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MAL x Honeyfeed Entry: Simular Beings (need some help)

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Sep 28, 2022 1:10 PM
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Okay.

I’ll start this post off by saying this: I entered the MALxHoneyfeed Webnovel Contest 2022 around the beginning of last month. My story takes place in a cyberpunk world and is about a kid being born within a simulation. The premise boils down to him trying to figure out if he’s really human or not. Now, I don’t know if that super boring summary interested any of you, but I’m not really here to advertise.

Instead, I want feedback.

Sharing my writing was never my strong suit. I’ve always been scared of what people have to say, so I’ve always ended up trying to improve in the seclusion of my home. But at this point, I’d rather just bite the bullet. I want to improve, and writing alone isn’t helping me get any better. I want something more tangible—words of advice, anything.

I entered the contest to improve, but I can’t really do that without readers. I’ve had one or two dedicated readers, and I’m entirely grateful for them. However, one or two isn’t enough to tell me if my prose flows well, if my characters actually develop, or if I have terrible world-building skills. And I don’t want to bombard my new readers with all these questions either.

I hate asking random peeps to just check out my story, but I’m genuinely out of options on how to get better. It’s gotten to the point where I can’t even read other peoples’ works without rabidly scrutinizing and comparing every square inch of it to my own. Something somewhere is always wrong with my story; it’s just never good enough. I don’t even know what I’m doing right anymore.

Criticism, advice, thoughts and prayers… Whatever you can give, I’ll take. I don’t even care anymore. I just want to get better.

https://www.honeyfeed.fm/novels/9056

TLDR: Roast me!
Sep 29, 2022 5:45 PM
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A couple things:

1. I don't like your prologue. I actually think the first chapter opening is superior in more ways than one. It (the prologue) is not particularly engaging to read, there's already way too many novels that open with perfunctory advertisements, and your first chapter is a better mood setter.

2. You essentially give up the intrigue of the narrative four chapters in during Nectar of the Gods. I think zooming out to essentially telegraph to the reader the simulated reality and who the child actually is removes a lot of the elements that made the story interesting up till this point. Maybe had you done it halfway through the story I would've kept up with the existing narrative, but I actually think you fumble your reader's interest in your story by letting on too much too early. For reference, I read one more chapter and stopped there.

3. Your prose is okay. I wouldn't be too worried about your prose in a web serial like this because nobody is really asking you to be the next prose stylist. Are there things to improve? Of course (always). For instance, you rely on the Rule of Three way too often. Read the line in Chapter Year 2112 again that starts with "His mind started to race." You essentially in the next two sentences use a pair of sentences that have a simple sentence followed by a list of three distinct images.

You also follow the rest of the chapter with a lot of punctuated short sentences that I'm pretty sure is an attempt to emulate the short circuited thoughts of a newly formed human mind, but I think it lacks any real resonance or compelling thoughts. You could ostensibly drop some of the simulated reality language concerning Simular but write the same scene from the perspective of an orphan or street urchin. I think that lack of uniqueness hurts you in a story that's trying to spin something new.

4. To respond to your methods on how to get better, I think reading more without feeling the compulsive need to compare the writing to yourself is probably a good next step. Something like Permutation City (or any novel by Greg Egan) would probably be good perspective on the treatment of simulated digital beings and the philosophical, scientific, and moral questions concerning them.
Sep 29, 2022 9:57 PM
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Yudina said:
A couple things:

1. I don't like your prologue. I actually think the first chapter opening is superior in more ways than one. It (the prologue) is not particularly engaging to read, there's already way too many novels that open with perfunctory advertisements, and your first chapter is a better mood setter.

2. You essentially give up the intrigue of the narrative four chapters in during Nectar of the Gods. I think zooming out to essentially telegraph to the reader the simulated reality and who the child actually is removes a lot of the elements that made the story interesting up till this point. Maybe had you done it halfway through the story I would've kept up with the existing narrative, but I actually think you fumble your reader's interest in your story by letting on too much too early. For reference, I read one more chapter and stopped there.

3. Your prose is okay. I wouldn't be too worried about your prose in a web serial like this because nobody is really asking you to be the next prose stylist. Are there things to improve? Of course (always). For instance, you rely on the Rule of Three way too often. Read the line in Chapter Year 2112 again that starts with "His mind started to race." You essentially in the next two sentences use a pair of sentences that have a simple sentence followed by a list of three distinct images.

You also follow the rest of the chapter with a lot of punctuated short sentences that I'm pretty sure is an attempt to emulate the short circuited thoughts of a newly formed human mind, but I think it lacks any real resonance or compelling thoughts. You could ostensibly drop some of the simulated reality language concerning Simular but write the same scene from the perspective of an orphan or street urchin. I think that lack of uniqueness hurts you in a story that's trying to spin something new.

4. To respond to your methods on how to get better, I think reading more without feeling the compulsive need to compare the writing to yourself is probably a good next step. Something like Permutation City (or any novel by Greg Egan) would probably be good perspective on the treatment of simulated digital beings and the philosophical, scientific, and moral questions concerning them.

I do agree with your first point. I believe I jumped the gun in trying to do something weird.

And the second point too. I see it. I've noticed it before, but getting affirmation tells me that I really do need to work on being a little more subtle. I think I tried to rush things a bit too much, and because of that, a lot of things got scrambled up during the process. Perhaps I could either incorporate the reveal into the beginning more or just push it back further like you've suggested. Either have the mystery drawn out or get rid of it completely so that the readers don't focus on that as the main interest. I don't want to completely take out that specific scene/POV from the story, but I see your point in that the mystery of the child is completely lost after that chapter. (I'll have to go think about all this some more.)

Now onto your third point:

I never noticed I was writing in such a specific way. I just like writing short, staccato sentences. But yes. I could do away with a lot of the simulated stuff or spin it in a more personalized way for that unique character flair. I still need to work on characterization more. Whatever the case is, I will take note of all this. (And I do know prose isn't really that important, but I like to focus on that since I write a lot of poetry. It's kind of a habit nowadays. Just kinda makes my skin tingle when I read really good prose.)

And the fourth point is an obvious one of course. I'm still trying my best to dissociate when I read others' works. I do appreciate the recommendation though, and I will take a look at Greg Egan's works.

Overall, I very much appreciate this response. Some of these points were quite insightful. And some others, I already seem to have subconsciously noticed. However, somebody else confirming it helps me ground myself so that I know what to work on next.

Thank you! These were all very helpful!
YooniplopSep 29, 2022 10:20 PM

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