Another paradox.

Sep 27, 2009 3:25 PM

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Another paradox that's been bugging me were these situations.

Suzaku was known as being geassed by Lelouch to live. Then Light writes "Kururugi Suzaku" while thinking Suzaku's face in his Death Note. What will happen after 40 seconds? Will he die? Or will he escape from his death, and if yes, how?

Another example: Light writes in his notebook, that Rolo will kill a certain person and then dies after rescueing another person. Then after that he writes that Shirley finds the truth and will be killed by a certain person. As you know, Lelouch fails to geass Shirley to live. But what if it's only a coincidence that Shirley dies right after she found out the truth (this 40 seconds rule)? If Lelouch geasses Shirley (which didn't happen in the story) BEFORE the homicide in these 40 seconds or even before her name being in Death Note.

Or this: L was geassed to live on (didn't happen of course). Light ordered Rem as a self-sacrifice to kill L to protect Misa (what an effort). So is this sacrifice done for or it's worth?

So the main question is: Can you escape the death with Geass? Or can you kill geassed people? Of course I'm talking about Lelouch' Geass. I mean, e.g. Bismark's Geass to looking into the future can say when somebody dies but it can't make people invincible. Or Mao's Geass to read minds. Well L would need that so he has more chance to expose Light but it's improper to make this paradox.

Sep 28, 2009 6:53 AM

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Well, for the one about Suzaku, he will still live because he is immoratal and can live for ever like C2. The Death Note wouldn's have any affect upon him nor will it be able to manipulate him.

Sep 28, 2009 7:22 AM

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Well as you know, if you write something is Death Note that is impossible ( Like order someone to juggle two airplanes then trow them from New York to Moscow) that wouldn't happen, it will just be ignored, so possible it would happen with trying to kill Suzaku with Death Note. P.S. Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood Episode 25 is out, for people who are watching it :)

Oct 15, 2009 6:17 PM

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Uhm... even though Suzaku was being geassed to live, does that still mean that he's immortal?

I mean, remember when Shirley was being geassed to live, and she still died.

Unless of course, Suzaku had some sort of premonition that Light was going to write his name down, and then proceeded to kill Light before he finished writing down his name~

I mean, this is "wallzaku" we're talking about... kid does the impossible ^^;

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Oct 16, 2009 5:32 AM

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Well Shirley had already been Geassed so of course it wouldn't work and even if he could use it on her again, she was already half dead, so there must be some sort of 5 to 10 second rule about using Geass on someone who is already in the process of dieing.

Oct 23, 2009 9:03 PM

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First off, you're attempting to find a paradox by assuming that two worlds which are governed by different laws are one in the same. Secondly, I'm going to state facts which I thought were obvious, but clearly arn't, that will disprove anything you're trying to puzzle our minds with.

A geass command causes a person to do everything within their power to achieve the ordered end. If Suzaku is commanded to live, he will live to the best of his ability. However, if he is stripped naked and left a hundred miles from nowhere, alone, in subzero temperatures, he isn't going to live. He isn't immoral, his desires have merely been altered to force him to do everything within his power to live.

In your second paragraph you need to be more specific. There are too many variables for any real question to be posed. If you mean "Rolo will kill Shirley then die after rescuing Lelouch" then say that. Ask questions with more than one variable, because if a question has 3 variables, each having 1000 possible factors, then your number of total answers are 1000^3 or rather 1,000,000,000 possible answers.
But to answer what I can, we already know that if someone dies before their written time in the death note, then the death note has no effect. It is used to (directly) shorten a person's life. The only way it can be used to lengthen a life is indirectly (misa amani).
Lelouch DID Geass Shirley prior to the homocide, if you recall. It was about 25 episodes prior, and one of the basic rule's of Lelouch's geass is that it can only be used on a person one. Memory altering doesn't have any effect on this effect.

Your third point... Again, geassing someone to live doesn't make them immortal. It changes their will. In this case, it gives them the will to live. Thus, they do everything in their power to live. So, why wouldn't the sacrifice take place? If Rem (an entity completely unknown to L) writes L's real name in it's Death Note, why WOULDN'T he die?

Your final question: Why the fuck COULDN'T you kill a geassed person? Telling someone to live doesn't grant them immortality. Bismark's geass allows him to see into the the future, it doesn't allow him to look into the future. The main difference being that he can see what is going to happen shortly ahead of time, it doesn't allow him to look 15 years into the future to see whats going to happen. Otherwise, he wouldn't have lost to Kururugi because he would have known the Albian's specs and have abstained from battle in the first place.

This partial-quote from Billy Madison pretty much sums up my feelings towards you:
"Mr. Mariejoanna, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Oct 24, 2009 8:19 AM

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Solely harsh words from something that isn't at all important. Though it does make you part of the "dumb" group by posting to such things. It is crucial not to explain into such great details on a topic that can not be proving right or wrong.

Nov 11, 2009 7:34 AM

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Suzaku IS NOT IMMORTAL BECAUSE OF LELLOUCHES GEASS!!!

He was just condition to, if he could help it, not die. He will jump out of teh way of a truck for instance, but he cant stop dieing if you shoot a bullet through his head.

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Jan 2, 2010 9:49 AM

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1st: Lelouch's geass for suzaku means "live on", not "don't die", so suzaku will eventually die from something.
2nd: "Will Suzaku die if you write his name in Death Note"? It depends... If Suzaku is aware is aware of threat (someone standing in front of him and shooting suzaku with machine gun XD) he'll somehow manage to evade bullets. but he is not aware of threat (atomic bomb or falling from great height or anything similar) he won't be able to survive.

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