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Dec 27, 2014 10:31 AM

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Zurel said:
Still, what's wrong with just drinking the cold water and boiling a new one for tea and coffee?

Nothing, I never said it was wrong, I said it was wasteful to throw it away. O_O
I wouldn't drink it if I were you, if the water where you live is that hard, just use it for cleaning, watering your plants or give it to your pet. I personally never drink tap water, boiled or not.


Still, Soren, another concern about drinking cold boiled water is whether or not you have let it stayed over night in your kettle. Metal container is not good for health and we should store food and water in glass containers instead (not that I care actually, cough cough, if we can fasten death by doing the wrong little things like these, I will certainly do them). Know anything to be busted about this one, Grave?

All I know is that enamel-lined metal containers and stainless steel are ok. I'm an avid tea drinker, I rarely have any water left in the kettle by the end of the day.

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Dec 27, 2014 10:35 AM

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So in the end, reboil it or not? I'm confused :s

I think reboiling is ok if the kettle is secure I suppose.

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Dec 27, 2014 10:43 AM

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@x_at_home, if it's been sitting there for days, then do NOT drink it. It's ok to reboil it within the same day or the next morning but don't let it sit for too long, no matter kind of kettle you have.

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Dec 27, 2014 10:45 AM

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TIL a lot about left over kettle water XD
Dec 27, 2014 10:59 AM

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Dec 27, 2014 11:09 AM

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Dec 27, 2014 11:22 AM

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Soren333 said:
You know when you have leftover water in your kettle (water was boiled but its cold again), do you just reboil it or do you throw it away for fresh water?

Reduce, reuse, recycle.
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Dec 27, 2014 11:32 AM
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This is one long night... sasuga winter
Dec 27, 2014 11:49 AM

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I'm so bored...

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Dec 27, 2014 11:54 AM
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watch some animu then like the rest of us~
Dec 27, 2014 12:11 PM

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[center]Day Phase Four

jackrito and Zurel have been killed

asu slept in - sorry bout taht >_<
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Asu you're still a fragile flower... But its ok cause you're a beautiful flower!

花火花火花火 :D:D:D
Dec 27, 2014 12:30 PM

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Interresting o.o - Grave didn't die, but yet there has been 2 kills.. This probably means that the mafia didn't even try to kill grave.

Where is the role-claims list?
Dec 27, 2014 12:38 PM

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Damn, are those vig kills or SK? I feel so lost.... I must make a players vs roles list x_x

Lie Detector Investigation:
[*] Previous Nights:

Night 3:
Question: Is the statement: "I am townie!" by zymf true?
Result: True

Zymf is a townie

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Dec 27, 2014 12:42 PM

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grave_robber said:

Roleclaims
DoubleC - Deputy and Lover
MrSantaEye - Lover

grave_robber - Some kind of investigator
coromandel - Some kind of investigator
Mikiuza - Doctor/ important town role(several times)
added by grave
Crowlage - Some kind of investigator
Byon-kun - Some kind of investigator
DatNeonPanda - Doctor (twice that I know of)
PandaCake - Doctor (once)

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Ok, here it is, Jackrito and Zurel didn't claim any roles, which means that the players on this list is either lying or not worth killing.
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Dec 27, 2014 1:14 PM

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vote lynch: Mikiuza

Aside from this, I wonder if grave's death was redirected or if him staying alive was intended.
Dec 27, 2014 1:24 PM

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Sonatta said:
Aside from this, I wonder if grave's death was redirected or if him staying alive was intended.
Redirected? I doubt there is a role that can do that o.o
Dec 27, 2014 1:30 PM

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There is one, I killed myself that way on the last game that I played, tanking a kill on someone else for myself. I think its called redirector? Aint sure.
Dec 27, 2014 1:34 PM

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Updated Players List


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Dec 27, 2014 1:34 PM

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It works with all interactions aswell, not just kills ~
Dec 27, 2014 1:39 PM

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Sonatta said:
There is one, I killed myself that way on the last game that I played, tanking a kill on someone else for myself. I think its called redirector? Aint sure.

