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Sep 5, 4:48 AM
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Just some of my thoughts about the conclusion.
Sep 5, 5:17 AM
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All of them and many other. this show was a huge let down for me, with this popularity I was expecting something at least good.
Sep 5, 5:39 AM
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This show is realistic, not always in real life everything goes as planner or well.
Maybe you can be interested in the comment of the author of the novel about the ending, he is actually disappointed about the fact that in his view this show doesn't tell the viewer that you can always rescue from being an hikkikomori.
Personally I love the ending: in a way it is very sad beacause show how life goes on even if nothing goes as we wanted, but that's it, this is a thing that everyone eventually have to accept in their life.
Sep 5, 6:23 AM
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FilipeMR said:
All of them and many other. this show was a huge let down for me, with this popularity I was expecting something at least good.

the soundtracks are honestly great though
Sep 5, 6:25 AM
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Yuri_ZTT said:
This show is realistic, not always in real life everything goes as planner or well.
Maybe you can be interested in the comment of the author of the novel about the ending, he is actually disappointed about the fact that in his view this show doesn't tell the viewer that you can always rescue from being an hikkikomori.
Personally I love the ending: in a way it is very sad beacause show how life goes on even if nothing goes as we wanted, but that's it, this is a thing that everyone eventually have to accept in their life.

yea just kinda shocked that the solution to being a hikikomori in the show was basically starving
Sep 5, 8:07 AM
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I think the whole show was kind of lackluster. but maybe that's because I'd seen so many people hype it up, I really didn't expect it to be a slow slice of life about a hikikomori. I thought it was more like a loser guy getting dragged into some big conspiring organisation's misdoings. was wrong.
Sep 5, 8:53 AM
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The ending is realistic i guess which is a good ending, it just pretty much says no matter how much escapism you have it wouldn’t solve anything, you just live and survive by your own hands eventually. As a person that struggles with life skills, i also wanted that day to come but yeah the fear of failure still hits though.
Sep 5, 9:21 AM
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the pyramid scheme arc that bares no importance to the plot of this show
Sep 5, 9:40 AM
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It's a bittersweet ending. The whole point of the story is that nothing will save you from your own fear and laziness.
Sep 5, 10:00 AM
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For me it was all the deviations from the novel. I understood why a lot of them had to be made, but it just didn’t hit the same. I also found a lot of the anime-only material to be kinda bland.

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Sep 5, 10:13 AM
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IMO the whole resolution to being a hikikomori was wayyy too abrupt
Sep 5, 10:14 AM
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UpToNoGood said:
Yuri_ZTT said:
This show is realistic, not always in real life everything goes as planner or well.
Maybe you can be interested in the comment of the author of the novel about the ending, he is actually disappointed about the fact that in his view this show doesn't tell the viewer that you can always rescue from being an hikkikomori.
Personally I love the ending: in a way it is very sad beacause show how life goes on even if nothing goes as we wanted, but that's it, this is a thing that everyone eventually have to accept in their life.

yea just kinda shocked that the solution to being a hikikomori in the show was basically starving

I believe in a way that’s realistic and tied back to the shows message. A person will continue to live out a hollow existence as long as they’re met with the basic necessities. Satou put himself into that position and that final push to force him out of it was starving.
Sep 5, 12:01 PM
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UpToNoGood said:
Yuri_ZTT said:
This show is realistic, not always in real life everything goes as planner or well.
Maybe you can be interested in the comment of the author of the novel about the ending, he is actually disappointed about the fact that in his view this show doesn't tell the viewer that you can always rescue from being an hikkikomori.
Personally I love the ending: in a way it is very sad beacause show how life goes on even if nothing goes as we wanted, but that's it, this is a thing that everyone eventually have to accept in their life.

yea just kinda shocked that the solution to being a hikikomori in the show was basically starving

i mean if you think about it there really is no other way. people are able to be hikikomoris because someone is supporting their lifestyle. if that support is cut off they literally have no other way to survive. its either get a job or die
Sep 5, 3:30 PM
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I actually like the way his arc unfolds. However, what really disappoints me is the conclusion. The way the anime concludes by taking him out of that state is frustrating. I felt like the journey wasn't worth following; there wasn't any internal key point for this shift in perspective. For me, the problem wasn't that the conclusion of his arc is determined by the fact that he was going to starve, especially since it's a work that aims to be realistic.

