So now that we are almost over with this season, best ship for Yuu?

gum_drop said:


Saved her right there like a hero >//< <3
I, too didn't notice he grabbed her hand at first.
I rewinded just to repeat that scene to see it again and as soon as I noticed that, I squealed! -owo-


it looked cuter when Yuu rescued Shinoa and did that :3 just my opinion.
And the thing where they hold hands like that as kids? It's brotherly to me.

Thess said:
I think the prettiest is Asuramaru (yes even more than Krul), but I'm not really impressed by pretty boys. I prefer manlier characters like Crowley.

Thess said:
They are both familial to Yuu...

But of course Mika and Guren are more important than Shinoa and the others.

straggy said:
It's so fucking hilarious when people that ship him with Shinoa say shit like "Yuu views Mika as family!!!" when he calls Shinoa his family repeatedly too lmao.

straggy said:
It's so fucking hilarious when people that ship him with Shinoa say shit like "Yuu views Mika as family!!!" when he calls Shinoa his family repeatedly too lmao.

friendlypancake said:
so disgusting how people try to invalidate gay ship as "fujo-bait"
y'all need to realise one thing: it might be for sales,yes (the reason he even writes in the first place is most likely for money,surprise), but your typical "boy meets girl" hetero romance (which isn't even mutual) is there for the same purpose - not to lose the money of the homophobic audience that tries really hard to forget that there is textual romantic shit going on between two boys (you can look at it differently, true) BUT by saying it's just "fujo-bait" you basically invalidate the possibily of gay relationship just in general, and it's homophobic in itself
and if you deny the possibily of two people loving each other because of the gender idk you're kinda heartless

Mel96 said:

True. He calls everyone family.
People don't seem to understand the meaning of family in ons.

straggy said:


What are you defining as family? I don't think Yuu's view of family is skewed at all. You don't have to be related to be family.

Mel96 said:

No, I didn't mean that.
Think about it for a moment, who does Yuu call his family?
Everyone he loves and cherishes.
It's not the "siblings" kind of family where, for example, dating one of your family would make it incest.
It's about the people you care about the most.
They even make a contrast with the Hiiragis that, in spite of the fact that they're related by blood, they don't share a close bond at all.
Guren even tells Yuu the Shinoa Squad is his new family in episode 6 of the first season and, if I'm not wrong? Guren Squad also said they're a family.

straggy said:


But that's what family is? Family isn't something you have to limit by number, it's everyone you love and want to protect, that you live with and cherish. That includes extended family. People these days have step-families, half-siblings, multiple marriages and connections that bring them together. Especially when you think about how none of these characters have parents, and all lost them when teenagers at the very oldest, wanting to make a family they can hold onto with their comrades is incredibly understandable. Yes, Guren has two families. He has his "brothers" and "sisters", his squad, and his "children", Yuu's squad.

Mel96 said:

That's your own opinion.
But it's obvious that the one who designs the character knows better. He saying that means Mika is canonically the most beautiful character in ons.

Chiibi said:


No, he doesn't "know better" because beauty is subjective. Don't be ridiculous....it's like arguing over what COLOR is better.

Tsukkimaru said:


Why are people fighting over character beauty now? Sure the designer purposely made Mika the most 'beautiful' but people will disagree, it's like I agree Mika is the most beautiful, not just in looks but in his actions and personality as well. It's like there's probably someone who thinks Shinoa is pretty whereas she's a real plain jane to me and I also find her personality flat. People will always disagree, no one is 'correct' just stick to yourselves but also understand that people like things differently to you.

Mel96 said:

I just disagree with that "pretty boys" thing... Men can be beautiful too, idk, I thought what they said sounded weird.

kurapikasass said:


You said this perfectly. 100% agree

Serena_Wu said:
Also, it is kind of impossible in shounen, but we'll see right?

