No said:
Should I bring my CV while I'm at it?

Clebardman said:


Yeah, and don't forget to clean your FB profile ;).

No said:
No one in my age uses FB

redrosefring said:
Like who? Lol. That doesn't even make sense.

redrosefring said:
I don't know what the heck you are now talking about or why the heck you are talking about it.
Now "science is not connected to theism" and "you don't want to understand the world," in the same post where you are talking about souls in heaven? Do you even understand your own self?

Dawkins said:
The musings aren't rational yet still in the bible.

They are out to get me. I'm not tolerating being bashed for having a different take on the bible. I've pointed out several contradictions in the bible that make it irrational, you and caelidesu can circlejerk each other with answers that don't answer the questions.

Because the onus is on you to explain why theism tops deism. The religion insists that we all sin and are born into sin, it's guilty.

He seems to do it on every other Islam thread so that's a lie right there.

My opinion was bashed from the start and I'm yet to see any logic to your beliefs. Apparantly you've got Christianity locked down. It should be easy to refute my claims, especially when I use bible verses.

Yes he's the way, not the son of god. I believe the only way for caelidesu to see the light is to acknowledge why Islam is the second biggest religion. It's important for him to look at Islam in particular because it is a different telling of Jesus.

I'm always searching for the answers unlike you.

Dawkins said:
Like scientists for one! All you do is post a sarcastic comment whenever a scientist finds fossils of one of our ancestors.

They're not tangents. You bashed my take on Christianity which is one reason I don't believe in creationism.

You claim to only believe in microevolution (which is also retarded. You may not be young earth creation stupid, but you are still being irrational) so you'll always be satisfied with not understanding the world. What are you expecting? Years of collecting transitional fossils to just vanish and everyone to accept the bible (not any other creation theory) as true. That'll just turn to circular reasoning.

Clebardman said:


Damn and I feel old around those 16 yo MALers :p

redrosefring said:
Firstly, how are they not rational?

redrosefring said:
Is that so? Name all those dozens of christians out to get you so that the mods will protect you and keep you safe.

redrosefring said:
What?
Where the hell does theism vs deism come into it?

redrosefring said:
What? What is a lie? What is it that he does? DO YOU NOT SEE THAT YOUR RESPONSE DOES NOT MATCH THE POST???

redrosefring said:
Gods are aliens that appeared in ancient Rome?

redrosefring said:
"I and the Father are One." "The Father sent me to give my life as ransom for many."
So now that we have established Jesus' position, how do you account for Muhammad's contradiction that he isn't the son of god? And that it's only by works you can be saved.

redrosefring said:
Who are the people on this forum I agreed with for simply disagreeing with atheists? Instead of evaluating a position on its own

redrosefring said:
Which was what? Quote your take on Christianity and quote the post I used to bash it.

Dawkins said:
I covered it to skeleturtle, see told you there's no tangents here. Why would our memories go yet our soul still be punished for sins on earth? It's why I don't beleive in hell. It's a useless musing to the actual doctrine in the bible. Therefore it shouldn't be in there.

You and caelidesu. You use fedora tipping and militant atheist the same way people use islamaphobia. Atheists shouldn't still be persecuted against today.

You wanted to know whether I was a deist or not.

You need to re-read my post. He thinks not all religions are equal. I said for him to understand religion he should debate Islam because he and you both seem to think they've been duped into an inconsistent religion. It's obviously not as simple as that is it. That's why you can see Muslims defend slanderous misinterpretations of the Quran he makes.

]They predate that obviously. You can't comprehend that cause you believe the bible.

Everyone was the son of god and one with god in the bible.

RedRoseFring said:
Technically, that's another common misconception that different religions or gods all have a concept of heaven.
There are those that say that humans are only meant to suffer on Earth forever, others go the reincarnation route, some go for fields of paradise under the Earth or a physical location on Earth, etc.
Some of the current depictions from some religions were also heavily influenced by the big ones, like Tengoku for Shintoism.

Heaven tends to be mainly a Abrahamic concept, then again it's usually those 3 that get conflated to represent religion as a whole.
You could OP's question to refer to the Judeo-Christian view.

Dawkins said:
My point to caelidesu which he still doesn't want to accept is that other religious beliefs aren't inconsistancies. They've pondered their beliefs and weighed the evidence just as much as you think you have.

Dawkins said:
I've read the bible and listed verses from it that state why I believe differently to you, like the eccelestaies verse that says we go straight back to the ash. I said what that means to me to skeleturtle and feel I defended my reasoning without going on a tangent. Caelidesu has made it clear he doesn't want to refute that and gone on his own tangent about verses from romans saying there's nothing new under the sun. That was trolling for sure.

Dawkins said:
Everyone who wiped the floor with you in the homo nabilis thread while you were off on a tangent about previous mistakes scientists have made.

