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Jun 28, 2015 1:04 AM

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Where you get the Yukino's family Problem?
lol I dont know anything of them ._. I think Haruno calls Hayato Boring because of his facades he act innocent even tho he knew their feelings for him then 8man also acted like he dont know anything about Yuki's and Yui's feelings thats why She also called 8man Boring. Just my Opinion

Jun 28, 2015 1:07 AM

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The LN haven't reached that conclusion yet, everything is still in the dark mate.

Jun 28, 2015 1:09 AM

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Hayato did say his crush's name started with Y.
It could be Yumiko but Yukino's got a higher chance.

Jun 28, 2015 1:15 AM

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NeedHelp56 said:
Hayato likes Haruno

das tru m8
hayama tried 8man's social suicide to buy haruno's affection

Jun 28, 2015 1:18 AM

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Shironeko- said:
Hayato did say his crush's name started with Y.
It could be Yumiko but Yukino's got a higher chance.

It could be Yui or Yoshiteru

Jun 28, 2015 1:30 AM

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I don't know if you guys noticed it or not but at the end of ep 11 there were signs(?) that he might like Yukino. He was constantly looking at her while he was talking with Hachiman. Plus he claims that he's jealous of him, it could be partly cause the latter is closer to Yukino.

Jun 28, 2015 1:53 AM

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Shironeko- said:
I don't know if you guys noticed it or not but at the end of ep 11 there were signs(?) that he might like Yukino. He was constantly looking at her while he was talking with Hachiman. Plus he claims that he's jealous of him, it could be partly cause the latter is closer to Yukino.

Okay this what I thought.
He like Yukino But he cant admit it because theres a lot of girls will going to hurt we knew what Hayato is, right? He dont want to hurt anyone and thats how he shows of being a "Nice Guy" But Haruno can see through that Facades of him and Calls him Boring because he cant even Gamble and Sacrifice, Back then 8man Always used the risk and sacrifice, He hurt the Other and even himself for the greater good but for some reasons he changed and Haruno she finds that boring

Jun 28, 2015 3:12 AM

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I think it's highly likely that it's Yukino. Most of the hints were towards that.

Jun 28, 2015 6:01 AM

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it could be either one at this point and I hope this is going to get resolved (possibly alongside the family problem?)

things also somewhat point to yukinon once needing hayatos help and him basically letting her down

Jun 28, 2015 6:43 AM

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But, Hayama slipped his tongue and called Yukinoshita with "Yukino-chan" isn't enough to prove that he likes Yukino.

Jun 28, 2015 7:33 AM

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_Charl said:
But, Hayama slipped his tongue and called Yukinoshita with "Yukino-chan" isn't enough to prove that he likes Yukino.

Actually no. That's like their childhood names.

Here is a great twist that seems like not a lot of people will notice though.
Maybe Hayama Hayato acutally LIKES Yuigahama Yui?

Okay, so we all know that Hayama LOVES to keep the status quo. We have seen this with Tobe and Hina. Hayama is not one to show his feelings because if he does, it changes the whole feel. Especially since Hayama knows Yumiko likes him. If he likes Yui and he makes a move, their whole clique is GONE. So that's why Hayama is suppressing his feelings for "Y." This "Y" is actually Yui. I mean, he did say that he dislikes losing and feeling inferior to Hachiman. This can mean a lot of things, but it could also be because Yui likes Hachiman.

I mean, we just can't refute that Yui theory because Hayama is a master in keeping up appearances and facades.

Plus, Watari Wataru can definitely pull that curve ball with only a few people expecting it.

All the things that people have been noticing could easily be red herrings.

Jun 28, 2015 7:36 AM

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Probably Yukinon. Chances is pretty high

Jun 28, 2015 7:47 AM

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Maybe Hayama Hayato acutally LIKES Yuigahama Yui?

Kill me before I see Hayama confess his feelings.
Dang, that's make me quiver.

OT: Well, I'm not sure about Hayama's main goal(s) when he tried to do social suicide when he hang out with Orimoto and her friend. I think Haruno's presence in that restaurant wasn't a coincidence, tho. It might be related with Hayama's plan to get Haruno's affection attention. Look, she told Hayama was a boring person cuz he always do what people expected. Probably, Hayama wanted to prove that he's not a boring person, that's why he tried to use 8man's social suicide with 'to help 8man's relationship' as a reason. Two birds with one stone~

Jun 28, 2015 8:08 AM

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_Charl said:

zeron824 said:
Maybe Hayama Hayato acutally LIKES Yuigahama Yui?

Kill me before I see Hayama confess his feelings.
Dang, that's make me quiver.

