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Apr 12, 2022 12:49 AM

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charlie_sv

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True, it's a bit underappreciated nowadays but a hidden gem for those who know.

Apr 12, 2022 1:07 AM

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Aki____

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Oh no not this anime I really dislike it, for me it just a disrespect toward real hikikomori

Apr 12, 2022 2:03 AM

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Akiradiarra said:
Oh no not this anime I really dislike it, for me it just a disrespect toward real hikikomori

Ohhh are you offended😵‍💫🥺 Poor lil guy😔

Apr 12, 2022 2:42 AM

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Delalata

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Akiradiarra said:
Oh no not this anime I really dislike it, for me it just a disrespect toward real hikikomori

why do you say that?
I'm not trying to hate on your comment, I'm just curious

Apr 12, 2022 3:00 AM

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Akiradiarra said:
Oh no not this anime I really dislike it, for me it just a disrespect toward real hikikomori

I think the idea is really to put the hikikomori situation as something bad, not romanticize the situation, the hikikomori situation is not something pretty, or something worthy of praise, and the idea of the anime is to show that.

Apr 12, 2022 4:01 AM

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I think that it is horribly reductive in its criticism of social withdrawal, attributing it to childishness or psychosis in the subjects rather than hold accountable—to any degree—the barely hospitable and deeply unwell society (deaths of despair are rising every year) that is oftentimes the one to reject them. It also ironically (and somewhat hypocritically) uses the same unrealistic dream girl as the main character’s primary motivation to change that it earlier makes fun of him for using as escapist fantasy. The show was an out-of-touch scorning of a serious social issue that it wasn’t intelligent enough to fully comprehend.

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Apr 12, 2022 5:16 AM

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Miserabilist said:
I think that it is horribly reductive in its criticism of social withdrawal, attributing it to childishness or psychosis in the subjects rather than hold accountable—to any degree—the barely hospitable and deeply unwell society (deaths of despair are rising every year) that is oftentimes the one to reject them. It also ironically (and somewhat hypocritically) uses the same unrealistic dream girl as the main character’s primary motivation to change that it earlier makes fun of him for using as escapist fantasy. The show was an out-of-touch scorning of a serious social issue that it wasn’t intelligent enough to fully comprehend.

Yeah, I had pretty much the same issue with it. The show didn't try to approach (not an intended JoJo's reference) this whole hikkikomori thing seriously or at least didn't do a very good job of it. The way they tried to portray this came out as either childish or exaggerated. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the show.

Apr 12, 2022 7:38 AM

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great characters unique and great storyline , a good animation .
this anime shows a big problem nowdays of not finding a job , especially after corona strike.

Apr 12, 2022 11:58 AM

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This show has impacted me in so many ways... it’s not for everyone but I think it’s amazing

Apr 12, 2022 1:27 PM

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Calling it just wonderful is almost an insult

Apr 12, 2022 4:08 PM

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i recommend the novel as well, its rlly good

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Apr 12, 2022 4:10 PM

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Akiradiarra said:
Oh no not this anime I really dislike it, for me it just a disrespect toward real hikikomori

Disrespect? Of course it is, this shows calls out the hikikimori lifestyle as being negative and pathetic whilst allowing the audience to empathize with the protagonist at the same time. it is brilliant and factual

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Apr 12, 2022 4:15 PM

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Miserabilist said:
I think that it is horribly reductive in its criticism of social withdrawal, attributing it to childishness or psychosis in the subjects rather than hold accountable—to any degree—the barely hospitable and deeply unwell society (deaths of despair are rising every year) that is oftentimes the one to reject them. It also ironically (and somewhat hypocritically) uses the same unrealistic dream girl as the main character’s primary motivation to change that it earlier makes fun of him for using as escapist fantasy. The show was an out-of-touch scorning of a serious social issue that it wasn’t intelligent enough to fully comprehend.

Even though Sato's main reasoning for becoming hikikimori are externally-driven? He is hikikimori as a result of society driving him to a lonely, reclusive existence. Nevertheless, it is important for shut-ins to grow and rise past their problems, regardless of whose fault it is that they are in that situation. Also, the statement that Sato only changes because of the introduction of a "dream girl" is completely false

In the *very first episode* Sato makes the decision to change his life and get a job. All developments after meeting Misaki and his old friend from school are purely regressive in nature. By the time Sato gets addicted to a video game, Misaki remarks that he has become worse then when she found him.The main theme of the show is anti-escapism, its trying to tell the audience not to wait and hope someone saves them, but rather change their life for themselves.

The novel goes more into detail with this by showing how Sato's mental state crumbles after spending his time doing drugs with his friend, who reaffirms his behavior.

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Apr 12, 2022 7:12 PM

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Emerardo said:

Miserabilist said:
I think that it is horribly reductive in its criticism of social withdrawal, attributing it to childishness or psychosis in the subjects rather than hold accountable—to any degree—the barely hospitable and deeply unwell society (deaths of despair are rising every year) that is oftentimes the one to reject them. It also ironically (and somewhat hypocritically) uses the same unrealistic dream girl as the main character’s primary motivation to change that it earlier makes fun of him for using as escapist fantasy. The show was an out-of-touch scorning of a serious social issue that it wasn’t intelligent enough to fully comprehend.

