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Apr 10, 2013 7:35 PM
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I watched the first 3 episodes when it started, and really couldn't get into it. The device of obscuring the older brother's face was particularly annoying (as was the voice actor and the character), but I could see that there was some potential to this show, I just didn't have the constitutional fortitude to invest the time to see if this panned out.

So I am asking the greater community here. In total would you recommend this animation? I like weird, I can grove on strange, however if something is just strange for strange sake, it quickly annoys me (like a joke told too many times). So a good question I would like to ask is: does the brother's character actually have a point to it, does he continue to annoy for the remainder of the series, or does the story make you say "Ah, that worked out".


Apr 10, 2013 7:37 PM
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It's alright, it gets a bit better but, if you don't like it that much I wouldn't recommend watching it since IMO it doesn't get that much better.
Apr 10, 2013 7:42 PM
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>constitutional fortitude
One of us doesn't know what this actually means.

As for the topic, yes, the brother's character obviously does have a point to it. I doubt you will enjoy the show very much though, you sound like someone who gets hung up over little
'details' (hiding his face) quickly, the show overall may be simply too obscure for you.
Apr 11, 2013 9:21 AM
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bNq said:
>constitutional fortitude. One of us doesn't know what this actually means.

Humm, showing my 18th century roots I guess. Different to patience, constitutional fortitude is the inner strength one has that allows them to bear hardships that would drive others to evil. So basically I was saying that I didn't have the inner strength to overcome my own handicaps.

bNq said:
As for the topic, yes, the brother's character obviously does have a point to it. I doubt you will enjoy the show very much though, you sound like someone who gets hung up over little 'details' (hiding his face) quickly, the show overall may be simply too obscure for you.

Obscure I can handle, in fact I adore obscure (which I think is a word that one of use doesn't know what it means), but I really don't like it as a substitute for being clever or as an explanation for laziness.

Things, such as the older brother character (the face mask was a symbol for what annoyed me about the character) are tolerable if the rest of the shows has a payoff somewhere else, but my point above was that the first three episodes didn't (and having to wait a week between episodes certainly didn't help). My question above was to people who did watch the entire thing, is it worth it to attempt to watch it again, straight through?
Apr 11, 2013 9:30 AM
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I don't want to hiijack this thread but where does the romance actually come from ? because I watched a couple of episodes when it first aired and I don't remember any hints or clues ?
Apr 11, 2013 9:33 AM
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You don't seem too patient if you expect an "obscure" show to explain anything within the first three episodes.

>but my point above was that the first three episodes didn't
There are quite a lot of people who would disagree on that.

>Different to patience, constitutional fortitude is the inner strength one has that allows them to bear hardships that would drive others to evil. So basically I was saying that I didn't have the inner strength to overcome my own handicaps.
I'm not an englishe native, so I'm only doubting you on a hinch here. I couldn't find any entries (whether on proper dictionary websites or other sites) where it would explain that idiom/phrase the way you did. You actually only find a handful of entries for the exact phrase "constitutional fortitude", most of them feature it in some political context - the way I would've guessed it to be properly used in the first place.

>Humm, showing my 18th century roots I guess.
At this point I'd like you to tell you to fuck off, but as this seems kind of moot, I'll just leave the thread. Just as a last note, you didn't make yourself sound sophisticated or whatever you were going here for, you just made a complete fool out of yourself.
Apr 11, 2013 9:34 AM
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I like this show. And despite all the perceived randomness everything would turn out to serve a main theme, which is the personal growth of Sasami-san. The problem for the series is things look so chaotic and random in the early episodes, which can easily turn people off if you are not particularly fond of ts other aspects like the character design, background art or voice acting/sound etc. In my opinion the early episodes are easily the weakest part of the series. Also, the enjoyment of this show would be enhanced by knowledge of Japanese mythology and popular otaku/internet culture, but even without it, one should still be able to enjoy the show.

