 ~ Kaguya-hime no Monogatari ~ Synopsis "Okina is a bamboo cutter in ancient rural Japan. One day in the forest, he finds a tiny baby in the folds of a bamboo shoot. He brings the creature home to his wife Ounaa and they decide to keep her and raise her as a princess. She is clearly not of this world. Kaguya grows at an unnatural rate, soon maturing into an uncommonly beautiful young woman. Since Okina has now also found a cache of gold and treasure in the forest, every suitor wants Kaguya. But this is not a fairy tale of courtship and marriage." ______________________________________________________________________________ Warning This thread might contain spoilers from the the most recent aired episode. If you have not seen this anime and don't want it spoilers be careful. ______________________________________________________________________________ Check more Discussions on the Index |
HarusJun 17, 2016 5:08 PM
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| Its a good movie. |
| Remember guys, I AM NOT A PARAGON OF TASTE. I HAVE SHIT TASTE LIKE THE REST OF YOU. |
| I found this to be a beautiful, yet rather unsatisfying movie. The hand-drawn, watercolor artstyle was great and a nice fit for a tale such as this one. And the story, in the beginning at least, had me rather enthralled. But by the end I was left disappointed. I enjoyed watching Li'l Bamboo/Kaguya grow up and play and experience the world around her with her friends and adopted parents. Even as she was taken to live in a mansion, I was amused at her untameable spirit. Unfortunately, my praise ends there. From around the midpoint on, the movie seemed to sputter, stall out and die a slow and boring death. All that was left was to see Princess Kayuga (Li'l Bamboo) pouting and her father being blissfully ignorant of her unhappiness. Even the point when she realized where she came from was jarring and didn't flow well for me. I understand that the second half has a lot to do with cultural customs and family obligation and whatnot, but it was frustrating to watch. That entire section of the movie might have been worth it if there was a happier ending, but alas. The movie even implied that, even though she wouldn't remember her time on Earth when she went back to the Moon, Kaguya would long to go back. This doesn't make much sense to me either because she spent the vast majority of her time miserable and unhappy. Maybe if her father had realized his mistake and saw how unhappy she was, and then Kaguya got to spend her remaining time happily at home once again with her friends and Sutamaru, etc, then it would be more believable. Anyway, I'm glad I watched it overall. It was beautiful, if a bit disappointing. |
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| I also think it was a good movie. I found the art very beautiful, I loved the watercolour/ink(? I'm not sure what it was supposed to be since I'm not an artist myself) style, and it also fit the story. The story was fine, and since it was a folk tale or modelled after one, they probably didn't have that much freedom to change it a lot, so I have no complaints about how it progressed. I agree that the middle part was maybe a bit long compared to how "little" happened in it, but it still set a good atmosphere, I think. |
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| Wouldn't dare to give it anything less than a 10 after this: But seriously, I really did give it a 10. As I said before on the thread about Majo no Takkyuubin, Ghibli sometimes goes with these long portions of their movies that are basically uneventful, but to me they always make up for it with a lot of sensitivity, gorgeous art and great animation. This time was no exception and I dare say that, when talking about this specific topic, they did one of their finest works. The narrative was pretty much what I expected from a story based on a japanese folk tale and, seeing that I like slow paced movies, no problems for me in that department. It actually contributed a lot with the quieter parts, making me feel kind of uneasy, anticipating a bitter and lonely ending for Takenoko and her family. As for the busier bits - don't know if this word suits the overall bucolic atmosphere of the movie, but ok -, I think most of us will agree that they're just precious in all aspects. Art, animation, voice acting and music are all spot on. I wanted to ask you guys about two scenes: the one Kaguya runs away from her ceremony and the one where she meets grown up Sutemaru at the fields. In my opinion, since she's more of an entity than a person, those are real extracorporeal experiences rather than dreams. In situations of great stress and despair, she leaves her body to fulfill her innermost desires, being able to interact with her surroundings and even other people (don't know if in a physical level, though). What do you think? ::) Keishiro said: The movie even implied that, even though she wouldn't remember her time on Earth when she went back to the Moon, Kaguya would long to go back. This doesn't make much sense to me either because she spent the vast majority of her time miserable and unhappy. Maybe if her father had realized his mistake and saw how unhappy she was, and