Attack on Titan
| If anyone's seen or heard the recent Trash Taste episode ft Hasan Piker, you'll have heard of Hasan's spicy take that AoT is, as he calls it, a "flesh mecha". What are everyone's opinions on this? Personally, after hearing his argument I have to say I agree. |
| No, Shingeki no Kyojin isn't and it will never be a mecha. |
| Attack on Titan never was a mecha series to begin with, its more of a kaiju rather than mecha. |
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Ionliosite2 said: Are you sure about that I mean it is a bunch of humans fighting each other inside bioorganic robotsNo, Shingeki no Kyojin isn't and it will never be a mecha. Artifiyings said: How? There's no kaiju involved, just a bunch of bioorganic robots being piloted by humans.Attack on Titan never was a mecha series to begin with, its more of a kaiju rather than mecha. |
| There are no robots in Shingeki no Kyojin at all, the Titans are literally no robots in any sense of the word. |
Ionliosite2 said: well they arent autonomous so I suppose they can't be called robots but in that sense neither can Gundams, but like Gundams, Titans are mobile suits, they just happen to be organic mobile suits just like Evangelions. So I'll rephrase my initial statement Attack on Titan is a show about humans fighting each other while using bioorganic mobile suits, therefore, it is a Mecha, on top of that it also has themes about politics and war, which are prevalent Mecha themes.There are no robots in Shingeki no Kyojin at all, the Titans are literally no robots in any sense of the word. |
| Mechas are big ass robots. Titans are only 50% of that equation and not the 50% that matters, so no. You might as well be asking if shows like DBZ are magical girl shows because both feature transformations. Makes about as much sense. |
FanofActionApr 5, 2023 7:13 PM
FanofAction said: Technically mechas aren't robots as they require a pilot. They are big ass machines that have pilots, Titans just happen to be big ass bio-organic machines that have pilots. so still a mecha.Mechas are big ass robots. Titans are only 50% of that equation and not the 50% that matters, so no. |
| Anything is anything if you word or bend it the right way. Personally I don't see it, but I don't care if you think that. It's like the age old question, "is a hotdog a sandwich?" Some say it's not because it does not follow the "rules" of a regular sandwich. Some, however, do because it has a similar structure and see the hotdog as the exception, not the rule. We give words their meaning, so that means that we can change what they mean whenever and however we please. So yes, AOT is a mecha and is not at the same time. It's all about how you look at it. Edit: Also this post is definitely not satire. This is 100% serious. |
FrebbyApr 5, 2023 7:22 PM
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struggler_sensei said: Semantics aside, you know what I meant. The point is, they aren't made of flesh.This is like arguing cyborgs and androids are the same thing, when despite some similarities, they clearly aren't. FanofAction said: Technically mechas aren't robots as they require a pilot. They are big ass machines that have pilots, Titans just happen to be big ass bio-organic machines that have pilots. so still a mecha.Mechas are big ass robots. Titans are only 50% of that equation and not the 50% that matters, so no. |
| Yes, it is one of the worst mecha, but still is a mecha anime. |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Kafka, Fu Xuan, Jingliu, Topaz and Huohuo. |
Frebby said: most nuanced take on here kudosAnything is anything if you word or bend it the right way. Personally I don't see it, but I don't care if you think that. It's like the age old question, "is a hotdog a sandwich?" Some say it's not because it does not follow the "rules" of a regular sandwich. Some, however, do because it has a similar structure and see the hotdog as the exception, not the rule. We give words their meaning, so that means that we can change what they mean whenever and however we please. So yes, AOT is a mecha and is not at the same time. It's all about how you look at it. Edit: Also this post is definitely not satire. This is 100% serious. FanofAction said: if a requirement of mecha is that mechas cant be made out of flesh then Neon Genesis Evangelion wouldn't be considered a mecha, but it is, so then mechas can indeed be organic. struggler_sensei said: Semantics aside, you know what I meant. The point is, they aren't made of flesh.This is like arguing cyborgs and androids are the same thing, when despite some similarities, they clearly aren't. Technically mechas aren't robots as they require a pilot. They are big ass machines that have pilots, Titans just happen to be big ass bio-organic machines that have pilots. so still a mecha. Phosphophyllita said: based take.Yes, it is one of the worst mecha, but still is a mecha anime. |
| Flesh Mecha? Just because Titans are usually depicted as giants and are relatively bigger than a normal human doesn't make them mechs even if on the surface it seems like they are being piloted. The thing about "Attack on Titan" is it lacks the traditional lore of mechanical object known as mechs. The Titan transformation in "Attack on Titan" is more like a genetic mutation. Like suddenly having a new limb growing out of your body like a third arm. |
ColourWheelApr 5, 2023 7:43 PM
