Chainsaw Man looks like the kind of show that could have benefitted from looking good to begin with. Not enough style points on that one. Haven't fully watched it yet, but not sure it would keep my interest based on it's style. |
Oct 7, 2023 8:07 AM
#21
Reply to Pyth79
@TofuTehSurvivor Orange do use real actors for the movement of their characters, so I can see where you are going saying it looks a bit choppy at times, but they did such an awesome job with Beastars, I'd take that over any bland ass "just painting the manga panel in a color animated version" adaptations any day
@Pyth79 He wants to be different and not progressive and wants anime to go back to the dark ages don't bother lol. |
Oct 8, 2023 7:23 AM
#22
Reply to Dawizz
This adaptation is going to be sh!t, just like every "new" project of old anime made for "modern audiences"
This new one will have some sort of woke & "the message" in there, inserted casually or in plain view. Mark my words.
This new one will have some sort of woke & "the message" in there, inserted casually or in plain view. Mark my words.
@Dawizz WAH WAH WOKE WAH WAH WAH shut up rightoid |
Oct 8, 2023 7:42 AM
#23
Reply to kmlkmljkl
@Dawizz WAH WAH WOKE WAH WAH WAH shut up rightoid
@kmlkmljkl Go suck a pineapple boy, grow some hair on your ink sack, go watch more anime, get laid more than once, stop living in your parents basement & eating their food. Once you have done all that, then you can come talk to me. Until then, who are you again? Oh yeah a nobody. But I'll be a good sport and advice you, be careful what you say to me, it may come off as hate speach, after all I am a LGBT member, a married with children one. So be careful on your whitty/teen edgelord come back/response. Also, your response just showed me I already won the argument, I dunno why your side thinks that by calling us such names your sticking it up to us or something. It doesn't, I was also a lib moron like yourself, but got Red pilled, hard and never looked back. |
Me every time I hear the word "reparations": 🤣🤣🤣 |
Oct 8, 2023 9:05 AM
#24
Reply to Dawizz
@kmlkmljkl
Go suck a pineapple boy, grow some hair on your ink sack, go watch more anime, get laid more than once, stop living in your parents basement & eating their food.
Once you have done all that, then you can come talk to me. Until then, who are you again? Oh yeah a nobody.
But I'll be a good sport and advice you, be careful what you say to me, it may come off as hate speach, after all I am a LGBT member, a married with children one. So be careful on your whitty/teen edgelord come back/response.
Also, your response just showed me I already won the argument, I dunno why your side thinks that by calling us such names your sticking it up to us or something.
It doesn't, I was also a lib moron like yourself, but got Red pilled, hard and never looked back.
Go suck a pineapple boy, grow some hair on your ink sack, go watch more anime, get laid more than once, stop living in your parents basement & eating their food.
Once you have done all that, then you can come talk to me. Until then, who are you again? Oh yeah a nobody.
But I'll be a good sport and advice you, be careful what you say to me, it may come off as hate speach, after all I am a LGBT member, a married with children one. So be careful on your whitty/teen edgelord come back/response.
Also, your response just showed me I already won the argument, I dunno why your side thinks that by calling us such names your sticking it up to us or something.
It doesn't, I was also a lib moron like yourself, but got Red pilled, hard and never looked back.
@Dawizz Lmfaooooo |
Oct 8, 2023 12:11 PM
#25
Reply to kmlkmljkl
@Dawizz WAH WAH WOKE WAH WAH WAH shut up rightoid
@kmlkmljkl the first rude and annoying tanjiro stan i've seen. though i also disagree with that person, but i'm not childish anyways, i'm kinda excited! i hope the cgi is similar to csm or demon slayer :D |
hurry up, we're dreaming |
Oct 9, 2023 5:42 AM
#26
Reply to Dawizz
@kmlkmljkl
Go suck a pineapple boy, grow some hair on your ink sack, go watch more anime, get laid more than once, stop living in your parents basement & eating their food.
Once you have done all that, then you can come talk to me. Until then, who are you again? Oh yeah a nobody.
But I'll be a good sport and advice you, be careful what you say to me, it may come off as hate speach, after all I am a LGBT member, a married with children one. So be careful on your whitty/teen edgelord come back/response.
Also, your response just showed me I already won the argument, I dunno why your side thinks that by calling us such names your sticking it up to us or something.
It doesn't, I was also a lib moron like yourself, but got Red pilled, hard and never looked back.
Go suck a pineapple boy, grow some hair on your ink sack, go watch more anime, get laid more than once, stop living in your parents basement & eating their food.
Once you have done all that, then you can come talk to me. Until then, who are you again? Oh yeah a nobody.
But I'll be a good sport and advice you, be careful what you say to me, it may come off as hate speach, after all I am a LGBT member, a married with children one. So be careful on your whitty/teen edgelord come back/response.
