Hyperdimension Neptunia arrives on Steam

VitaminCaim said:
If Square actually paid attention to the western market, they should have known that western gamers DO NOT like one-button games.

VitaminCaim said:
]Nah, jp games are pretty shit if you include a lot of the independent works

Indie jp games are pretty bad while most indie western games are just the same thing being repeated over and over again because of stagnation

VitaminCaim said:
Call of Duty is infinitely better than more than half of your jap games.

Call of Duty, flashy popular western made game


Dead or Alive, flashy popular japanese made game


I also find it amusing how my laptop can run top tier JP games for the PC. Oh wait, because the PC market there is shit. Why are you japs still focusing on the console market? Too busy developing tits?

VitaminCaim said:
Why is Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zero 30 minutes long? Didn't you say that Japanese games pride themselves in story and length? Why did it cost $50 and only have like 30 minutes of gameplay?

VitaminCaim said:

Why is Hajime Tabata not fired for stating this?

Hajime Tabata explained that combat in the game is more complex compared to previous descriptions that caused intense controversy between fans, concerned that it could be taking an excessively casual turn.
First of all, the defense button can be held down to dodge or guard automatically, but will consume MP, so you can’t just hold the button all the time. You need to carefully consider whether to attack or to defend. In addition to that, it’s not full invincibility: some attacks cannot be avoided automatically, and require special countermeasures.
Holding down the attack button will launch a basic combo, but the attack changes in combination with the directional input. Actions are also situational, and change if you’re defending, depending on timing and on the position of your allies.
A separate jump command has also been added, since the DualShock 4 has enough buttons. The free running shown during the E3 demo is still in the game, while the ability to switch characters won’t be implemented in order to create an interesting and innovative battle system that makes full use of attack, defense and collaboration between characters.
You can also select one of the weapons equipped by Noctis as his main weapon, making its special abilities available at any time during battle. In addition to the attack button you can use those abilities with the skill button.
Tabata-san clarified that in order to broaden the target the team developed a battle system that anyone can play immediately, but Final Fantasy XV won’t be a casual game.

VitaminCaim said:
If Square actually paid attention to the western market, they should have known that western gamers DO NOT like one-button games.

VitaminCaim said:
Also what's the deal with jp games overcomplicating themselves?

VitaminCaim said:
Why do I have to read an entire encyclopedia just to understand a plot like Final Fantasy 13?

Battlechili1 said:
Dont you mean the other way around? Japanese indie games are top tier. Cave Story, Bunny Must Die, Sorcerland...Meanwhile the West gets trash like Depression Quest and Gone Home.

Khaosman said:


Seriously?! You must be destroyed!!!

Battlechili1 said:
Dont you mean the other way around? Japanese indie games are top tier. Cave Story, Bunny Must Die, Sorcerland...Meanwhile the West gets trash like Depression Quest and Gone Home.
And yes I know I'm cherry picking here.
But I have yet to come across a bad Japanese indie game, while the West has some REALLY bad ones as well as some just boring looking ones like Bastion. Like everything the Japanese put out tries really hard to be unique or really weird and different or maybe just colorful. The West tries too hard to emulate real life.

Battlechili1 said:

Dead or Alive looks more fun.
Fuck realism and fuck first person shooters as a genre.
And the reason you can run top tier Japanese games on your laptop is because the Japanese are better at optimization.
I'm looking at you Assassin's Creed Unity.
Also for example, my laptop has a better time running Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn than it does running Runescape.

MoldyCereal said:

LOL nice cherry picking. Have you even played any Japanese indie games? There are tons of shitty Japanese visual novels and bullet hell clones. The same ratio of shitty games made in Japan are pretty much the same ratio as shitty Western Indie games.

MoldyCereal said:

You are basing a game's fun just on how fun it looks? You are the cancer that is killing the gaming industry and then you have the audacity to shit on CoD for its graphics. Japanese are good at optimization? Dark Souls needed a fan mod to make it playable, FF13 was unplayable on release day for PC with frequent frame rate drops, similar to the PS3 release so its really not the hardware limiting the game. Even Durante's graphics mod was better than Square Enix's patch that enabled the bare minimum of graphics options.

I don't want to be the one defending a piece of shit but Assassin's Creed Unity was only shitty because it was published by Ubisoft. If the actual developers had their way, it would have been been another year to work on bugs instead of Ubisoft bitching for the 11/11 release date. I always thought you were a bit biased but the laptop running FF XIV running better than Runescape comment confirmed my suspicions. The Japanese are definitely not great at optimizing for games, save for Nintendo. The glorious age of Japan being the greatest country for creating games has come to an end and you seriously need to wake up and smell the Western coffee, son.

Battlechili1 said:
Honestly I forgot about shitty visual novels, so I'll give you that. They keep pumping out so many awful ones. I don't see the issue with bullet hell clones though. Those games are usually pretty damn fun.

How am I cancer for basing a game's fun on how it looks if I haven't played said game(to know for sure of course one must actually play the game)? You should be able to tell if a game is something you'd like just from gameplay footage, trailers, and knowing who's developed a game in most cases. I'll admit, looks can be deceiving and sometimes you might be let down. But in most cases you should be able to tell and if you ever find yourself unsure on a title just buy it when its low price or on sale or used.

Also you mentioning framerate drops for FF13 on PS3 seems kind of odd since the PC port was a port of the Xbox 360 version, and supposedly the PS3 version is the best version of the game Or at least that's what /v/ told me.. In any case, yes, it was a shoddy port and yes, Durante did improve it in ways that the devs should have been able to themselves. Square did a shoddy job, I'll admit. I'm not saying the Japanese are amazing perfect people when it comes to making and/or porting video games. Keep in mind though that while the FF13 port was shoddy, the Valkyria Chronicles port was really, really good.

