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Jan 4, 2023 10:22 PM
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I was thinking recently that each heroic spirit and their master seemed share common sin. Some more obvious than others though.

Lancer and El Melloi - Lust, Lancer fell in real life over love and El Melloi also got in troble because of that Sola Ui

Caster and Ryosuke - Gluttony, they do not eat much, but they show no moderation in what they do at all.

Berserker and Kariya - Envy, Karia wanted Tohsaka's wife and Lancelot Arthur's wife. That could be considered lust as well, but it is envy since they both coveted what was someone else's.

Rider and Waver - Greed. No need to elaborate much on Rider who even got himself the biggest body in reincarnation, but Waver wanted fame and everyone to acknowledge him.

Saber and Kiritsugi - Wrath, both believed they are doing the right thing and wanted to destroy what they deemed wrong.

Archer and Tohsaka - Pride, pretty simple. Both thoroughly convinced that they are better than everyone else there. Archer even betrayed and led to Tohsaka downfall for insulting his pride.

That leaves Kirei and Assassin with sloth.
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Jan 4, 2023 10:33 PM
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ThorLL said:
I was thinking recently that each heroic spirit and their master seemed share common sin.


It was already said so in the Fate Route. (Not necessarily sins , but set of mind.)
"Genius lives only one storey above madness."
– Arthur Schopenhauer.

"Stupidity is a talent for misconception."
– Edgar Allan Poe.

"I'm tired... & hungry."
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Jan 4, 2023 10:48 PM
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I mean, the master and the servant share an invisible bond. The Grail chooses a servant who best suits the owner's personality. Plus, there's also the concept of the Catalyst and all that, which was explained throughout the series for some reasons. So, yeah.

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Jan 5, 2023 4:43 AM
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That is pure conjecture. In fact, i might even call it sophistry. Given the thematic elements of fate it may sound plausible but you only bluster among the ignorant. 'Sin' is attribute ubiquitous in all creation and hence as i am sure you are aware yourself, can be attributed towards anyone or anything. Attribution does not make reality and in the case of Fate it surely does not as your flawed supposition fails to explain attribute for the the shifts in masters and of how servants of any class or rather ‘Sin’ can be summoned by anyone given they have a strong enough catalyst.
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Jan 5, 2023 6:36 AM
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Less so with Kirei, but Assassin is definitely sloth because they barely did anything
Jan 6, 2023 8:55 AM
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Squatch70 said:
Less so with Kirei, but Assassin is definitely sloth because they barely did anything

Yes, forget all the meticulous and punctilious arrangements made for that which amounted to barley anything and label the essence of diligence as sloth.
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Jan 7, 2023 6:38 AM
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Squatch70 said:
Less so with Kirei, but Assassin is definitely sloth because they barely did anything

Sloth can be not living up to potential or a lack of passion which is pretty much Kirei's arc. I feel like sloth can fit him here because he is doing the bare minimum in the war (what tohsaka and his father tell him) instead of doing what he really wants

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