Also, your response just showed me I already won the argument, I dunno why your side thinks that by calling us such names your sticking it up to us or something.
It doesn't, I was also a lib moron like yourself, but got Red pilled, hard and never looked back.
@Dawizz Dawizz said: who are you again? Oh yeah a nobody And you're not ? Dawizz said: your response just showed me I already won the argument Yeeeah, usually when you write "I already won" instead of, you know, actually winning, that's not a good sign either |
Oct 12, 2023 4:26 PM
#27
Reply to TofuTehSurvivor
@FlowVonD I really hope you're not one of those studio Orange fans. People have tried to convince me their stuff is top tier, but it looks so janky. Textures look flat af, something about how stiff the characters all look, and at certain points they just speed up the framerate which is super awkward during snappy action bits.
@TofuTehSurvivor i had to google that |
Oct 12, 2023 4:27 PM
#28
Reply to Pyth79
@TofuTehSurvivor Orange do use real actors for the movement of their characters, so I can see where you are going saying it looks a bit choppy at times, but they did such an awesome job with Beastars, I'd take that over any bland ass "just painting the manga panel in a color animated version" adaptations any day
@Pyth79 i second that beastars was great |
Nov 22, 2023 7:07 PM
#30
Reply to Redsun53
cgi≠bad animation
@Redsun53 TRue too bad anime fans are idiots lol also Sunrise havce some of the best 3D animation in the industry we're fine |
Dec 16, 2023 6:51 PM
#31
Jesus Christ, this thread is depressing. CG can be good and/or bad, it just depends on the money and care the production is supplied with. Also, Orange does some very impressive work. While some of you might disagree with me (which is totes migotes okay), Land of the Lustrous and Trigun are works of art, at least in my opinion. Everything's great guys, we have something which could be amazing hopefully coming soon, why the pissing contest? |
Dec 16, 2023 7:13 PM
#32
how was Trigun Stampede? Maybe this will not be so bad. |
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Mar 1, 2024 12:01 PM
#33
I also typically hate heavy CG usage (the new trigun and berserk being two good examples of cgi gone wrong), but Ufotable has show us that CG can be used tastefully and preserve the artistry integral to anime. Just look at Heavens Feel or Garden of Sinners (Kara No Kyoukai). It HAS to be light CG usage, or in a style that mimics hand drawn cells/classic anime look. Most anime fans don’t want their shows looking like video game cutscenes. Akira done in Ufotables style would certainly work well, and we could finally get a thorough adaptation of the manga. Don’t get me wrong, the film was a masterpiece, but the manga has so much more context and character development that was left out. Akira was always prime to be revisited. It would be the coolest if the original team could redo it as a series of films like Unicorn Gundam or Gundam Origin did (1 hour OVAs with no television editing, broken in 7 films). |
Aug 9, 2024 3:56 PM
#34
I'm cool with CGI just not the 3d. 3d should have never been in Evangelion remakes, gundam and basically everything else. |
Aug 9, 2024 4:07 PM
#35
Reply to Ketamigo
I also typically hate heavy CG usage (the new trigun and berserk being two good examples of cgi gone wrong), but Ufotable has show us that CG can be used tastefully and preserve the artistry integral to anime. Just look at Heavens Feel or Garden of Sinners (Kara No Kyoukai). It HAS to be light CG usage, or in a style that mimics hand drawn cells/classic anime look. Most anime fans don’t want their shows looking like video game cutscenes. Akira done in Ufotables style would certainly work well, and we could finally get a thorough adaptation of the manga.
Don’t get me wrong, the film was a masterpiece, but the manga has so much more context and character development that was left out. Akira was always prime to be revisited. It would be the coolest if the original team could redo it as a series of films like Unicorn Gundam or Gundam Origin did (1 hour OVAs with no television editing, broken in 7 films).
Don’t get me wrong, the film was a masterpiece, but the manga has so much more context and character development that was left out. Akira was always prime to be revisited. It would be the coolest if the original team could redo it as a series of films like Unicorn Gundam or Gundam Origin did (1 hour OVAs with no television editing, broken in 7 films).
Ketamigo said: the new trigun and berserk being two good examples of cgi gone wrong) Stampede is an example of gone VERY right. It has artistry and preserves the integrity of anime, and looks fantastic in general. |
Oct 29, 2024 9:48 PM
#36
Reply to TofuTehSurvivor
@FlowVonD I really hope you're not one of those studio Orange fans. People have tried to convince me their stuff is top tier, but it looks so janky. Textures look flat af, something about how stiff the characters all look, and at certain points they just speed up the framerate which is super awkward during snappy action bits.