| It's more Supernatural than mecha. Mecha means only robots/machines and the titan isn't either at all. But they do have some sort of supernatural ability to transform into giant monsters/titans in this case, which does seem to share similarities since it does appear like they're riding inside and controlling them as if they are mechs. Also, there's the ODM gear which is probably more of the mech part than the titans themselves since they're actually machine-like weapons or more closely to it. This is why AoT is unique because it's not quite mecha but I could always see why before people would see it as such. Even I used to feel it was at first the first time I saw Eren inside a titan form and then going back to being human. |
ColourWheel said: That's not how the Titans work though, they are more like prehistoric symbiotic/parasitic organisms that pilots use to grow a giant flesh suit. This isn't that different compared to Eva which uses prehistoric alien organisms that humanity uses to grow giant flesh suits.Flesh Mecha? Just because Titans are usually depicted as giants and are relatively bigger than a normal human doesn't make them mechs even if on the surface it seems like they are being piloted. The thing about "Attack on Titan" is it lacks the traditional lore of mechanical object known as mechs. The Titans in "Attack on Titan" is more of a genetic mutation. Like suddenly having a new limb growing out of your body like a third arm. |
| @struggler_sensei Ok...fine...I'll give you that one. Those still LOOK like how a mecha normally would though. Not like giant naked dudes with their junk missing. Not that I would care if Eva wasn't considered a mecha... |
struggler_sensei said: Technically Eva is not a Mecha Anime because it breaks the traditional lore. Eva is just disguised as a Mecha Anime due to it's plot twist.ColourWheel said: That's not how the Titans work though, they are more like prehistoric symbiotic/parasitic organisms that pilots use to grow a giant flesh suit. This isn't that different compared to Eva which uses prehistoric alien organisms that humanity uses to grow giant flesh suits.Flesh Mecha? Just because Titans are usually depicted as giants and are relatively bigger than a normal human doesn't make them mechs even if on the surface it seems like they are being piloted. The thing about "Attack on Titan" is it lacks the traditional lore of mechanical object known as mechs. The Titans in "Attack on Titan" is more of a genetic mutation. Like suddenly having a new limb growing out of your body like a third arm. Not sure why Users keep referring to an outlier to the Mecha genre. Eva is no more a Mecha Anime than "The Guyver" or "Baoh the Visitor" or even "Zetman". |
ColourWheelApr 5, 2023 8:04 PM
FanofAction said: would you prefer if they didn't have their junk missing?@struggler_sensei Ok...fine...I'll give you that one. Those still LOOK like how a mecha normally would though. Not like giant naked dudes with their junk missing. Not that I would care if Eva wasn't considered a mecha... ColourWheel said: cmon now saying Eva isnt a mecha is an even more spicy take than struggler_sensei said: Technically Eva is not a Mecha Anime because it breaks the traditional lore. Eva is just disguised as a Mecha Anime due to it's plot twist. That's not how the Titans work though, they are more like prehistoric symbiotic/parasitic organisms that pilots use to grow a giant flesh suit. This isn't that different compared to Eva which uses prehistoric alien organisms that humanity uses to grow giant flesh suits. saying that AoT is a mecha. chronofantasy said: Mecha aint robots though, it's why astro boy ain't a mecha, mecha requires pilots, they aren't autonomous. And machines can be bio-organic like Titans are so the shoe still fits.It's more Supernatural than mecha. Mecha means only robots/machines and the titan isn't either at all. But they do have some sort of supernatural ability to transform into giant monsters/titans in this case, which does seem to share similarities since it does appear like they're riding inside and controlling them as if they are mechs. Also, there's the ODM gear which is probably more of the mech part than the titans themselves since they're actually machine-like weapons or more closely to it. This is why AoT is unique because it's not quite mecha but I could always see why before people would see it as such. Even I used to feel it was at first the first time I saw Eren inside a titan form and then going back to being human. |
struggler_sensei said: Like I say, Not sure why Users keep referring to an outlier to the Mecha genre. Eva is no more a Mecha Anime than "The Guyver" or "Baoh the Visitor" or even "Zetman".ColourWheel said: cmon now saying Eva isnt a mecha is an even more spicy take than Technically Eva is not a Mecha Anime because it breaks the traditional lore. Eva is just disguised as a Mecha Anime due to it's plot twist. saying that AoT is a mecha. It's also no more of a spicy take than someone calling SAO an isekai. |