The fact that someone is only a hikikomori because they have someone else's support is interesting to a certain extent. And I think it would have been a good reflection if it had been properly presented at a different point, rather than as the key to his shift in perspective. I think there was a lack of emotional reward for having followed the character up to that point.
Sep 5, 3:55 PM
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It felt like a too much of a sugar coated type of positive and optimistic ending I would have preferred something more darker or maybe even an open ending.

Btw, the scene which the MC is shown as a middle aged and obese man where he stil lstays with his family as a hikikomori could be considered an alternative ending.
Sep 5, 7:49 PM
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intiharr said:
It felt like a too much of a sugar coated type of positive and optimistic ending I would have preferred something more darker or maybe even an open ending.

Btw, the scene which the MC is shown as a middle aged and obese man where he stil lstays with his family as a hikikomori could be considered an alternative ending.

how is that optimistic? All his friends got all the good ending while satou himself is still forced to work a job that he only does for survival and doesn't really like it, have to teach misaki highschool stuff cuz she didn't go to school for years iirc, satou is basically living in poverty now because of his dad illness so his mom probably doesn't have time to care much for him anymore, no friends other than misaki who he felt guilt for asking her to feed him, his life is still shit but he felt like he is more independent now. He can still mess up and come back being a hikkiomor out of fear at any time here so it's barely optimistic at all for him.
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UpToNoGood said:
Yuri_ZTT said:
This show is realistic, not always in real life everything goes as planner or well.
Maybe you can be interested in the comment of the author of the novel about the ending, he is actually disappointed about the fact that in his view this show doesn't tell the viewer that you can always rescue from being an hikkikomori.
Personally I love the ending: in a way it is very sad beacause show how life goes on even if nothing goes as we wanted, but that's it, this is a thing that everyone eventually have to accept in their life.

yea just kinda shocked that the solution to being a hikikomori in the show was basically starving

I wouldn’t dumb it down and say that’s specifically the only reason though. What made Satou get out of his hikkimori ways is the fact that he forced himself to get outside, find a job and face the harsh world that is reality and the outside. He himself made those changes, not Misaki, not Yamazaki, him. They may have helped to try and change but once their relationship started fall apart, he went back to square one. One of the biggest points of the series is that you have to make a change and difference yourself, relying on others to help you or get the job done won’t always work or be beneficial in the long term. The moment you put an effort into being more independent and productive, the more eligible you become to reality and eventually leave your old lifestyle that you so desperately want to leave. I personally think it’s a great message and honestly don’t know how else it would be resolved. Not everyone needs a Misaki.
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intiharr said:
It felt like a too much of a sugar coated type of positive and optimistic ending I would have preferred something more darker or maybe even an open ending.

Btw, the scene which the MC is shown as a middle aged and obese man where he stil lstays with his family as a hikikomori could be considered an alternative ending.

how is that optimistic? All his friends got all the good ending while satou himself is still forced to work a job that he only does for survival and doesn't really like it, have to teach misaki highschool stuff cuz she didn't go to school for years iirc, satou is basically living in poverty now because of his dad illness so his mom probably doesn't have time to care much for him anymore, no friends other than misaki who he felt guilt for asking her to feed him, his life is still shit but he felt like he is more independent now. He can still mess up and come back being a hikkiomor out of fear at any time here so it's barely optimistic at all for him.
@zeyrox1109

First of all there is nothing really indicating that Satou doesn't like his job and there is the fact that Satou also helped himself by helping Misaki to get over her nihilistic worldview that revolves around self-hatred and self-harm. The new pact they made at the end further shows both of them left the suicidal thoughts behind and now have a more positive outlook, Satou and Misaki, both deeply flawed and emotionally scarred, don’t magically overcome their problems. But they do choose to live. I don't know what else this could be called other than an optimistic outcome.