Even though Sato's main reasoning for becoming hikikimori are externally-driven? He is hikikimori as a result of society driving him to a lonely, reclusive existence. Nevertheless, it is important for shut-ins to grow and rise past their problems, regardless of whose fault it is that they are in that situation. Also, the statement that Sato only changes because of the introduction of a "dream girl" is completely false

In the *very first episode* Sato makes the decision to change his life and get a job. All developments after meeting Misaki and his old friend from school are purely regressive in nature. By the time Sato gets addicted to a video game, Misaki remarks that he has become worse then when she found him.The main theme of the show is anti-escapism, its trying to tell the audience not to wait and hope someone saves them, but rather change their life for themselves.

The novel goes more into detail with this by showing how Sato's mental state crumbles after spending his time doing drugs with his friend, who reaffirms his behavior.

If memory serves right, the protagonist has a handful of negative experiences with people, begins having panic attacks, withdraws from society, and from then on suffers from delusions and anxiety in public, which would be indicative of a mental illness. Hikikomori is an interesting phenomenon specifically because its cause is not definitively related to mental illness. Even if it were, it would be a meteoric rise in cases obviously brought about by civilizational changes, and not to be expected to be solved by those afflicted themselves through rugged individualism.

Society driving someone to social withdrawal is not to be conflated with individuals doing so, such as in the instance of bullying—unless that bullying is incessant and resulting from a greater societal expectation or status quo. An instance of society rejecting someone might be the denial of one or more opportunities due to the subject being atypical in an irrelevant way, or an impossibly (for the subject, at least) competitive job market due to overpopulation or mass immigration.

The entire premise is a strawman that mischaracterizes those afflicted and fails to address the real problem, which is the unfulfilling and crushing nature of modern Japanese society. It doesn’t even provide much substantive insight into the issue as it chooses to framework it, beyond Your lifestyle is a matter of convenience, and you need to tolerate and participate in society rather than hope to change or escape from it. To add insult to injury, the show mocks the protagonist—and by extension hikikomoris—for having grievances with society as being psychotic conspiracies and/or desperate blame-shifting. It even ridicules them in the ending credits as needing to grow up.

As for the girl, she may not be the initial reason for his hope to change, but she is one of, if not the main driving force behind his desire to do so for much of the series, although he keeps relapsing until turning completely broke, if I remember correctly. My statement was therefore not wholly wrong. Regardless, even just her existence and role in the story is nonetheless ironic. The show is even expressly aware of this, drawing at one point a parallel between her and an anime/dating sim trope.

Honestly, End Of Evangelion said everything this series tried to in a much more profound and sympathetic way, and probably did more for hikikomoris as a result.

Apr 12, 2022 7:19 PM

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Wow, you guys are patient.

Apr 12, 2022 7:20 PM

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This anime needs more love

Apr 12, 2022 7:28 PM

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Akiradiarra said:
Oh no not this anime I really dislike it, for me it just a disrespect toward real hikikomori

disrespect towards real hikikomori? idk watching this anime would probably make a hikikomori think back on his life and actually try to get out of their situation if it’s enough inspirational they won’t get offended by an anime.

Apr 13, 2022 12:39 AM

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You guys angry about the show’s portrayal of the hikikomori issue aren’t remembering the show properly at all because Satou’s “hikikomori-ism” WASN’T prompted by anything, it just slowly crept up on him and hit him one day. It takes the issue quite “respectably”, he’s not scarred from a past experience, he’s not addicted to anime or games (he’s not even a FAN of either until after the fact when others TEMPORARILY drag him into their interests), he’s just scared, lonely and isolated and stays that way, and until the end of the show there’s no true need for him to dig himself out of his mess (basic food and survival).

Yes, Misaki is a “savior girl” role (or rather she really isn’t but she at least tries to play the part), but I’d argue that she honestly didn’t have very much to do with Satou re-entering society at all.

Apr 14, 2022 9:43 AM

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Too many people here blaming the world for their lives. Yeah, society can really suck. We aren't one hundred percent culpable for everything that happens to us. But we are one hundred percent culpable for how we react to it. If you decide to hole up because society isn't nice to you, that's on you.

Apr 14, 2022 11:09 PM

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Absolutely. I put off watching the last 2 episodes because I didn't want it to end.
It's really relatable.

Apr 15, 2022 5:51 AM

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this is my favorite anime. watched 7 times, have the manga and novel, as well as a misaki figure :) it shows a real and accurate description of anxiety, depression, obsession, and hopelessness. 11/10 !!

Apr 18, 2022 9:23 AM

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Miserabilist said:
I think that it is horribly reductive in its criticism of social withdrawal, attributing it to childishness or psychosis in the subjects rather than hold accountable—to any degree—the barely hospitable and deeply unwell society (deaths of despair are rising every year) that is oftentimes the one to reject them. It also ironically (and somewhat hypocritically) uses the same unrealistic dream girl as the main character’s primary motivation to change that it earlier makes fun of him for using as escapist fantasy. The show was an out-of-touch scorning of a serious social issue that it wasn’t intelligent enough to fully comprehend.

bro your English is good as heck. I am not bring sarcastic.

May 6, 2022 12:21 AM

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Really wonderful. 10/10 . I am internet addict myself but completely loved it.

Jul 19, 2022 10:54 AM

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This animé is wonderful but painful in parts.

Simply amazing :3.

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