| I guess there is no reason and sense to write the post in VNese in this case. In MAL, this club is the only one for VNese or those who are interested so far, os this topic seems to be a must. So let's end the introduction here :) (likely it will be modified in the future, as of now, it is messy and blunt) Let's start. From my point of view, Vietnamese can be quite easy to learn if you are known with one of Eastern Asian languages, otherwise, you may have troubles. But let's think for a moment, is it really easy to learn any language ;) The alphabet of Vietnamese language is Latin-based which is great plus, but there is something called tone. It is the cause of difficulty with spelling. To make long story short, other aspects like grammar, dictionary, writing is much less troublesome once you have a fair command over spelling. In order no to confuse readers anymore, check Wiki article on your own: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_language Here are the links for web pages for learning Vietnamese (the list will grow gradually), the more detailed review for each of them will come later on. As of current update, I will post only guides based on English, for other languages please wait for future updates. Additionally, some of the web pages just contains information/tips on learning the language. Lastly, anyone can propose new websites or write a review (short or long, neither matters) - of course, the proper credit will be given. http://www.public.asu.edu/~ickpl/vnonline/index.htm (with instructors/teacher only) http://www.seasite.niu.edu/vietnamese/VNMainpage/vietsite/vietsite.htm http://www.seasite.niu.edu/vietnamese/VNTravel/7days_introduction.htm http://www.seasite.niu.edu/vietnamese/vnlanguage/supportns/tableofcontent.htm (one may have problem with viewing - since the website font is weird) http://www.vnisoft.com/ehtv/indexe.html (kinda for kids, but you know) http://ngonnguhoc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=20 http://www.unesco-cep.org.vn/tieng-viet-cho-nguoi-nuoc-ngoai/bai-hoc/bai-hoc-tieng-viet-cho-nguoi-nuoc-ngoai.html http://www.mylanguageexchange.com/Learn/vietnamese.asp (for fees) http://www.transparent.com/languagepages/vietnamese/vietnamese.htm (software) http://www.digitaldialects.com/Vietnamese.htm http://www.hanoilanguagetours.com/ (language tour) http://www.geocities.com/learningvietnamese/ http://www.vietnamadventures.com/language_culture/language.html http://www.vnisoft.com/english/broehtv.htm (software) http://www.activetravelvietnam.com/traveltips/learn_vietnamese.html http://english.vietnamnet.vn/learnvn/ http://www.phrasebase.com/english/learn/vietnamese.php http://www.pimsleurapproach.com/learn-vietnamese.asp http://www.byki.com/fls/FLS.html http://www.italki.com/learn-Vietnamese.htm http://www.livinginvietnam.com/vietnamese/learn_vietnamese.htm http://www.maps2anywhere.com/Languages/Vietnamese_language_course.htm Below is the list of dictionary web pages: http://tratu.baamboo.com/ http://www.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~duc/Dict/ http://vdict.com/ http://dictionary.bachkhoatoanthu.gov.vn/ (only VNese-VNese) List of good books/audiobooks to learn Vietnamese: (coming soon...) If any link is down, please let me know. Any discussion is welcome here. Since most people in the club are VNese so feel free to ask anything. Good luck! |
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Pronunciation and all those ¨^´` surrounding the letters is what I believe to be the most troubling part in learning Vietnamese Dont worry :)), those things are just the basics, once you learned that, you can read all the words, the grammar isnt too difficult also. But the most troublesome part is vocabulary :)), there are many words with the same meaning, different from the north to the south VN. And i think the hardest ones are the Han-Viet words, which are mostly used in writing, so its not that you have to learn all those except you want to be a poet =), but they make your writing style though Oh, and there are others writing styles like the net one and the 9x one [used by 9x kids =))] which i suggest you not to let them into your head for now =) [except the 9x style, NEVER learn that thing =))] |
| Well, base on the word "toi" u said, there are these: "tôi" means "I", "tối" means dark, "tội" means guilty, "toi" means die or s.t like that =), "tồi" means bad, "tỏi" means garlic. Its not that hard :)), the meaning and the pronuciation are just depended on the " '`?~.", pretty easy to learn, the important part is to remember the meaning :)), but when you speak with vns u dont have to pronounce exactly, just dont say s.t so different :)) And about the Vns names, most of them are Han-Viet words, usually parents like to have some meaning, so most of the names have 1, and u have to read your full name to understand the meaning. But some times its just the last name and 1 more word for the first name (usually popular first names). "Nguyễn Nam" for example =D, it doesnt have any meaning :)) Ah, and here are some 9x for u =)) http://images.google.com.vn/images?hl=vi&um=1&q=%22anti+9x%22&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=21 There isnt a post about these kids in english, so u cant fully understand about them, but i think the images are enough =)), and make sure its "google.com.vn" |
Asakura90Apr 29, 2009 2:37 PM