I haven't been on a tangent, I've been true to my word and answering questions. When you first came in here however you said why do you talk to Dawkins it's like talking to a wall. I said good one considering you believe dinosaurs walked with humans. Evolution talks with you are like talking to a wall.

^^I wonder how anyone can still dare to try to argue with Dawkins seriously. It's like arguing with infinitely branching tangents that don't make sense.

You were also the first to start talking about martians. Where did that come from I can't even...

Your belief in god is a non sequitur, that's why you need to stay out of science threads.

Volti said:


Well, I don't believe all religions have the concept of heaven..
But many do which aren't Islam/ Judaism/ Christianity, and even some religions where people believe in reincarnation do have what is sometimes referred to as heaven, and those could also be appropriated to this situation.
You can also say that all of these religions could be completely wrong, or at least partially wrong, and the heaven I am confronted with could be entirely independent of any text I've read.
Confronted with a God like the one in the scenario I would assume that they inspired bits of most major religions, but aren't synonymous with any. Like in Bahá'í... but their understanding of heaven seems different from this one... so maybe not Bahá'í.

redrosefring said:
Solomon's statement had nothing to do with punishment for sins or even memories. You added incoherent nonsense to a simple verse for inexplicable reasons.

redrosefring said:
So where those theist come in? How does "are you a deist" translate to "RRF has to prove theism is over deism" for you?

redrosefring said:
They obviously aren't unless you conveniently want them to be.
So which part of that was me lying? You do realize you said I was lying but still haven't said about what.

redrosefring said:
You clearly don't understand English. If they disagreed with me, then they are clearly NOT people I agreed with for simply disagreeing with atheists.

redrosefring said:
The bolded is a tangent, and not just a tangent, it is also an assumption.

Dawkins said:
The verse says we return to ash. It doesn't matter whether it refered to punishment, gods plan stays the same for everyone. Stop changing the subject. Caelidesu has gone on his tangent about nothing new under the sun.

Dawkins said:
I think Christians should be persecuted kek.

I said caellidesu always enters Islam threads and cherry picks a random verse then leaves.

caelidesu said:
Ecclesiastes shows how meaningless life is deep down prior to Jesus, even in Solomon's eyes.

caelidesu said:
Bullshit. I've posted too many verses at a time before, but I've never picked them at random.

Dawkins said:
No because it says we return to dust and our souls return to god.

Dawkins said:
It wouldn't include that we return to god straight after if it was about life being pointless without Jesus.

Dawkins said:
No you

Clebardman said:


Damn and I feel old around those 16 yo MALers :p

RedRoseFring said:


Lol. Yeah, after spending half attacking the first people to point it out to you before the numbers made you realize you were wrong. Then you go on to talk of lack of comprehension? Hilarious!
You also suggest christians can't understand anything when you couldn't even understand race. The irony is too stronk!



More irony. I don't even........
shotz' sig is about one of your insults, and you use "retard" and throw insults more than just about anyone on the forums, and you expect people to think you are not mad?
Who exactly do you think you are fooling? Did you also forget that what you write on the Internet stays on the Internet? That people can go to any one of your threads like the race one and see your constant anger for themselves?

Why am I even surprised, you just referred to Dawkins as being rational just because he disagreed with someone you don't like. You're so salty, you'd give the Dead Sea a run for its money.



Sooooooooo, I take it you also believe there are Martians gallivanting on Mars and hiding from humans.
You couldn't dig yourself a deeper grave of ignorance if you thought a nationality was a race........oh wait.



Even more irony.
> Says he'd stick with Dawkins' logic and reason anyday
> Realizes that Dawkins miscontrued my statement which is almost basically all he does.
There's ample evidence in this thread alone. Did you even bother to read what he wrote before joining his bandwagon? I guess the enemy of my enemy is my friend no matter what nonsense he spews.



"Like I said to skeleturtle, our bodies return to the ash like animals and our memories go with it. Only then does our soul get raised to be judged. How do you think you're going to go to heaven if you already know what sin is? "

^Yes. That is just oozing with rationality. We can include that statement from Dawkins in the Museum of Rationality along with a pic of the Aliens guy.



Lol. I doubt shotz is a christian, or half the people in the race thread who were lampooning your "rationality."
If that's what you call "rationality" and think MAL agrees, boy do I have a surprise for you.

You also clearly have a beef with christians. You're a special snowflake that's smarter than the billions of christians in the world.........that's why you consider nationalities to be races. Comedy gold!


I'd argue you tend not to think too clearly at all........ever.
It's also funny that you think that's some kind of excuse for not thinking clearly.



I guess............except for the long reply you just gave to try and pose yourself as rational which also fell flat, or your countless appeals to your professors.