However, if the face-obscuring bothers you so much, then my advice is to skip it because it will not be explained, at least not in the anime. The character and background of the elder brother is still one of the biggest mysteries by the end of the series, despite hints dropped here and there at various points. And his behavior is not going to change much either, even though we will see bit more depth to his character in the series later.
symbvApr 11, 2013 9:39 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Apr 11, 2013 9:39 PM
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symbv said:
However, if the face-obscuring bothers you so much, then my advice is to skip it because it will not be explained, at least not in the anime. The character and background of the elder brother is still one of the biggest mysteries by the end of the series, despite hints dropped here and there at various points. And his behavior is not going to change much either, even though we will see bit more depth to his character in the series later.


I don't need the brother's character explained, I just found the character more annoying than the show was worth after three episodes. Similar to what I was writing on "Aku no Hana" thread regarding rotoscoping, gimmicks lose their novelty fairly quickly, and if the show doesn't give one a compelling reason to watch it, the gimmick becomes annoying. So I was really asking if the show gets better.

I actually am fairly well versed in Japanese mythology, Sasami is supposed to Amaterasu, so that would make the brother either the elusive Japanese moon god (which could be why his face is obscured) or Susano no Mitoko (if we are going by Japanese mythology, then if this is an incest relationship it would be Susano, since they did have children together). In that Susano is often depicted as a foreigner (in that he came from Korea), this could be another reason his face is obscured.

Thanks for the info though. That was what I wanted to hear. It does get better, and as you pointed out the first three episodes were weak and not indicative of the entire series. So I will give it another go.

BnQ - I am sorry that you are so thin skinned that you thought I was being "sophisticated" "condescending" or whatever to you. My "18th century" comment was a joke at my expense, because when I looked the phrase up after you asked I realized that it is extremely antiquated. The only dictionary entry I could find was a couple of hundred of years old. I hadn't realized that it was that out of date.

Though "constitutional fortitude" is a perfectly valid phrase, as an example it was used in this 2004 article from this Australian newspaper:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/27/1093518012878.html
Apr 11, 2013 10:00 PM
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Takuan_Soho said:
gimmicks lose their novelty fairly quickly, and if the show doesn't give one a compelling reason to watch it, the gimmick becomes annoying. So I was really asking if the show gets better.
Well, at the end the bottom line is how much you let that gimmick bothers you at the expense of enjoying other aspects or elements of the show. Frankly I also don't think much about the elder brother and his antics are often too extreme for my taste, but I was always able to look beyond that and found things I could enjoy even in the first 3 episodes. So the question is whether you are able to identify things to enjoy despite the brother, and if you could find little so far or if you could find it but got too distracted or annoyed by the brother, then my answer to your original question would be: I definitely see things improve in later parts of the series, and there may be new elements you will find enjoyable despite the brother, but it is hard to tell as I do not know your preference and taste very well, and if the default level of enjoyment you could find based on the premises so far revealed in 3 episodes is not quite sustainable for you to continue the show (hence your asking about it in MAL) I would not hype the show to you as your starting level of enjoyment derived from the show is fairly low, since the premises will expand and evolve but the basic idea still stays roughly the same.

Takuan_Soho said:
I actually am fairly well versed in Japanese mythology, Sasami is supposed to Amaterasu, so that would make the brother either the elusive Japanese moon god (which could be why his face is obscured) or Susano no Mitoko (if we are going by Japanese mythology, then if this is an incest relationship it would be Susano, since they did have children together). In that Susano is often depicted as a foreigner (in that he came from Korea), this could be another reason his face is obscured.
Hmmm... I guess I should not say more here. Your understanding may evolve if you decide to stay with the show.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Apr 12, 2013 6:24 AM
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Watch it for non-shaft-quality shaft animation.
Apr 18, 2013 9:54 PM

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It's unique in its own way but I wouldn't go around recommending people to watch it, its pretty weird imo but idk, just depends on who you are to like it.

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