And unlike what you seem to believe it's never shown or implied that Satou has an obligation to teach Misaki anything, Misaki is very much capable of studying by herself, and there is no harm if Satou helps her from time to time. The important thing is Satou is no longer a hikikomori by the end. He’s working, trying to support himself. Misaki is studying, aiming to re-enter society. Their growth is incremental, not dramatic—but that’s what makes it believable.

As for Satou's poverty situation, it's nowhere as dire as you picture it to be, he still has the option to move back with his parents and find a job there, as he did in the manga ending, or he could ask the senpai, who has a rich boyfriend/husband, to lend him some money if he becomes really desperate. Unlike what you believe the senpai, and Yamazaki, still count as Satou's friends at the end.

Last but not least, since this is a realistic kind of ending it would be unfitting to expect a happy ending for Satou where all his problems are resolved for good, which seems to be your understanding of optimistic ending.

For another perspective about the ending of anime being optimistic you could check out this article https://bateszi.me/2006/12/24/welcome-to-the-nhk-end-and-so-dies-the-neet/
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I'm not satisfied with the anime ending because it's not fully adapted to the manga ending where they end up together and continue the storyline
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intiharr said:
@zeyrox1109

First of all there is nothing really indicating that Satou doesn't like his job and there is the fact that Satou also helped himself by helping Misaki to get over her nihilistic worldview that revolves around self-hatred and self-harm. The new pact they made at the end further shows both of them left the suicidal thoughts behind and now have a more positive outlook, Satou and Misaki, both deeply flawed and emotionally scarred, don’t magically overcome their problems. But they do choose to live. I don't know what else this could be called other than an optimistic outcome.

And unlike what you seem to believe it's never shown or implied that Satou has an obligation to teach Misaki anything, Misaki is very much capable of studying by herself, and there is no harm if Satou helps her from time to time. The important thing is Satou is no longer a hikikomori by the end. He’s working, trying to support himself. Misaki is studying, aiming to re-enter society. Their growth is incremental, not dramatic—but that’s what makes it believable.

As for Satou's poverty situation, it's nowhere as dire as you picture it to be, he still has the option to move back with his parents and find a job there, as he did in the manga ending, or he could ask the senpai, who has a rich boyfriend/husband, to lend him some money if he becomes really desperate. Unlike what you believe the senpai, and Yamazaki, still count as Satou's friends at the end.

Last but not least, since this is a realistic kind of ending it would be unfitting to expect a happy ending for Satou where all his problems are resolved for good, which seems to be your understanding of optimistic ending.

For another perspective about the ending of anime being optimistic you could check out this article https://bateszi.me/2006/12/24/welcome-to-the-nhk-end-and-so-dies-the-neet/

Look at his face man, the visuals clearly say bro is only doing that job just to eat, he looked traumatized as hell while working, not even a single smile and no where it said that he dream to work that job. Misaki can learn by herself yeah, but that would be hard, they swear to be together and satou was willing to help her with her studies. People already struggle to learn in general already, skipping school that long from trauma ain't make that easy. Their relationship is still not that clean anyway because if misaki feeds him again satou will just think he is worthless again.

Satou have like social anxiety, doesn't want to disappoint his parents as clearly shown in the fake dating arc and have the tendency to think that everyone would insult him for being a loser. So no way he would borrow money off his friends, move in to his parents again cuz that will destroy his independence pride and im talking about anime, no manga ending here. Even if he did all of the solutions you say, his low self-esteem would crush him anyway. Yamazaki and senpai counted as his friends yeah, but what i meant by no friends is they are not present anymore to spoon feed him, they have their own lives now

So i would say the optimistic is about 10%, the other 90% of the ending pretty much just say cope with life. If you want actual bad endings then watch school days, end of evangelion.
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intiharr said:
@zeyrox1109

First of all there is nothing really indicating that Satou doesn't like his job and there is the fact that Satou also helped himself by helping Misaki to get over her nihilistic worldview that revolves around self-hatred and self-harm. The new pact they made at the end further shows both of them left the suicidal thoughts behind and now have a more positive outlook, Satou and Misaki, both deeply flawed and emotionally scarred, don’t magically overcome their problems. But they do choose to live. I don't know what else this could be called other than an optimistic outcome.

