_Claire_ said: Kasai said: atta girl! Keep doing that. For that very same reason I became the so called lynch hot spot but won in the end so I guess you can do the same Now my general view is I dont have any thing. I am reading as I am posting right now what picked my attention the most was your statement saying that nobody checked soren and quickly labeled him as town. I have seen this before with other experienced players namely jack and grave. People tend to pick them as town leaders and if they turn up to be scums it would mean insta loss for town so for now I am trying to find Soren's posts other than that I found Izaya's (Kaito's) arguement with queen very intresting. Thats all I can say before completly catching up. Yep I think that is one point where everyone literally overlooks. How they are like townreading Soren so fast. Like so fast. Yeah Jack, I know right. Lol.. And as usual, nobody takes notice of that. :') Well our players usually have herd mind so I guess nothing can be done. They just like to follow someone. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: _Claire_ said: You know this is a lie. It does not always lead to lynching him cause most people know he plays scummy. claire u started playing long after he stopped lol how you gonna tell me? I already told her she just doesnt understand. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: _Claire_ said: You know this is a lie. It does not always lead to lynching him cause most people know he plays scummy. claire u started playing long after he stopped lol how you gonna tell me? I have been the victim of the game, please now. Get into the game and lets get over this Shinich-defending-Kasai-by-getting-off-the-attention whole thing. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: Ur the one that think's im scum but you havent cross referenced any games to prove my meta change is scum smh -___- WTF! I wasn't in that game, I read past games, but I haven't read every game. I don't know how many times I told you that I am not voting you for your meta change, like OMG. You refuse to listen to what people say, and you still have showed me for the third time you have not read my posts. I've have enough of this because you are distracting me with your anti-town behaviour, if you are town, please for the love of god start doing something instead of being on the defense. There's more than 24 hours to go, I don't see scum hunting from you either, I can't fully blame you because you have been attacked but I need to see something more from you rather than responses to posts when it comes to yourself, or defending an inactive player. I don't have a sense of where your reads are even at for the other players, you are tunnelling me, and you got pissed at Jack for doing the same thing, so stop acting like a hypocrite and playing the victim card. You also latched on to Beeboy's reasonings on the alignment - playstyle thing, and Penta's reasonings on why they had suspected me. You are not even showing independent thinking, and you are acting like you have. Your interactions with me earlier on just showed neutral responses, and it feels to me that when suspicion of me came to light you jumped on me like an opportunist. Also, don't be afraid to attack Soren's case either, you are playing chicken and I don't like it. been to distracted to make reads on top of that gotta keep defending myself lol. Sorry but tell me why im scummy then because i can't find it any posts no amtter how much i back read it all mosts to my behavior being strange. |
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Your tone was rhetorical. You were very clearly expecting me to answer with a yes. Even though I have been spending most of this game stating that I don't want to vote someone I am not reading as scum and that I have been working hard digging up things to support my votes. That should have been evident from my vote on you, which you definitely read. I am voting with lynch intent right now. |
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Kasai said: aa-dono said: Doesn't that contradict with your tendency to use meta? I think that only applies to my first and second game. After that everything I do is deemed scummy, be it lurking or asking questions. But last time I checked most players in the MS were against using metas in games and reason for voting. I mean it failed for so many times and as said before it can be changed easily. Why would claire be using it? If she did that would just be stupid. After RNG meta is the worst way to vote. Not sure if she change the way she plays during her breaks and mine, but the Claire I remember used to rely a lot on meta. Most players in MS were against using meta? I didn't know that. I see more people using it than not :/ I can't say it failed. I don't use meta coz I have bad memory of other people's game including my own but my last game, they caught mafia just by meta. And Soul also pointed out how she thinks scum Jack plays differently than town Jack. Shinichi defended you because of meta too, so meta is something a lot of players like to use. Question: Did you not notice that? Why? Even if you think MS players doesn't like it, it has been brought up in this game. Were you reading posts selectively? |