Yeah.......you clearly don't care that people realize you're not rational....

khunter said:

Lol, what's comedy gold, other than your religion obviously & Louis CK, is you keep bringing up how I think Irish is a race. I never said that in my original thread nor this one. If you could go & find a sentence that I said, saying "Irish is a race" or something close to that, I can do nothing but admit it, but even if I did say that, & changed how I thought because someone told me I was wrong, why would I keep believing it? I'm not a Christian after all. What you will find instead is that I say how people think of their background in "blood" terms, like "what's your nationality?" "American" "No, I mean by blood" "Oh, Irish". Even if my confusing wording, which was confusing, was interpreted as me thinking Irish is a race, I have never thought in my adult life.

So, when you do run your frantic little christian fingers across our computer, do try to focus on something else, because at this point, it would just be you telling me what I said without actually understanding the thread, my comments, as well as you not being inside my head when I wrote it, as that would truly be the only way to know if I was lying. I try not to lie on the internet, because I don't know any of you. There is no downside.

Dawkins could be saying some hilarious shit. Some real stupid shit.

I don't even know what denomination of christian you are. I wonder if you & caelidesu are the same subsect of religion?

I did go up and read some more though, as per your wonderful suggestion, & it just seems like dawkins is getting beat into the ground. He seems to be saying things that have no connection or contradict himself, but seeing as I'm biased towards dawkins, I will give him the benefit of the doubt, and at least suggest it sounds better in his head. Much like my singing.

You're incredibly knowledgeable when it comes to this redrose, so as to why dawkins is arguing the bible against you is beyond me. Pretty dumb to argue something he may only know 20% of, when you make it your goal to learn as much of it as possible, and by now, probably know 100% of it, or close, and understand it in your own perspective . I don't think arguing belief in god using the bible is any way to argue. That's just me. I have to remember to not do that, because it really doesn't make any sense for either side.

I will admit though, that I have been quite arrogant and ignorant in matters regarding bible arguments with you. You obviously know more than me on the bible so I apologize.

I still think your religion is retarded, because it is, but I don't even know if you're super religious or just believe in god, and my problem as an atheist or nihilist or whatever, is religion, not a belief in god. Believing in something other/greater than yourself is rational, and very very human. What's irrational is creating guidelines for it. Obviously to you, these guidelines are very real and must be followed.

RedRoseFring said:

Um........no. What's comedy gold is you trying to backtrack so hard from portraying nationalities to be races after exasperating most people on that thread. Everyone knew what you were trying to say, but because of your attitude they got hostile.

Then again, I appreciate that you admit to it. Someone like Dawkins though constantly changing whichever way never admits to anything and just keeps saying nonsense. It's impossible to deal with, and I'd rather wade through dozens of your insults (though they could be more creative.)
It was wise for you to ignore the quote of his I showed you (if you could even understand what he was saying. I know I hardly can), but encouraging him because he disagrees with me doesn't help either.


Seriously......your wording makes some responses too tempting to ignore. I'd go something like: "Yeah, I didn't understand the thread, just like you didn't understand what a race is."
Also, I never said you lied. I know you had a misunderstanding in trying to convey your thoughts, but it makes it hard to not rib you when you keep calling everyone else morons while not having a good track record yourself.
You may not want to listen to me, but flying with insults right off the bat does not make a conversation, and no one would be willing to take you seriously.


He is. There are many credible atheists on this site that convey their thoughts well (most of the time). Minisiets, traed, katsucats, spooks etc, but he is not one of them and you'll never see anyone encouraging it because though they may hate religion, christianity or whatever, they realize he's not coherent.


I'm non-denominational. I'm not sure about caelidesu. I think he may have told me before, but I forgot.


You can try to understand him, but I don't know of any who has succeeded, although caelidesu never seems to tire of trying.
And it's not the same as your situation because people realized what you were trying to say. Some attacked you because you were aggressive, and others joked about it, but this is MAL. Everyone jokes about everything from god to rape. It's natural.


I don't know everything and never claim to. When it comes to the bible, I just argue against people's misunderstandings.
Like I said, this is the Internet and you can see all my past posts. I don't make arguments using the bible to prove god unless someone else brings it up most of the time. There's no point when people will dismiss whatever I say simply because it is in the bible.


Apology accepted. I apologize too because I did insult you back.


That's fine. Again, this is the Internet. No one is convincing anyone of anything through forum debates. It's a pastime at most.

Dawkins said:
Like I said to skeleturtle, our bodies return to the ash like animals and our memories go with it. Only then does our soul get raised to be judged. How do you think you're going to go to heaven if you already know what sin is?

Plus read razors response to me. Our memories fade on death yet our soul is raised. What would be the purpose of hell to punish a soul that has no memory of good or bad they've commited? Can you make any sense from gods morality here?