And unlike what you seem to believe it's never shown or implied that Satou has an obligation to teach Misaki anything, Misaki is very much capable of studying by herself, and there is no harm if Satou helps her from time to time. The important thing is Satou is no longer a hikikomori by the end. He’s working, trying to support himself. Misaki is studying, aiming to re-enter society. Their growth is incremental, not dramatic—but that’s what makes it believable.

As for Satou's poverty situation, it's nowhere as dire as you picture it to be, he still has the option to move back with his parents and find a job there, as he did in the manga ending, or he could ask the senpai, who has a rich boyfriend/husband, to lend him some money if he becomes really desperate. Unlike what you believe the senpai, and Yamazaki, still count as Satou's friends at the end.

Last but not least, since this is a realistic kind of ending it would be unfitting to expect a happy ending for Satou where all his problems are resolved for good, which seems to be your understanding of optimistic ending.

For another perspective about the ending of anime being optimistic you could check out this article https://bateszi.me/2006/12/24/welcome-to-the-nhk-end-and-so-dies-the-neet/

Look at his face man, the visuals clearly say bro is only doing that job just to eat, he looked traumatized as hell while working, not even a single smile and no where it said that he dream to work that job. Misaki can learn by herself yeah, but that would be hard, they swear to be together and satou was willing to help her with her studies. People already struggle to learn in general already, skipping school that long from trauma ain't make that easy. Their relationship is still not that clean anyway because if misaki feeds him again satou will just think he is worthless again.

Satou have like social anxiety, doesn't want to disappoint his parents as clearly shown in the fake dating arc and have the tendency to think that everyone would insult him for being a loser. So no way he would borrow money off his friends, move in to his parents again cuz that will destroy his independence pride and im talking about anime, no manga ending here. Even if he did all of the solutions you say, his low self-esteem would crush him anyway. Yamazaki and senpai counted as his friends yeah, but what i meant by no friends is they are not present anymore to spoon feed him, they have their own lives now

So i would say the optimistic is about 10%, the other 90% of the ending pretty much just say cope with life. If you want actual bad endings then watch school days, end of evangelion.
@zeyrox1109

Way to completely ignore what's said and shown about Satou's development at the end and just repeating whatever you have in your headcanon. And School Days' ending got nothing to do about the ending of NHk or related to anything I've said whatsoever.

Well, this just reminds me why I shouldn't bother arguing with zoomers, so thanks I guess.
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intiharr said:
@zeyrox1109

Way to completely ignore what's said and shown about Satou's development at the end and just repeating whatever you have in your headcanon. And School Days' ending got nothing to do about the ending of NHk or related to anything I've said whatsoever.

Well, this just reminds me why I shouldn't bother arguing with zoomers, so thanks I guess.

your point? satou development at the end is just him crawling out of hikkiomori slowly but not clean at all. That's exactly what i said. it's kinda dark ending already with a bit of optimistic like you said so it's bittersweet.

Dunno why you would prefer him to be a fat middle aged man, like if you want a complete bad ending with no optimistic at all then i recommend you school days i guess.
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Ronninn said:
the pyramid scheme arc that bares no importance to the plot of this show

Absolutely agree with that. To give that part a bit of credit, It is a good point in the story to show how easily manipulated Satou can be, and how it shows the characters growth between one another. It has been a bit since I have seen the show too, but you could also say that the other hikkikomori foreshadows how Satou will inevitably solve his problems (albeit lightly), but that may be stretching it.
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FilipeMR said:
All of them and many other. this show was a huge let down for me, with this popularity I was expecting something at least good.

this is coming from a frieren fan btw
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DazaiLover009 said:
I think the whole show was kind of lackluster. but maybe that's because I'd seen so many people hype it up, I really didn't expect it to be a slow slice of life about a hikikomori. I thought it was more like a loser guy getting dragged into some big conspiring organisation's misdoings. was wrong.

In the manga it is like that, drug addict, they didn't include it in the anime
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It depends on the ending you want to choose. Choose the one you like more. Like Evangelion, there are many different endings but only one is good. The other endings were unsatisfying and seemed ridiculous.

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