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aa-dono said: Was your vote justified? If you cared about your vote, you wouldn't forget your own vote. Mostly a place holder because shes a slight scum read |
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Kasai said: Shin-chan's not drunk. Are you defending him? Sarcasm? (I'm a baka, so I have to ask)aa-dono said: Are you asking for confirmation if that vote is weird? Why do you question your own vote? Maybe he drunk voted? |
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aa-dono said: Kasai said: But last time I checked most players in the MS were against using metas in games and reason for voting. I mean it failed for so many times and as said before it can be changed easily. Why would claire be using it? If she did that would just be stupid. After RNG meta is the worst way to vote. Not sure if she change the way she plays during her breaks and mine, but the Claire I remember used to rely a lot on meta. Most players in MS were against using meta? I didn't know that. I see more people using it than not :/ I can't say it failed. I don't use meta coz I have bad memory of other people's game including my own but my last game, they caught mafia just by meta. And Soul also pointed out how she thinks scum Jack plays differently than town Jack. Shinichi defended you because of meta too, so meta is something a lot of players like to use. Question: Did you not notice that? Why? Even if you think MS players doesn't like it, it has been brought up in this game. Were you reading posts selectively? I did not say they dont use it. They are just against using it because it is too unstable. In some cases it works and in some it does not. Also its mostly wrong than right. That was why some players were against using it. |
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aa-dono said: Shin-chan's not drunk. Are you defending him? Sarcasm? (I'm a baka, so I have to ask) Sarcasm. I tend to do that a lot. |
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| Quite annoying how every game where im town i get called anti town but when im actually scum no one pressures me this much lol i just can't be a townie without being anti town. Someone wants to pin point what makes me antitown game then go ahead but not gonna keep rereading the thread over and over to find more reasons that make me anti town cause i've come to conclusion i am anti-town townie accept that or lynch me so i can flip my town aligned role. So tempted to roleclaim because this dumb lmao |
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| Claire is trying way to hard to move attention onto Kasai. It reminds me of what Soul said about Jack usually pushing someone until they appear scummy when he is mafia. She is pushing a lot for someone she adamantly insist is a nullread for her. |
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| make a read list later i need to play some games and get my mind off of being anti town every game lol |
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PentaFlare said: Your tone was rhetorical. You were very clearly expecting me to answer with a yes. Even though I have been spending most of this game stating that I don't want to vote someone I am not reading as scum and that I have been working hard digging up things to support my votes. That should have been evident from my vote on you, which you definitely read. I am voting with lynch intent right now. You cant even hear my tone, lol. I think if I said now that I expected you to answer it either with a yes or no, you would not believe me. But it was a pressure vote as I think we are tunneling vision Shinichi and Queen a bit too much, I was interested and Kasai. How could I find him very suspicious if he has not even said a word? I was trying to get him talking. |
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_Claire_ said: PentaFlare said: Your tone was rhetorical. You were very clearly expecting me to answer with a yes. Even though I have been spending most of this game stating that I don't want to vote someone I am not reading as scum and that I have been working hard digging up things to support my votes. That should have been evident from my vote on you, which you definitely read. I am voting with lynch intent right now. You cant even hear my tone, lol. I think if I said now that I expected you to answer it either with a yes or no, you would not believe me. But it was a pressure vote as I think we are tunneling vision Shinichi and Queen a bit too much, I was interested and Kasai. How could I find him very suspicious if he has not even said a word? I was trying to get him talking. The way you said "were you seriously" implies that you had massive doubts I could have been doing anything else. You were not expecting either answer. |