I've read about that role, I wonder if we have one.... It is my understanding that that their target would be the person who tried to kill me, they redirect the actions of their target not the actions placed upon their target.

So basically, if there's a redirector, they targeted whoever tried to kill me and made them attack someone else.

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Dec 27, 2014 1:44 PM

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When I played that role, I targeted the one who was gonna be killed, not the killer, maybe there are different versions I dunno.

It was on Pokemon mafia on the slice of life club for anyone interested~
Dec 27, 2014 1:46 PM

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I haven't been role blocked either so maybe the mafia roleblocker is dead, inactive or has been roleblocked/redirected. *hopes it's the 1st option*

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Dec 27, 2014 1:51 PM

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@Sonatta, I think your role was a Deflector, it used to be called a redirector up until 2013 it seems.
They use pretty interesting roles in SOLC, thanks for sharing sonatta.

I think it's quite possible that we do, I haven't been killed or roleblocked by anyone for 2 nights in a row. This reminds me of something *doesn't wanna tip off the mafia*

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Dec 27, 2014 2:42 PM

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Yup, that was my role~

SoLC is the reason I started playing mafia two months ago or so, there have been some pretty fun games so far there ^^
Dec 27, 2014 2:59 PM

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Sonatta said:
vote lynch: Mikiuza

Aside from this, I wonder if grave's death was redirected or if him staying alive was intended.


reasons please, scum
Dec 27, 2014 3:10 PM

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Dam Byon's role must have been so useless that he didn't have anything noteworthy comments from the previous pages I've read when he was alive. REST IN PEACE my homeboy
Dec 27, 2014 3:32 PM

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Zurel said:
Calm down peeps.

Flops, people make mistakes. Don't exaggerate.

Love, don't turn to Hate now.


Not sure how pointing out the fact skimming over someone's name and using something completely diff is an exaggeration.
Also it was mostly jokingly so due to replacing it with the name of a god awful character :3
Dec 27, 2014 3:39 PM

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I also get the feeling Sona just asked to die <.<

Could be scum claiming that due to not going for what may have been a kill that would obviously get them revealed or just not work at all.
Dec 27, 2014 3:42 PM

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grave_robber said:
Damn, are those vig kills or SK? I feel so lost.... I must make a players vs roles list x_x

Lie Detector Investigation:
[*] Previous Nights:

Night 3:
Question: Is the statement: "I am townie!" by zymf true?
Result: True

Zymf is a townie



grave_robber said:
Thank you for the encouragement you guys! =D

So my suspects were based on their reaction to the events of day 2 and how they responded to my question of "what is your alignment"?

Ok, my suspects are:

1. DatNeonPanda: RIP Panda


2. Byon-kun: (mild suspicions)


3. Crowlage: (mild suspicions)


4. Zymf: (mild suspicions)


I will ask each of those people the simple question: "What is your alignment?" that is the easiest way to find out if they are town aligned or not. If they dodge the question, they are anti-town, plain and simple!


Yeah that is atleast 50% you got wrong with their alignment. That's cuz the reasoning on these suspicions are not hard science at all. Townies, third parties, or mafias can do any of the things you have said.

Here are my questions:

Why might a mafia not say they aren't town aligned?
Why might a town say they not mafia?

If you ask the question "are you a mafia", what is there for an ability for a mafia to say NO and a townie to say YES. there is nothing. A townie could dodge it and look like a mafia, a mafia could say YES. You will reason with me that there is no reason for a townie to say no, or mafia but there is also no reason for a mafia to say they are a mafia at all. The question of "what is you alignment" proves to be a useless question that will get us nowhere


Asking for specific question about role: Seriously? Noobs that haven't seen that role will ask that question. There is no indication at all that it is a scum move. You included he is also an investigative role, which doesn't really prove a point that he is a mafia. Not at all.