then Kaguya got to spend her remaining time happily at home once again with her friends and Sutamaru, etc, then it would be more believable. I don't think it's a question of believability. The movie doesn't try to grasp concrete emotions in that subject. Takenoko tells her mother about a being on the moon, from whom she learned the song that accompanies her throughout the entire movie. That being was the one longing to return to Earth and that longing rubbed off on her, even though it wasn't supposed to exist. She even talks about "breaking the rules" by longing to come to Earth and speculates that this as the reason why she was sent here, even though she doesn't elaborate much more. To me, the longing to come back is not because she would have memories of her time on Earth or anything as concrete as that. It would be a kind of angst caused by some sort of gut feeling, a feeling of loss that she wouldn't know how to explain. |
Kappa_PieApr 11, 2016 10:14 AM
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| I'll be honest here. I've seen a few Ghibli films, but I think The Tale of Princess Kaguya is my favorite one. The art style may be hand-drawn, but it was fluid. The music was good. And yes, the running scene was probably the best part in the movie because of how much emotion it conveys in that part of the story. Also, I really liked Kaguya's development and how it progressed as she got older. I knew about the story of Princess Kaguya, but I never saw the story the whole way through. All I did know was that it was inevitable that Kaguya had to return to the Moon. By how it ends, the movie gives a pretty good message in that money and wealth cannot guarantee happiness. The story is not too complex, has great art and character development, and the music is on point. I don't see anything wrong with it. Definitely a great watch. Now let's see if I can find a live-action version of the story... Keishiro said: The movie even implied that, even though she wouldn't remember her time on Earth when she went back to the Moon, Kaguya would long to go back. This doesn't make much sense to me either because she spent the vast majority of her time miserable and unhappy. Maybe if her father had realized his mistake and saw how unhappy she was, and then Kaguya got to spend her remaining time happily at home once again with her friends and Sutamaru, etc, then it would be more believable. That's what it means to be human. Not everything in life is rainbows and butterflies... |
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Tarotist said: That's what it means to be human. Not everything in life is rainbows and butterflies... I don't believe that being human means you have to spend the majority of your life miserable and unhappy. However, I do understand that life has it's ups and downs in varying degrees from person to person. I think I understand what the story was trying to get across, but I don't feel like it was done very well. I admit that it's a beautiful film and I am glad that I watched it, but it certainly didn't blow me away. If I'm missing something important and someone can explain it to me, then my feelings about it might change. Otherwise, I can't see myself giving this film more than a 6. |
KeishiroApr 11, 2016 3:22 PM
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| Wow so much hate x_X Seriously I enjoyed this movie a lot. The art/animation is amazing, breathtaking sometimes. I enjoyed every single aspect of this. Good songs like every Ghibli movies. I thought the begining a lilttle slow but then the movie found it's own pace and was enterntained. Ofc there are some weird things like the "dreams" *when she ran from home and when she reunites with Sutamaru and the end when she goes back to the Moon. I think the end was a little rushed but today reading about this tale everything became clear. In my opinion, since she's more of an entity than a person, those are real extracorporeal experiences rather than dreams. That's an interesting point @Kappa_Pie... I didn't realize this but I think you're right. As she discovered late she has some "powers", that could be situations where she used it?! Anw... I don't think it worths 10 because I wished the end wasn't so rushed like it was but and I think less than 8 is unfair. It's a very good tale, one of the best Ghibli movies I saw and all the other aspects are good for me. Fair score: 8.5, but since I'm a good girl and Mal won't let me scored like that, so 9 it is!!  |
| I also like what @Kappa_Pie said about "extracorporeal experiences rather than dreams." That rings true to me. Good call on that one. |
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| If it was, the guy would say or do something. He didnt, so its just a dream. And the whole thing is a folclore story, it makes no sense for extracorporeal stuff to happen. |
| Remember guys, I AM NOT A PARAGON OF TASTE. I HAVE SHIT TASTE LIKE THE REST OF YOU. |