OT: Well, I'm not sure about Hayama's main goal(s) when he tried to do social suicide when he hang out with Orimoto and her friend. I think Haruno's presence in that restaurant wasn't a coincidence, tho. It might be related with Hayama's plan to get Haruno's affection attention. Look, she told Hayama was a boring person cuz he always do what people expected. Probably, Hayama wanted to prove that he's not a boring person, that's why he tried to use 8man's social suicide with 'to help 8man's relationship' as a reason. Two birds with one stone~

Dont worry he like Yoshiteru

Jun 28, 2015 12:21 PM

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Probably Yukinon. Chances is pretty high

yeah i'm already prepare for this
if this teory really happen in future volume

Jun 28, 2015 9:44 PM

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NeedHelp56 said:
Oh man, I didn't think about Yui being a possibility. I am honestly scared now because of that proposition, but it does seem like a good twist to fool everyone. I ship Yui so I may seem bias, but even then, it still seems more likely that it's Yukinon being his love interest since they have history and etc..

I don't think it's Yui though.
They never really focused on Hayato and Yui's relationship, so chances are very low.

Jun 28, 2015 10:21 PM

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Shironeko- said:

NeedHelp56 said:
Oh man, I didn't think about Yui being a possibility. I am honestly scared now because of that proposition, but it does seem like a good twist to fool everyone. I ship Yui so I may seem bias, but even then, it still seems more likely that it's Yukinon being his love interest since they have history and etc..

I don't think it's Yui though.
They never really focused on Hayato and Yui's relationship, so chances are very low.

That's right! They haven't focused on the relationship much, but that can easily just be red herrings. It's not completely off the book.

Jun 29, 2015 9:43 PM

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zeron824 said:

_Charl said:
But, Hayama slipped his tongue and called Yukinoshita with "Yukino-chan" isn't enough to prove that he likes Yukino.

Actually no. That's like their childhood names.

Here is a great twist that seems like not a lot of people will notice though.
Maybe Hayama Hayato acutally LIKES Yuigahama Yui?

Okay, so we all know that Hayama LOVES to keep the status quo. We have seen this with Tobe and Hina. Hayama is not one to show his feelings because if he does, it changes the whole feel. Especially since Hayama knows Yumiko likes him. If he likes Yui and he makes a move, their whole clique is GONE. So that's why Hayama is suppressing his feelings for "Y." This "Y" is actually Yui. I mean, he did say that he dislikes losing and feeling inferior to Hachiman. This can mean a lot of things, but it could also be because Yui likes Hachiman.

I mean, we just can't refute that Yui theory because Hayama is a master in keeping up appearances and facades.

Plus, Watari Wataru can definitely pull that curve ball with only a few people expecting it.

All the things that people have been noticing could easily be red herrings.

Bro, we think alike. I consider Haruno highest possibility, Yui 2nd, Yukino 3rd. 5 up top haha

Jun 29, 2015 9:56 PM

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nitro_cyanide said:

zeron824 said:

Actually no. That's like their childhood names.

Here is a great twist that seems like not a lot of people will notice though.
Maybe Hayama Hayato acutally LIKES Yuigahama Yui?

Okay, so we all know that Hayama LOVES to keep the status quo. We have seen this with Tobe and Hina. Hayama is not one to show his feelings because if he does, it changes the whole feel. Especially since Hayama knows Yumiko likes him. If he likes Yui and he makes a move, their whole clique is GONE. So that's why Hayama is suppressing his feelings for "Y." This "Y" is actually Yui. I mean, he did say that he dislikes losing and feeling inferior to Hachiman. This can mean a lot of things, but it could also be because Yui likes Hachiman.

I mean, we just can't refute that Yui theory because Hayama is a master in keeping up appearances and facades.

Plus, Watari Wataru can definitely pull that curve ball with only a few people expecting it.

All the things that people have been noticing could easily be red herrings.

Bro, we think alike. I consider Haruno highest possibility, Yui 2nd, Yukino 3rd. 5 up top haha

I had known it m8, but I'm not sure.

Jun 29, 2015 10:05 PM

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Well Yukino seems to be the highest possibility. She and Hayato seems to know each other for a long time (calling Yuki-chan). Also Yukino despises Hayato because it could be either that Hayato betrayed Yukino for his reputation or Hayato confessed to her and Yukino rejected him.

Also Hayato is close to Yukinoshita's family, if he likes Yui, he probably would stay close with Yui's family right? We all know that Yui loves to talk about her surroundings, so we would know if Hayato is hitting on Yui. But there seems to be no signs of it, and if Watari pulled that off, it's like a lazy cop-out writing so that Yui will have a pairing.

While Yukino as Hayato's "Y" has a lot of reasons for it to be true. Not to mention that Hayato is hating on Hikki could be because Yukino is getting closer and warmer to Hikigaya, while she stays cold towards Hayato. Also I don't see how he could hate Hikki just because Yui is getting closer to Hikki, because we know that Yui is very close to Hayato's group way before the club.

It could also be Haruno, but I can see Hayato seeing Haruno as a big sister rather than a lover.

Jun 30, 2015 5:49 AM

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I dont like the YuixHachiman ship since Yui is in my view, just a female version of Hayato but slightly better as there has been some growth in her character. She wants to keep both circle of friends Hayato Clique and the service club at the same time.
In S1 of Oregairu she avoids speaking to 8man in class and when her friends are present which really doesn't show commitment. Though I do like her character, so far 8man pairing with her is rather unappealing.