Voting then casting off after wagon starts: Townie could do this. They cast a vote just to get a reaction then ya know, wagon starts and they don't want em lynched. I don't see this as the only thing a mafia does. Town can do this, survivor can do this, ur grandmother can do this, mafia can do this, your pet dog can do this, blah blah blah blah. Yeah. This is more based on "feeling if they are a mafia". Not hard facts at all. Maybe you should start looking at the people who joined the wagon instead? I mean why wouldn't the guys who followed the wagon wouldn't be suspicious as well.
Dec 27, 2014 4:10 PM

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Noooo!!! I died. I still want to talk about boiled water...
Dec 27, 2014 4:12 PM

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I just voted Mikuiza because he's had an erratic behavior since the first day. First, he claimed to be a doctor, a few phases later, he asks to be killed since he's done being a "bait"(which makes me think that he could be a jester trying to fool us?), he just wants to be shot by mafia (he said he would be inactive for the next three days, yet he's still here, contributing to the discussion...). I dunno, I am just suspicious of him since last day phase.

He hasn't been killed by the mafia either, and assuming the deflector is targetting grave, and the doctor is either dead or Mikiuza himself, I don't know the reason why he's still alive.

We can just grant his wish after all, since he wants to be killed it doesn't matter if it happens during day or night phase.
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Dec 27, 2014 4:23 PM

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I'm lagging hard from my mobile, but I'd like you guys to check what a framer does in mafiascum, and tell me if the framer role affects what the lie detector takes as truth.
Dec 27, 2014 5:18 PM

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Mikiuza, I can't follow your logic at all!

Of course any sane townie would answer YES if asked if they are townie. And asking the question will most definitely get us somewhere!
Any mafia will feel pressured when asked if they are townie. They will most likely end up saying YES as well to avoid getting lynched, but they know they will still be in danger since there is a high likelyhood that grave will use her lie detector. Therefore some of them might try to dodge the question or make a 3th party claim.

But still.. even if none of them tries to dodge the question, grave still needs some claims before she can use her skill
Dec 27, 2014 5:20 PM

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Is grave confirmed lie detector anyway?
Dec 27, 2014 5:21 PM

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Sonatta said:
Is grave confirmed lie detector anyway?
Nope.. but she sounds pretty convincing and I quess she is most likely telling the truth.

Also, coromandel supported her (and is now dead)
Dec 27, 2014 5:26 PM

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Sonatta said:
Is grave confirmed lie detector anyway?

teh way asu set teh game up no role will be able to be publicly confirmed till teh game is over
conclusions can be reached through attention to various events and logical deduction
but nothing can be confirmed
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Asu you're still a fragile flower... But its ok cause you're a beautiful flower!

花火花火花火 :D:D:D
Dec 27, 2014 5:27 PM

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Sonatta said:
Yup, that was my role~

SoLC is the reason I started playing mafia two months ago or so, there have been some pretty fun games so far there ^^
Back when I made my first mafia game (Code Geass), I didn't even know forum mafia was a thing xD - I had just played it in IRL and then I changed the rules a bit to fit the "forum format"
Dec 27, 2014 5:33 PM

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I guess I'll have to trust her then.

But the night coromandel died there was another death aswell: DatNeonPanda (who had claimed to be a doctor twice). Mafia could've killed Panda too and a 3rd party role (I'm assuming there must be a SK in this game) kill coromandel. I think mafia had more reasons to kill a possible doctor that someone who claims to be an "investigative role" without explaining a thing.

Also, since the number of night kills hasn't dropped an inch ever since, either the doctor/s are all dead or they are doing an awful job.

I don't fully trust grave to be honest, but nobody can trust anyone at this stage of the game (not even myself, I'm not asking u to trust me on anything b-b-baka!) and I'll have to take what she says as truth until proven otherwise.
Dec 27, 2014 5:34 PM

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I played mafia IRL too, though it has a different name where I live (something about a whore and a priest, I don't quite remember it now).
Dec 27, 2014 5:46 PM

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Sonatta said:
Is grave confirmed lie detector anyway?
She seems at the very least to be the one controlling the role. However, it would be neat if she was just voicing what the lie detector was doing, that way our lie detector could be better hidden. However, that being said we are looking at a new day.