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PentaFlare said: Claire is trying way to hard to move attention onto Kasai. It reminds me of what Soul said about Jack usually pushing someone until they appear scummy when he is mafia. She is pushing a lot for someone she adamantly insist is a nullread for her. Penta, if anything I dislike from you is how you seem to conclude a bit too much sometimes, or exaggerating. It is still 23 hours more, I can pressure-vote a bit before I actually vote for someone I think is scum right? :> |
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PentaFlare said: _Claire_ said: You cant even hear my tone, lol. I think if I said now that I expected you to answer it either with a yes or no, you would not believe me. But it was a pressure vote as I think we are tunneling vision Shinichi and Queen a bit too much, I was interested and Kasai. How could I find him very suspicious if he has not even said a word? I was trying to get him talking. The way you said "were you seriously" implies that you had massive doubts I could have been doing anything else. You were not expecting either answer. If you say I dont. I think I know myself better than you do, Penta. I expect you to elaborate yes or no. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: aa-dono said: Was your vote justified? If you cared about your vote, you wouldn't forget your own vote. Mostly a place holder because shes a slight scum read For a slight scum read, you seem to be focused on her. Do you have other reads? |
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Kasai said: _Claire_ said: Yeah but I know in recent games where I was there, you were "ignored" because of your scummy play, like they accept the fact you were always playing scummy even if you are town. I could still remember where you won that game alone. Dont remember which I think you were SK or Arsonist or sth. I want to see more of Lamby, aa-dono, and Togs. They barely said anything. Even though if its from Lamby I mostly wont understand him. Oh also before I forget remember Soren's first vote and what Jack commented about it. Jack said I was his first choice as a lynch if not for Soren's vote. Even from this you can see the remains of my being voted for day 1 continuosly. As I said you cant teach an old dog new tricks. I wouldnt be suprised if I would get voted today. They is a very different reason for why I wanted to vote you and it has nothing to do with a lynch, if I wanted that why would I not vote you with Soren. |
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_Claire_ said: PentaFlare said: The way you said "were you seriously" implies that you had massive doubts I could have been doing anything else. You were not expecting either answer. If you say I dont. I think I know myself better than you do, Penta. I expect you to elaborate yes or no. Do I have to repeat it again? No. The only time I voted this game without suspicions or with lynch intent was my RVS vote. I have been very clear this game that I want to focus on analyzing the behaviour of others as the basis for my votes. |
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PentaFlare said: _Claire_ said: If you say I dont. I think I know myself better than you do, Penta. I expect you to elaborate yes or no. Do I have to repeat it again? No. The only time I voted this game without suspicions or with lynch intent was my RVS vote. I have been very clear this game that I want to focus on analyzing the behaviour of others as the basis for my votes. By that, you mean meta-reading? |
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_Claire_ said: PentaFlare said: Do I have to repeat it again? No. The only time I voted this game without suspicions or with lynch intent was my RVS vote. I have been very clear this game that I want to focus on analyzing the behaviour of others as the basis for my votes. By that, you mean meta-reading? Yes. A significant portion of my read on you is meta. |
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Kasai said: aa-dono said: Doesn't that contradict with your tendency to use meta? I think that only applies to my first and second game. After that everything I do is deemed scummy, be it lurking or asking questions. But last time I checked most players in the MS were against using metas in games and reason for voting. I mean it failed for so many times and as said before it can be changed easily. Why would claire be using it? If she did that would just be stupid. After RNG meta is the worst way to vote. I would not say Meta is a bad way to vote if it can be backed up. so not sure why you think meta is pointless. |
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Jackrito said: Kasai said: Oh also before I forget remember Soren's first vote and what Jack commented about it. Jack said I was his first choice as a lynch if not for Soren's vote. Even from this you can see the remains of my being voted for day 1 continuosly. As I said you cant teach an old dog new tricks. I wouldnt be suprised if I would get voted today. They is a very different reason for why I wanted to vote you and it has nothing to do with a lynch, if I wanted that why would I not vote you with Soren. I did not say you wanted to lynch me. Even if you dont people still tend to vote me first day phase. More often then not. |