| I agree with a point of view about names with Asakura - it is quite often to meet the cases when multiple people have the same name. Each name (most times no need to include surname) has its own meaning, but it is quite limited unlike Chinese or other Eastern-Asian languages since Vietnamese alphabet is Latin-based. I kinda disagree with the point of vocabulary since I think the same problem exists in every language, especially where there are multiple ethnicities/nations. For me, it is kinda normal to see the communication problem between Vietnamese people living in different lingual areas (basically, there are 3: northern, central & southern - that is not including local languages). While normally I don't have a problem talking to person speaking 'southern Vietnamese', but it is really trouble to communicate with 'central Vietnamese'-speaking person =)) As Asakura mentions, most of word normally will have a singular popular meaning - of course, there are indirect meanings, too :D Surely, pronunciation is tough for foreigners since there is no such thing in Western languages ;) If there is any difficulty with vocabulary, it is more about the choice of words since dependent on the age, status, etc. of the person and the situation, you need to use different choice of words. This concept is certainly much tougher in comparison with Western languages, it happens due to local tradition I guess just like other Asian countries :) |
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| Han Viet is everywhere ;)) >>>Is it a BIG difference in choice of words when talking to people depening on status, age and so on <<< Yes, you can make a fight if you call a elder is "thằng" but it's ok to younger :)). And the word "you" has more than ten equivalent words in Vietnamese. >>>I thought it was pretty hard to know how to greet someone since it seemed like I had to address everyone differently, when I thought I knew how to greet to someone, they came up with yet another title. But it should be easy to know once I learn it properly <<<It has a rule, not so different from English. Like "younger uncle" = "chú" and "older uncle" = bác :)), uncle can also mean "Cậu" and "Aunt" has plenty of equivalent words too. >>>Is really the communication between north, central and south Vietnam that troublesome? One may think that the language differences in one country wouldn't be that big. I've only been to the northern part of Vietnam, Hanoi and the smaller surrounding cities to be more specific, where most of my relatives lives. <<<Not so important. Hope you can understand what I'm trying to say since my English writing is bad :)) |
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| I agree with thuyquai. Just to add few more specifics. Han-Viet words are basically words borrowed from Chinese language, which means that those words have similar meanings to their counterparts in Chinese, but it nothing hard or complicated since anyone has to learn vocabulary, anyway ;) It is just another fact that one should know about VNese language. About choice of words and greeting - likely if you are not local, the local people will not care when you make mistakes. Nevertheless, there are certain restrictions, but they are only important when you are at pretty good level. OK, not gonna talk more since it only makes things more confusing ;) About regional difference, the troublesome part is accent, sometimes it is incredibly hard to catch the words/phrases. Yeah, almost all the times when people from different areas talk to each other, we tend to use the vocabulary of standard government (i.e. the Northern) language. You should worry about it since it is likely "once in a blue moon" problem for you :) Tidusover, the mysteries will grow more and more once you are going to learn the language for full 100%. I guess it is the same with every language - each one has its own extrema :D |
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| I think its so popular that sometimes we think its pure vietnamese. And I actually know someone whose last name is Tiền, but if its his first name, then its really awkward :)), Tiên or Tiến are more popular. And btw, "tiền" in Han-Viet also means "front" =) |
| Well, let say dont' treat Han-Viet as something special. Just Vietnamese words like the rest. When I see foreigner speak Vietnamese in TV, their weakest point is the differient of "dấu từ" like Tiền, Tiên, Tiến, Tiển, Tiện, Tiễn, they can't say it true ;)) |
thuyquaiMay 9, 2009 10:11 PM
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| haha this just reminds me of my friend tra-my from chua that refused to read it correctly cuz it took too much time so she just said it the way it looks. -_________- but i get what you mean with the signs.. take ca for example. but i guess you just have to memorize them and remember |
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| I live in France, and I learned vietnamese at school for 5 years but I don't practice it a lot. My boyfriend is french. Even with my brother and my sister, we made a habit to speak in french. ^^"" My mum is vietnamese but we generally speak in french too, I know that I should speak vietnamese to her but I'm lazy xD. |
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| It's not difficult to speak Vietnamese, if you practice. I can switch between English, French, German and Vietnamese in no time. It's just the thing to practice to switch between languages. |
| practice does wonders. calilia, I understand ur circumstances quite well, it is always like that for kids/teens born or living away from VN for a long time. and parents do not encourage the kids to learn VNese either - mostly because they do not want the kids to return to VN, either *_* it is up to you whether you want to learn VNese for good, but if you plan so I think you will need to take it seriously. no shortcuts for such matter ^_* Nekro-Nin: actually, switching is that much a factor. one can easily swtich between few languages if he/she uses it on regular basis. i know this fact myself. because I used to know Russian very well in the past, but now I find it difficult to speak Russiian while still having fluent listening & reading skills. yeah, your language skills diminish if you do not it often. good thing is that you can fast regain it if you use them regularly back :-) |
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