Onward~

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Dec 27, 2014 5:51 PM

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Sonatta said:
I played mafia IRL too, though it has a different name where I live (something about a whore and a priest, I don't quite remember it now).



was the priest paying for the whore, or was the whore praying for the priest?
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Dec 27, 2014 5:52 PM

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Zymf said:
Mikiuza, I can't follow your logic at all!

Of course any sane townie would answer YES if asked if they are townie. And asking the question will most definitely get us somewhere!
Any mafia will feel pressured when asked if they are townie. They will most likely end up saying YES as well to avoid getting lynched, but they know they will still be in danger since there is a high likelyhood that grave will use her lie detector. Therefore some of them might try to dodge the question or make a 3th party claim.

But still.. even if none of them tries to dodge the question, grave still needs some claims before she can use her skill

And tell me where the result lead to. Nowhere. You're not guilty. Byon wasn't guilty. 50% of the suspect list isn't guilty. That is a lot of time wasted through faulty reasoning.

He suspected and he acted up to it.

The result of asking what their alignment is doesn't change. if two dodged the question doesn't mean they are a mafia, as we see from the suspect list and the result.

There is a possibility they will be investigated by him, so then there's the role blocker, there is the mafia kills, etc. If I were mafia, I won't be scared if he asked me. Hey it's closed role, it's closed everything. Mafias are pretty much perfectly safe in this environment.
Even then dodging and claiming third party will lead you to be suspected, so why do that?





Sonatta said:
I just voted Mikuiza because he's had an erratic behavior since the first day. First, he claimed to be a doctor, a few phases later, he asks to be killed since he's done being a "bait"(which makes me think that he could be a jester trying to fool us?), he just wants to be shot by mafia (he said he would be inactive for the next three days, yet he's still here, contributing to the discussion...). I dunno, I am just suspicious of him since last day phase.

He hasn't been killed by the mafia either, and assuming the deflector is targetting grave, and the doctor is either dead or Mikiuza himself, I don't know the reason why he's still alive.

We can just grant his wish after all, since he wants to be killed it doesn't matter if it happens during day or night phase.


Okay so according to all these reasoning, what would I be then? If I am mafia, tell me why I would do the following you said above as a mafia vs me doing it as a townie
Dec 27, 2014 5:53 PM
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Guess we just have to go on feelings in this game im still suspicous of people who jumped on the lynch train on me so maybe we should throw some preasure there way and see if they give us any info best case we kill a killer worse case a townie
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Sonatta said:
I guess I'll have to trust her then.

But the night coromandel died there was another death aswell: DatNeonPanda (who had claimed to be a doctor twice). Mafia could've killed Panda too and a 3rd party role (I'm assuming there must be a SK in this game) kill coromandel. I think mafia had more reasons to kill a possible doctor that someone who claims to be an "investigative role" without explaining a thing.

Also, since the number of night kills hasn't dropped an inch ever since, either the doctor/s are all dead or they are doing an awful job.

I don't fully trust grave to be honest, but nobody can trust anyone at this stage of the game (not even myself, I'm not asking u to trust me on anything b-b-baka!) and I'll have to take what she says as truth until proven otherwise.


I trust grave but I don't like the reasoning of his suspects. The one I quoted. It lead us nowhere.

At least he got one of the mafia right.
Dec 27, 2014 5:56 PM

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And I still claim important town role cuz you know what? I am one.

Also mafia free to kill me

Erratic mah ass
Dec 27, 2014 5:58 PM

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Mikiuza said:
Zymf said:
Mikiuza, I can't follow your logic at all!

Of course any sane townie would answer YES if asked if they are townie. And asking the question will most definitely get us somewhere!
Any mafia will feel pressured when asked if they are townie. They will most likely end up saying YES as well to avoid getting lynched, but they know they will still be in danger since there is a high likelyhood that grave will use her lie detector. Therefore some of them might try to dodge the question or make a 3th party claim.