The same can be extended to Iroha as her actions are somewhat wishy-washy. Its unclear whether shes still interested in 8man or still aiming for Hayama.

On the other hand the other ship Yukino is still unclear whether her attachment to 8man is dependence/reliance or romantic

In my opinion, Komachi has shown the most merit and is the closest character to 8man so far as she can openly express her care for him. All other characters are trailing in close second.

I believe whoever is the first to be honest and open about their relationship with 8man, and accept the sacrifices needed to achieve that will be the end ship as only then have they completed 8man's request of a "genuine" relationship.

My current vote is for Komachi so far, but subject to change once the character's reasonings are all fleshed out and explained

Jun 30, 2015 5:01 PM

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zeron824 said:
That's right! They haven't focused on the relationship much, but that can easily just be red herrings. It's not completely off the book.

Not in the least bit since Hayama would have noticed that Yui, even before the series began, liked Hachiman, and that would have prevented him from getting closer to her. On top of that it could explain why he stays close to Miura, its the only way to stay close to Yui. That could be why he didn't want Tobe to confess to Ebina, because the fallout would have destroyed the group, and while Miura may have stayed close to him, there was no guarantee that Yui would have stuck around (since she was moving toward Yukino anyway). It would also explain his obsession/jealousy with Hachiman.

Don't think this is the case, but it certainly isn't that far out there.

Over all I have it in descending order of Yukino, Yumiko, Yui, and Haruno, but the fun thing about this show is that all of those can be possible, there are arguments and examples to support each of them. Watari is carefully balancing things for that reason and so with just a couple of tweaks, or a couple of "no, that scene actually meant this" he could change everything and leave us shaking our heads going "oh, no I get it".

But that is why speculating is so much fun with this show, it gives you so much to play with.

Jun 30, 2015 5:22 PM

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I think a popular speculation people have with Hayama is that he and Yukino somehow have this burden of relationship forced upon them by their families, but I still think that he is more in love wit Haruno and Yukino. A problem is that since Haruno is older than he is, and that makes it a no-no in a lot of more conservative households.

An arranged marriage between Yukino and Hayama, while certainly possible, is not a likely outcome in my book because of the following 2 reasons:

1. They are too young to be married, especially when Yukino has already expressed the desire to go to a local public university. Due to the relatively strict gender roles of Japanese society, A lot of Japanese women instead of a 4-year degree go to "short-term colleges" which offer a 2-year degree in specialized office-work/home econ programs, and after that they get married and never/only briefly enter the workplace. Yukino's original plan to do science will imply that she does not want to get married anytime soon before pursuing some form of careers first.

2. If an arranged marriage is something in the books for the Yukinoshitas, it makes little sense not to marry UP the social/political ladder. While the father is apparently well involved in local politics, a large part of Chiba is still relatively rural and any sort of political advancement will mean that either the Yukinoshitas make a push into Tokyo or make connections with those even more influential in Chiba (to reach a greater supporter base). Having a marriage with the Hayamas offers no benefits to the Yukinoshita at least politically. Law advisors are a dime a dozen and there is no real reason to have to keep the Hayama family that close when they are already on the Yukinoshitas' retainers. In addition, since major family decisions are still made by the father, who has yet to make an appearance this late in the series. Introducing a new character whose actions has severely impacted the development and outcome of the story in the last (or second to last) volume just seems like very poor planning and writing for Watari.

Jun 30, 2015 5:27 PM

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Komachi is not going to happen because this is a comedy set in Chiba. Watari already joked about sis-cons previously (in the LN), so it is unlikely that he will want Oregairu to collide head-on with Ore no imouto.

Some people have interpreted that Yui may have ceded in the competition for Hachiman's affections, by the way, and it is certainly a possibility. If so, then maybe Hayama's relations with Yui may begin to develop here as well.

Jun 30, 2015 6:47 PM

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NeedHelp56 said:
I was always annoyed with Miura cause she came off as a total bitch for most of the show. However, I would still feel bad if it turns out to be true that her main role was just to keep Yui around for Hayato, although I really hope that's not the case.

The reason I moved Miura up to second was that Hayama personally thanked her (and of course Iroha, but she was serving as SCP, so that was less blatant) after the marathon. While it also killed the HayamaXYukiko rumors, his doing that after Hachiman asked if he was just using her, would have bordered on the sadistic. Its one thing to let someone's own emotions serve as a shield, it is something very different to encourage them.

Also in the previous episode, when Haruno took the shot at Yukino and Miura was visibly upset, Hayama was quick to defuse that rumor.

Miura, for her faults, is really just a less interesting and intelligent Yukino. That she accepts Ebina for who she is (which was shown back in episode 3 when she wiped her bloody nose) showed that she is actually a decent person, just one of those somewhat shallow people who pride themselves on being "frank".

The issue though isn't who Hayama likes, because it seems clear that he isn't being given a choice. He has the look of a person well aware that everything is going to end, which is why he is so determined to prolong things as they are.

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