@TofuTehSurvivor Still better than Chainsaw Man anime with that gross and soulless CG. |
Nov 26, 2024 4:07 PM
#37
Reply to Oongbuh
Ketamigo said:
the new trigun and berserk being two good examples of cgi gone wrong)
the new trigun and berserk being two good examples of cgi gone wrong)
Stampede is an example of gone VERY right. It has artistry and preserves the integrity of anime, and looks fantastic in general.
@Oongbuh I’m late to respond, but I really, really disliked the art style they used in the new trigun. I understand that it is quicker and cheaper to use majority CG, but comparing it to the original Trigun anime just makes the entire thing feel cheap and video gamey. I guess when comparing it to other majority-cg anime it’s fine, maybe even “good”, but no cg anime will ever be “great” in the way that the examples I provided were. Anime in general has a uniqueness and charm that largely comes from an adherence to tradition that separates it from western animations, and being as close to hand drawn as possible, at least imho, is absolutely necessary for an anime to be enjoyable. I’m even okay with some integration of heavy cgi/3D style models if the rest of the series has traditional style animation (Gundam series does this and it’s fine because the rest is so damn beautiful). Like I said, Kara No Kyoukai is my favorite anime, and Ufotable certainly uses a lot of cg, but they have always done it in a way that essentially just modernizes and adds definition to what was already great about 90s-00s anime. Trigun in that style just didn’t work for me, and that’s okay. Just will never be my taste. |
Mar 31, 8:59 PM
#38
Im fine with it as long as its light usage. I dont wanna see choppy and cgi crowds only minor stuff |
Mar 31, 9:22 PM
#39
Reply to Ketamigo
@Oongbuh I’m late to respond, but I really, really disliked the art style they used in the new trigun. I understand that it is quicker and cheaper to use majority CG, but comparing it to the original Trigun anime just makes the entire thing feel cheap and video gamey.
I guess when comparing it to other majority-cg anime it’s fine, maybe even “good”, but no cg anime will ever be “great” in the way that the examples I provided were.
Anime in general has a uniqueness and charm that largely comes from an adherence to tradition that separates it from western animations, and being as close to hand drawn as possible, at least imho, is absolutely necessary for an anime to be enjoyable. I’m even okay with some integration of heavy cgi/3D style models if the rest of the series has traditional style animation (Gundam series does this and it’s fine because the rest is so damn beautiful).
Like I said, Kara No Kyoukai is my favorite anime, and Ufotable certainly uses a lot of cg, but they have always done it in a way that essentially just modernizes and adds definition to what was already great about 90s-00s anime. Trigun in that style just didn’t work for me, and that’s okay. Just will never be my taste.
I guess when comparing it to other majority-cg anime it’s fine, maybe even “good”, but no cg anime will ever be “great” in the way that the examples I provided were.
Anime in general has a uniqueness and charm that largely comes from an adherence to tradition that separates it from western animations, and being as close to hand drawn as possible, at least imho, is absolutely necessary for an anime to be enjoyable. I’m even okay with some integration of heavy cgi/3D style models if the rest of the series has traditional style animation (Gundam series does this and it’s fine because the rest is so damn beautiful).
Like I said, Kara No Kyoukai is my favorite anime, and Ufotable certainly uses a lot of cg, but they have always done it in a way that essentially just modernizes and adds definition to what was already great about 90s-00s anime. Trigun in that style just didn’t work for me, and that’s okay. Just will never be my taste.
Ketamigo said: I understand that it is quicker and cheaper to use majority CG CGI is not cheap, depending on the scale it can cost way more than a full/mostly 2D work, specially since 3D artists are generally paid much better than traditional animators in Japan. And Stampede was not made as a CG anime nor does Orange specialize in it because it's a "cheaper and quicker" option, they do it because they love it and see it as just as much as a valuable tool for animation as 2D is. Ketamigo said: guess when comparing it to other majority-cg anime it’s fine, maybe even “good”, but no cg anime will ever be “great” in the way that the examples I provided were. Stampede looks amazing. PERIOD. Not because most other cases are bad, not because it's doing the bare minimum or anything, it excels in pretty much anything it tries to do. The models are charming, the animation is expressive and snappy when it needs to be, the action is superb, it is an extremely well polished prodect by it's own merits. And even outside of it, there exists Beastars, Land of the Lustrous, Kengan Ashura, pretty much anything made by Orange or Sanzigen... Plenty of "great" CG anime that exists. Ketamigo said: and being as close to hand drawn as possible, at least imho, is absolutely necessary for an anime to be enjoyable. That is an extremely reductive way of looking at it and just feels like trying to restrict what anime is in a completely pointless way. I would enjoy it if looks good, more than anything else. Would you say say that something like the latter seasons of Seven Deadly Sins are "more enjoyable" to watch simply because they have more traditional animation than Beastars or Stampede, despite looking twenty times worse than both? |
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