But still.. even if none of them tries to dodge the question, grave still needs some claims before she can use her skill

And tell me where the result lead to. Nowhere. You're not guilty. Byon wasn't guilty. 50% of the suspect list isn't guilty. That is a lot of time wasted through faulty reasoning.

He suspected and he acted up to it.

The result of asking what their alignment is doesn't change. if two dodged the question doesn't mean they are a mafia, as we see from the suspect list and the result.

There is a possibility they will be investigated by him, so then there's the role blocker, there is the mafia kills, etc. If I were mafia, I won't be scared if he asked me. Hey it's closed role, it's closed everything. Mafias are pretty much perfectly safe in this environment.
Even then dodging and claiming third party will lead you to be suspected, so why do that?

I hate to cut in, I hope you will not mind.

Your logic is strange Mikiuza. Of course, anyone regardless of alignment would say they were town, that makes the most sense. The wording that they put would then be the most important part. It would be part of the psychology of the answer to see whether their words are tense or flustered. Over describing or under describing would then be part of the problem. That is the reason you put pressure on them, that is what it leads too...If they dodge they are either mafia or have a role that they wish not to share yet. However, forcing it is not a terrible result. It is better to do that then say, wait all day for someone to investigate them.

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Mikiuza said:

And tell me where the result lead to. Nowhere. You're not guilty. Byon wasn't guilty. 50% of the suspect list isn't guilty. That is a lot of time wasted through faulty reasoning.

He suspected and he acted up to it.

The result of asking what their alignment is doesn't change. if two dodged the question doesn't mean they are a mafia, as we see from the suspect list and the result.

There is a possibility they will be investigated by him, so then there's the role blocker, there is the mafia kills, etc. If I were mafia, I won't be scared if he asked me. Hey it's closed role, it's closed everything. Mafias are pretty much perfectly safe in this environment.
Even then dodging and claiming third party will lead you to be suspected, so why do that?

I hate to cut in, I hope you will not mind.

Your logic is strange Mikiuza. Of course, anyone regardless of alignment would say they were town, that makes the most sense. The wording that they put would then be the most important part. It would be part of the psychology of the answer to see whether their words are tense or flustered. Over describing or under describing would then be part of the problem. That is the reason you put pressure on them, that is what it leads too...If they dodge they are either mafia or have a role that they wish not to share yet. However, forcing it is not a terrible result. It is better to do that then say, wait all day for someone to investigate them.


So then where did grave's investigation lead to. It lead to nowhere. 50% are town aligned from his 4 investigation. Zymf, the guy who he said was a townie, dodged a question, and turned out to be town aligned.

Let me quote

4. Zymf: (mild suspicions)

Was one of the 1st people to support CC & Hawkeye, he joined the LoveandHate lynch vote and tried to get others to join him. He too made sure to dodge my question of his alignment, why can't he answer a question as simple as "what is your alignment or are you mafia"?


I will ask each of those people the simple question: "What is your alignment?" that is the easiest way to find out if they are town aligned or not. If they dodge the question, they are anti-town, plain and simple!



Yep he dodged it and he was a townie.
Dec 27, 2014 6:03 PM

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And I also want to ask grave and zymf how that happen

you know I run out of idea why so I'm asking you guys
Dec 27, 2014 6:06 PM

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Well that is the serious risk of people like that. When the people who are playing the game come to rely on one person too heavily then that person regardless of alignment is controlling the game. It is when entire towns are lead by the mafia without even knowing it that it is too late to realize that there is nothing to do. You are correct that they were right about that one person, however, I am merely suggesting that it would be wise to place a little pressure on people going late into the game otherwise we are likely to be lead rather then leading.

It is nice that we have such active investigations, however as a town we need to think too.

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Mikiuza you seem quite defensive there
also i think Crow is mafia hes acting like he did when he got a mafia rola in another game
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