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Jackrito said: Kasai said: But last time I checked most players in the MS were against using metas in games and reason for voting. I mean it failed for so many times and as said before it can be changed easily. Why would claire be using it? If she did that would just be stupid. After RNG meta is the worst way to vote. I would not say Meta is a bad way to vote if it can be backed up. so not sure why you think meta is pointless. Because just voting someone from meta is just dumb. If some evidence can be presented I dont have any problem. |
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| Aww man, I take a break for 2 days and the game starts without me. D: What exactly is happening right now?? |
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 I am town. Soren is town for showing critical thought about the game. He is being actively engaged and I like how he pointed out unaligned pairs, which reminds me of how Bee-Boy did it in Angel Beats! PentaFlare is town because he is asking good questions and working on solving the game. Hmm I just ISO'd Jackrito and I can't find the reasons why I thought he was town early game. @Bee-Boy: Why are you townreading Jack as opposed to last game? deepinthelair is town because of posts 315 and 316 which reads as natural. Isn't one of my stronger reads though. Karote is here because of gut and the "good boy" when Bee-Boy townread him. I also like the "are you too scared to vote" which I think stems from a townie mindset. Once again, not one of my stronger reads. QUEEN is here because of playstyle changes and intentionally positioning herself as low hanging fruit. Bee-Boy is here for true conviction when he was scumreading QUEEN. I'm voting lamby because of his disappearance and voting no lynch. Voting no lynch is suspicious during RVS because it shows that you don't want to pressure someone. |
Crossbell said: I am town. Soren is town for showing critical thought about the game. He is being actively engaged and I like how he pointed out unaligned pairs, which reminds me of how Bee-Boy did it in Angel Beats! PentaFlare is town because he is asking good questions and working on solving the game. Hmm I just ISO'd Jackrito and I can't find the reasons why I thought he was town early game. @Bee-Boy: Why are you townreading Jack as opposed to last game? deepinthelair is town because of posts 315 and 316 which reads as natural. Isn't one of my stronger reads though. Karote is here because of gut and the "good boy" when Bee-Boy townread him. I also like the "are you too scared to vote" which I think stems from a townie mindset. Once again, not one of my stronger reads. QUEEN is here because of playstyle changes and intentionally positioning herself as low hanging fruit. Bee-Boy is here for true conviction when he was scumreading QUEEN. I'm voting lamby because of his disappearance and voting no lynch. Voting no lynch is suspicious during RVS because it shows that you don't want to pressure someone. I find it strange how I'm still a strong town read but you lost your reasoning for it. Surely that would make me more of a null read. |
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Crossbell said: I am town. Soren is town for showing critical thought about the game. He is being actively engaged and I like how he pointed out unaligned pairs, which reminds me of how Bee-Boy did it in Angel Beats! PentaFlare is town because he is asking good questions and working on solving the game. Hmm I just ISO'd Jackrito and I can't find the reasons why I thought he was town early game. @Bee-Boy: Why are you townreading Jack as opposed to last game? deepinthelair is town because of posts 315 and 316 which reads as natural. Isn't one of my stronger reads though. Karote is here because of gut and the "good boy" when Bee-Boy townread him. I also like the "are you too scared to vote" which I think stems from a townie mindset. Once again, not one of my stronger reads. QUEEN is here because of playstyle changes and intentionally positioning herself as low hanging fruit. Bee-Boy is here for true conviction when he was scumreading QUEEN. I'm voting lamby because of his disappearance and voting no lynch. Voting no lynch is suspicious during RVS because it shows that you don't want to pressure someone. I feel at this point in the game you should maybe have a read on Shinchi, Kasai and Claire I think all 3 have done enough for at least some slight reads either side. |