Fellener said: If it was, the guy would say or do something. He didnt, so its just a dream. And the whole thing is a folclore story, it makes no sense for extracorporeal stuff to happen. I'm sorry, but I didn't quite get what you just said. What guy? Sutemaru? What do you think he would have done or said? Why doesn't it make sense for extracorporeal stuff to happen when she was born from a bamboo shoot, grew up almost instantly and was picked up from Earth by a parade of celestial beings? I have to completely disagree with you on that point. Folklore is usually all about mysticism, and out of the body experiences are pretty light stuff next to some of the folk stories we have in Brazil, as you probably know. Another point I think hints that it really wasn't just a dream is the fact that right before running away from her ceremony, she breaks a small bowl, and after waking up, she finds the same object broken. She falls asleep on her left side, while the broken bowl is on her right side, the same direction she ran off, carrying the shards and the rest of the bowl set. Also, I don't think there would be any point to showing her picking up a shard and looking at it somewhat confused if it wasn't meant to mean something. But I guess we'll just agree to disagree. ::) |
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| I'm feeling so lazy to read everything today... =l Well let me talk about the movie then ~ When I saw the art I thought it would be a problem.. like 2 hours + of that art ... didn't thought it would be good... well I was wrong , I really loved the art and I think it fitted the movie pretty well. The movie had a slow start but yet it was full of emotions all the time... like when Hime started to walk and her father started to call her to walk towards him.. The development was a bit different from the original tale (from what I read) still it was good ... I really liked how she handled the 5 nobles and even the emperor. Couple of things weren't clear though , like her "Dreams" , the first one when she rushes out of her mansion towards her previous house just to find out no one else was there, and the second one when she runs away with Sutemaru (that was married lol)... It's hard to tell it was 'just a dream' ... it was like manifestations of her will that never really happened , so it was a bit more than dreams I think. Also it was a bit rushed once she discovered her powers... the story pretty much ended with she returning to the moon ... that was a bit weird since it's pretty different from the rest of the show xD Still it's pretty faithful to the original story. 8.5 to me... that's a 9 because yeah, it was different enough ^^ |
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| So.. Only her experienced it. Saying extracorporeal stuff has the same validation as saying it was aliens or a prank by the iluminati. If it was her and the guy, the guy would prob do something.Butt he didnt do anything. So yeah... dreams. Your point for extracorporal stuff is that she breaks something, and the thing is still broken after she wakes up. ok. How about this, she accidentaly broke it and picks the object because she was scared of what she did and reflects on her situation, the broken object is a symbol for her choices? And she running away was just a visual representation os her overflowing feelings. Why you trying to overthink things. Its a simple folclore mythos. |
| Remember guys, I AM NOT A PARAGON OF TASTE. I HAVE SHIT TASTE LIKE THE REST OF YOU. |
Fellener said: So.. Only her experienced it. Saying extracorporeal stuff has the same validation as saying it was aliens or a prank by the iluminati. If it was her and the guy, the guy would prob do something.Butt he didnt do anything. So yeah... dreams. Your point for extracorporal stuff is that she breaks something, and the thing is still broken after she wakes up. ok. How about this, she accidentaly broke it and picks the object because she was scared of what she did and reflects on her situation, the broken object is a symbol for her choices? And she running away was just a visual representation os her overflowing feelings. Why you trying to overthink things. Its a simple folclore mythos. No, I never said that the point is that she breaks something. I said that this may be seen as a hint. And Sutemaru was affected. And I agree that her running away represents that, as I said a few posts before. I just don't think it's just symbolic as you say. Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree. ::) |
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| Here's the way I see it: If it was just a dream, then that would explain how *poof* Kayuga was suddenly back at the mansion. But Sutemaru was obviously affected by the event also (hence the married douchebag scene), so it can't just be a dream that Kayuga had. So let's say it was a shared dream. That would explain how Sutemaru could be affected also, certainly. However, as @Kappa_Pie pointed out, the film specifically shows us that the bowl is still broken. This leads me to believe that the so-called "dream" actually happened. Later, when we we actually see her powers she seemed to be able to ghost about unhindered by the physical world. It's logical to believe that this extracorporeal stuff is what she was subconsciously doing when she ran back to her old home and saw Sutemaru. It makes sense to me, so that's what I choose to believe. I'm with Kappa on this one. |
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