Also what do you mean by FFXIV and Runescape confirming bias? Was it unfair to compare the two, or do you think I'm lying? I mentioned ARR since I tried it out last night. I will admit I am biased towards the Japanese in terms of gaming though, mostly because I can't bring myself to enjoy much from the West anymore. The big name games I am looking forward to are FFXV, Type 0 HD, Kingdom Hearts III, Persona 5, Star Fox U, Zelda U, and Xenoblade Chronicles X. Nothing big name from the West interests me. So I am biased and I know I went overboard on that thing at the top and for that I'd like to apologize. The Japanese are not some amazing spectacle incable of screwing up and doing a bad job on something. I know there are good Western games even if they aren't my cup of tea. But I'd say that its hardly true that the Japanese aren't brilliant when it comes to making games. I'd even argue hard that games like Drakengard 3 and FFXIII series (despite the shoddy PC port of course) are both really good games despite the flak they've gotten.

Battlechili1 said:

If you were going to name good Western indie games I would've been more inclined to mention games like Skullgirls, Hyper Light Drifter, UnderTale, and Freedom Planet, but okay.
Honestly all of those games you mentioned look boring to me. Too realistic. Too much standard fantasy-fare. Not colorful enough. I'm not saying they're bad though; I'm sure they're good and have their audience.

Riptos said:
I'm beginning to feel bad because I'm actually enjoying it, played 12 hours so far.

But I think because I play VN's pretty regularly and I'm familiar with the characters via the anime; has helped alot with that.

I don't know why you are arguing with "FGAU/DateYutaka/Whatever his next name will be to avoid being instantly recognised" as no matter what point you bring up you are wrong! lol

You won't get anything out of him but "West = bad, Japanese = gospel" but obviously with much worse spelling.

FGAU1912 said:

no your wrong there

Riptos said:


Pretty much every response you give, but just worded differently. =)

Lash_ said:
The west isn't dominating gaming for no reason. Sorry, it's the truth. How can you fuck with games like The Witcher 2, Skyrim, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Dishonored and Borderlands? Bayonetta 2 was the last good thing to come out of Japan. You yap about better story in Japanese games but you never tell us how these stories are betters.

FGAU1912 said:

and ithe witcher is so goood the writer of the novels has in fact disowed the games

Lash_ said:


Link me then. The only reason why I play the Witcher 2 is because of the graphics, characters and story.

You've never completed Borderlands 2 if you think the story is bad. Well written characters, top notch voice actors, amazing gameplay. This game has the full package. I have yet to see asia release a game that is on the level of Borderlands 2.

Lash_ said:
I'm still waiting for that link on what you said about the writer of the witcher.

Also, please mention games that aren't outdated because that's just unfair on the old games.

FGAU1912 said:


good stoire sare timeless

Lash_ said:


And are great for the nostalgia but comparing really old games to new games is like comparing a La Marquise to a Benz, it's just unfair. We can do so much with games now, even the gaming industry is bigger than the movie industry now.

FGAU1912 said:
you put graphics ahed of story so yes

i hate grahpics whore i place more on astects than graphics un like you

live2win said:
Returning the same level of ignorance to someone who has been known to be consistently stubborn where you could spent the time to broaden your horizons and actually learn why and how this world works.

Lash_ said:


What? How am I a graphics whore? Stop assuming things. Yes old cars sell for a lot but who actually uses them normally like, "hmmm I am going to get some food, let me take this out of date car." I love Streets of Rage but I'll never play it normally, games like that get played when you take a dump or when you are on a train.

Still waiting for that witcher 2 link by the way

Lash_ said:


Link me then. The only reason why I play the Witcher 2 is because of the graphics

Riptos said:
It's like the time where he said something like he had all of the anime he had on his watch list or at least most of it. He posted a picture up of someone else's collection and claimed it was his, still tried to keep the charade up.

Lash_ said:
I said "The only reason why I play the Witcher 2 is because of the graphics, characters and story."

Nice try

FGAU1912 said:


you put grahpics first

and as iv said
im more an Aesthetics person than a Grahpics person while your more a Grahpics person than an Aesthetics one

Lash_ said:


So? If I put story first, doesn't mean the story is what I liked the most. You sound desperate, FGAU1912.

Gogetters said:
How does a thread about Neptunia on Steam turns into some stupid debate about the aesthetics and graphics of Japan, Western and indie games?

Gogetters said:
How does a thread about Neptunia on Steam turns into some stupid debate about the aesthetics and graphics of Japan, Western and indie games?

Riptos said:


FGA

The usual reason. lol

Lash_ said:
I said "The only reason why I play the Witcher 2 is because of the graphics, characters and story."

Nice try

Crzy_Minus said:
So the ESRB just leaked that Hyperdevotion Noire is also coming to PC:

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=33795&Title=Hyperdevotion%20Noire%3A%20Goddess%20Black%20Heart&searchkeyword=Hyperdevotion

Narmy said:

It's not a guarantee, but I'd say it's pretty likely considering the success of Re;Birth.
http://nichegamer.net/2015/02/hyperdevotion-noire-goddess-black-heart-is-rated-for-pc-by-the-esrb/ (check the update for their response)

Battlechili1 said:
Hmm...Well I hope a PC release occurs.
Is it me though, or do the visuals for Hyperdevotion Noire look much worse than Re;Birth? It looks much more dated.