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| QUEEN vs Bee Boy reads as a town on town quotewar. I like the backing off by Bee Boy as well. Shinichi-kun said: Buddying. :(<3 *hugs crossbell has a good heart thats why Shinichi-kun said: My paranoia regarding scum!Shinichi is real here. This feels like Caught for the Wrong Reasons (getting angry that people are scumreading you for the wrong reasons).Wait so bcause she posted a reason for her meta change shes off the hook but i'm scum for the exact same reason so unfair :'( Shinichi-kun said: This feels somewhat town, though.Tempted to let myself get lynched so people can see this persoanlity change isn't alignment indictive at all. _Claire said: I actually played with you in Shounen Crossover (I defended you when you were scum heh).@Crossbell @Bee-boy I have not played with you before. I am looking forward to it :P I have no idea what to think of Shinichi. There are things that make me think that he is town ("when I die and flip town" and the statement above) but the angriness of being caught for the wrong reasons is drowning all of that out. I keep waiting for something super genuine from Shinichi and I am not really getting it? I have no idea how to read Claire so I'll let others read her, I think. My townread on Karote is strengthening though. |
| @Jackrito: I was gut town reading you yesterday (hence your inclusion on the "Gun to my head town" list) but I was re examining your posts today and I could not remember why I was townreadig you. Yeah, you should be moved closer to null, but I made that reads list before I reread you. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Quite annoying how every game where im town i get called anti town but when im actually scum no one pressures me this much lol i just can't be a townie without being anti town. Someone wants to pin point what makes me antitown game then go ahead but not gonna keep rereading the thread over and over to find more reasons that make me anti town cause i've come to conclusion i am anti-town townie accept that or lynch me so i can flip my town aligned role. So tempted to roleclaim because this dumb lmao hmm... the more I am reading this the more I am thinking this is town frustration. |
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| I'm so lost because there's still not enough activity from the whole player base to get a better scope of the game. This is annoying. |
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Kasai said: _Claire_ said: That is why I decided to put my vote on you :> Shinichi defending you is very weird, and I see no reason why he would do that, except his strong point of view. But most people already know how you play, it shouldnt be a problem. I will see if I can get something out of this. Should I start by, what is your general view atm? To be honest, a lot of people use meta-read to some extend. Some not so much, some more. Once again, I really don't want to have another meta-read argument, its like repeating me vs Queen all over again which I would rather not repeat. I play the games the way I see most fit. If most people dont agree, they cannot make me agree to something I dont want to agree. atta girl! Keep doing that. For that very same reason I became the so called lynch hot spot but won in the end so I guess you can do the same Now my general view is I dont have any thing. I am reading as I am posting right now what picked my attention the most was your statement saying that nobody checked soren and quickly labeled him as town. I have seen this before with other experienced players namely jack and grave. People tend to pick them as town leaders and if they turn up to be scums it would mean insta loss for town so for now I am trying to find Soren's posts other than that I found Izaya's (Kaito's) arguement with queen very intresting. Thats all I can say before completly catching up. Interesting in what way? What does it tell you about either one of our alignment? |
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| I might be tempted to agree with QUEEN's read on Jack. I like PentaFlare's case on Claire and I am tempted to agree with it also because that question time Claire was a hallmark of Shounen Crossover. I did not know her town meta though. @PentaFlare: Can you support this with some posts from Idol/Harry Potter? I have no idea what to make of Kasai's posts. They don't appear to contain any scumhunting or analysis though. His fear of town leaders being scum seems to be real though. OK, all caught up. I want to see more from Shinichi. Some of his posts feel town but the caught for the wrong reasons thing is really concerning. Unvote, vote Shinichi I am also willing to vote for Claire since I think Penta's meta read on her might be of some merit. |
| Kasai's posts seem so baseless for the most part, it is disappointing. Instead of appearing naturally scummy as he use to, feels like he is trying to hit a hard null with the way he's been playing, so strange. |
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Vote Count ★ 1.7 Crossbell (1)// Togs SightlessReality (1) // SightlessReality SoulEaterQUEEN (2) // aa-dono,Shinichi-kun, Soren (1)// deepinthelair Shinichi-kun (4)// Soren, SoulEaterQUEEN, Jackrito, Crossbell _Claire_ (2)// Karote, PentaFlare Kasai (1) // _Claire_ No lynch (1)// no_chode_name Not voting // Kasai, magicalofmagic, Bee-boy › Time until Night 1 ‹ |