struggler_sensei said: FanofAction said: would you prefer if they didn't have their junk missing?@struggler_sensei Ok...fine...I'll give you that one. Those still LOOK like how a mecha normally would though. Not like giant naked dudes with their junk missing. Not that I would care if Eva wasn't considered a mecha... ColourWheel said: cmon now saying Eva isnt a mecha is an even more spicy take than Technically Eva is not a Mecha Anime because it breaks the traditional lore. Eva is just disguised as a Mecha Anime due to it's plot twist. saying that AoT is a mecha. chronofantasy said: Mecha aint robots though, it's why astro boy ain't a mecha, mecha requires pilots, they aren't autonomous. And machines can be bio-organic like Titans are so the shoe still fits.It's more Supernatural than mecha. Mecha means only robots/machines and the titan isn't either at all. But they do have some sort of supernatural ability to transform into giant monsters/titans in this case, which does seem to share similarities since it does appear like they're riding inside and controlling them as if they are mechs. Also, there's the ODM gear which is probably more of the mech part than the titans themselves since they're actually machine-like weapons or more closely to it. This is why AoT is unique because it's not quite mecha but I could always see why before people would see it as such. Even I used to feel it was at first the first time I saw Eren inside a titan form and then going back to being human. Sorry, I thought I put large robots in there since we were talking about large entities-like with titans vs robots/machines. So I just wanted to clarify that bit. I know it's not just any old robot/machine, but the large ones being controlled. Even by definition, that's what you'll see it as well. As others said too, I never considered EVA as a mecha either when I watched it. I've seen plenty of mecha, and although I can see why some might think AoT is, it never exactly seemed that way to me, at least not in the traditional sense. But as I saw someone else say, I guess some can interpret it that way, maybe a new term/genre for it can be created to better label what it is. There's plenty of anime where people transform into monsters, sometimes huge ones, and they can turn back to a human and in a sense, they are controlling it, sometimes they can't control it like some of the titans too. I don't ever see anyone call these mechs within those anime, because most people have a clear view of exactly what a mech is and when they watch them, they just know it's a mecha anime. If it has to be questioned like in this topic, then it's probably not a mecha. |
| @struggler_sensei umm...no. Anyways, I hate to do this, but I'm gunna have to look this shiznite up now. Quote: In science fiction, mecha (Japanese: メカ, Hepburn: meka) or mechs are giant robots or machines controlled by people, typically depicted as humanoid walking vehicles. The term was first used in Japanese after shortening the English loanword 'mechanism' (メカニズム, mekanizumu) or 'mechanical' (メカニカル, mekanikaru), but the meaning in Japanese is more inclusive, and 'robot' (ロボット, robotto) or 'giant robot' is the narrower term. Did I just do what every teacher ever tells you not to, and pull this directly from wikipedia? Yes. But point still stands. This lines up with Titans not being mecha. |
| But AoT dive Deep into the fundamentals of war and human nature & provokes questions like Is genocide good? Why war is bad? Why wars happen? How do Humans react to complex catastrophic situations like rumbling? Can we teach humanity why war and racism is bad by committing genocide? Will humanity ever learn the lesson they deserve? Which side we should genocide to achieve world peace? Can exterminating 80℅ of the population solve overpopulation, resource wars, cycle of hatred.. Etc? Should we take revenge for our ancestors deaths that happened during world wars?  Is using child soldiers in war a good idea?  How do tribal people react when they eat a new type of food and visit towns and cities? How do geopolitics work? ........ Is there any mecha out there that dives this deep into the fundamentals of war and human nature 🤔? I don't think so. |
AyanokamisamaApr 6, 2023 11:42 PM
jjtyler17 said: I mean...I guess the series could technically be called that now since I'm pretty sure there were a few magical girl type characters in Super....If AoT is a mecha, then why not?FanofAction said: Mechas are big ass robots. Titans are only 50% of that equation and not the 50% that matters, so no. You might as well be asking if shows like DBZ are magical girl shows because both feature transformations. Makes about as much sense. Hold up can we please start calling Dragon Ball a magical girl anime? I love DBZ as much as the next person but pissing off the fans is so much fun and I feel like they’d lose it from this. |
FanofAction said: The irony here is I am pretty sure calling AoT a Mecha Anime would likely piss off all the AoT fans who hate the Mecha genre. loljjtyler17 said: I mean...I guess the series could technically be called that now since I'm pretty sure there were a few magical girl type characters in Super....If AoT is a mecha, then why not?Hold up can we please start calling Dragon Ball a magical girl anime? I love DBZ as much as the next person but pissing off the fans is so much fun and I feel like they’d lose it from this. |
Ionliosite2 said: so then we agree evengelion isn't mecha. No, Shingeki no Kyojin isn't and it will never be a mecha. a horse is not a car ergo a titan/eva isn't a mech. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| >spicy take That's the most vanilla take regarding attack on titan. Been around since the begining and a sizeable chunk of the fanbase agrees. |
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ColourWheel said: Hell, for all we know, thats the whole reason this thread was made...And if that were the case, as someone who likes both, I'd actually find it pretty funny. FanofAction said: The irony here is I am pretty sure calling AoT a Mecha Anime would likely piss off all the AoT fans who hate the Mecha genre. lolI mean...I guess the series could technically be called that now since I'm pretty sure there were a few magical girl type characters in Super....If AoT is a mecha, then why not? |
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