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| _Claire_ has not struck me as being that odd, and I am a bit weary on Penta's aggression on her since that approach strikes me as a scum tell for him: passive as town, aggressive as scum. But he's getting strong town reads across the board which is making me feel inconfident in my own paranoia. _Claire_ is also behaving a bit defensive which seems to be her norm when she's town, but the asking of questions confuses me a little bit since I can't follow her thought process with it. @_Claire_ can I get some reads from you when you can? |
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| @Crossbell What happened to Togs? He's still in RVS. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Honestly, I am not sure what to expect of him. Does he normally play like this as town?Kasai's posts seem so baseless for the most part, it is disappointing. Instead of appearing naturally scummy as he use to, feels like he is trying to hit a hard null with the way he's been playing, so strange. |
Crossbell said: I might be tempted to agree with QUEEN's read on Jack. I like PentaFlare's case on Claire and I am tempted to agree with it also because that question time Claire was a hallmark of Shounen Crossover. I did not know her town meta though. @PentaFlare: Can you support this with some posts from Idol/Harry Potter? I have no idea what to make of Kasai's posts. They don't appear to contain any scumhunting or analysis though. His fear of town leaders being scum seems to be real though. OK, all caught up. I want to see more from Shinichi. Some of his posts feel town but the caught for the wrong reasons thing is really concerning. Unvote, vote Shinichi I am also willing to vote for Claire since I think Penta's meta read on her might be of some merit. I think I am going to cross check that myself. Though she rolled as scum only once which makes it a little harder. |
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Jackrito said: Crossbell said: I am town. Soren is town for showing critical thought about the game. He is being actively engaged and I like how he pointed out unaligned pairs, which reminds me of how Bee-Boy did it in Angel Beats! PentaFlare is town because he is asking good questions and working on solving the game. Hmm I just ISO'd Jackrito and I can't find the reasons why I thought he was town early game. @Bee-Boy: Why are you townreading Jack as opposed to last game? deepinthelair is town because of posts 315 and 316 which reads as natural. Isn't one of my stronger reads though. Karote is here because of gut and the "good boy" when Bee-Boy townread him. I also like the "are you too scared to vote" which I think stems from a townie mindset. Once again, not one of my stronger reads. QUEEN is here because of playstyle changes and intentionally positioning herself as low hanging fruit. Bee-Boy is here for true conviction when he was scumreading QUEEN. I'm voting lamby because of his disappearance and voting no lynch. Voting no lynch is suspicious during RVS because it shows that you don't want to pressure someone. I feel at this point in the game you should maybe have a read on Shinchi, Kasai and Claire I think all 3 have done enough for at least some slight reads either side. oh really. I am wondering your read about me |
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| OK, thanks for cross checking. I would do so myself but I am confined to a phone for most of today. |
SoulEaterQUEEN said: Kasai's posts seem so baseless for the most part, it is disappointing. Instead of appearing naturally scummy as he use to, feels like he is trying to hit a hard null with the way he's been playing, so strange. Glad you noticed the change. I am doing that intentionally the reason is I am not caught up with the game so I dont want to say anything that can be used towards me later on About why I find your discussion with Izaya intresting it is because town was completly distracted by it. I think that is what would scum want right? |
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Crossbell said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Honestly, I am not sure what to expect of him. Does he normally play like this as town?Kasai's posts seem so baseless for the most part, it is disappointing. Instead of appearing naturally scummy as he use to, feels like he is trying to hit a hard null with the way he's been playing, so strange. He's normally super defensive if someone points a finger at him. He's also a bit lazy and won't initiate scum hunting on his own unless someone pushes him. He mentioned he learned a few things since last time he's played with us. I'm feeling kind of funky with the whole Kaito + Kasai + PentaFlare dance. Kaito defending Kasai even though Kasai did not post yet, but this could just be Kaito's defending stance he normally does. PentaFlare dancing around his read on Kaito and feeling inconfident about it, and then counter pressuring with a _Claire_ meta scum read when _Claire_ points fingers at Kasai. I need to re-read the thread to substantiate this more as I believe this is a merely a wild theory at this point. But I might as well put my thoughts out there. |
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