Tsukkimaru said:

I hate this, that a single genre can control so much. Yeah sure, the anime/manga is more towards the male audience, but why does that mean you can't have diversity? Surely, it's actually good to have a healthy gay couple that still kicks ass and doesn't drag the show away from the plot, because it gets rid of the whole gay 'stereotype' that a lot of shounen-ai and yaoi shows have (like junjou romantica, *shivers* I hate that one) where they're either extremely flamboyant or have strict top/bottom qualities. Even the shows with canon gay characters use them as comedy types, or show them in some bad light, or even when they portray them normally but then have them die (Kaworu and Akise will never be forgotten)

Mika and Yuu are so close to being canon, especially with the new PSvita game giving us more reasons to think so. I really hope Kagami does something with them, and not turn it around and make some stereotypical and flat hetero romance happen, because he would hurt a lot more people than he would please.

yuyyuka said:


And I hate to break this bubble, but it's because the manga is under JUMP SQ and it has the genre of Shounen, plus both Yuu and Mika are it's protagonists, so no matter how much we get hints that Yuu and Mika are close to canon, it will only be that: close to canon. Even if one of them was a homosexual or both, I doubt Kagami would make them canon unless he moved the manga to another magazine? I am not sure how this works.

Japan is still behind with representing homosexuality without the top/bottom roles or have homosexuals in not a bad/comedy light most of the time, as you said. I am not saying every anime/manga do that because heck there are many examples out there with homosexual characters that their sexuality doesn't affect the plot and when it does it's about romance (If this romance is written good or bad, that's another topic).
So, as much as I would like for Yuu and Mika to be canon, the things we both mentioned won't lead there. Of course never lose hope so If Kagami does it, I will applaud him.

And I am not sure what to expect if a hetero romance happens, but I hope it's not written bad. I will accept anything as long as Kagami writes it well. At the same time the PSVita game gives very cute moments, I liked the one about Yuu wanting to take care of children with Mika after the war ends and has returned Mika back to a human.

Edit: The ridiculous thing about this is that, if Yuu or Mika was a female, people would either ship them because of the hints they get and say 'canon', don't ship for w/e reason but still won't deny there is an actual high chance of happening or not care (they are some who don't care to ship in a story). But because of all the things mentioned and especially because both of them are MCs it's incredible hard for it to become canon. It's just a damn sex between their legs, but it still can change so much things regarding romance especially between same sex characters that share a deep emotional bond.

Tsukkimaru said:

Don't worry, I understand the only way they'll be romantically canon is if Kagami does some drastic business, I'm just hoping he gives us something. (i.e not killing them)

I'm just glad we have No.6, at least that gives us slim hope for future homosexual couples, I just hope we can get past the whole 'genre' issue, that seriously frustrates me to no end.

That's how sad the 'world' is, that even if the love is mutual and the relationship is healthy just because they're the same gender they get ridiculed, and then same-gender relations get praised and get called 'normal', and then in shows or books etc. they get called 'canon' even if they just compliment each other.

yuyyuka said:


No.6 is a special case and the only one I know. It was published under the 'Aria' mangazine, which specializes for romance/josei series such as K.

The genre issue rarely happens and it mostly involves genres such as shounen -> seinen. Seraph will be difficult to move from action, dark phantasy under JUMP to something with romance to another magazine. Kagami can add the romance genre without changing magazines.

Yup. This is how the world is now. We can't do much, but I believe this will change little by little in many parts of the world. Maybe not in our generation but I believe later on, it will.

MetaKite said:

Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with both of you concerning No.6 as a canon homosexual couple (even though as far as I believe, Shion and Nezumi are a couple in love). This is because the author Atsuko Asano said in an interview herself they are not romantically involved but are a platonic relationship. To me this is BS because their story is told like a couple falling in love with Shion head over heels for Nezumi and Nezumi being the stubborn person in denial. Despite the fact she says they are not and it was published under the shojo genre, you can't convince me that those 2 were not in love.

So to me it was a huge cop out for her to say they are platonic and to end the novel's epilogue where she did. I mean really, Shion opens the window to welcome Nezumi back into his arms but then it just ends there? Why so no obvious and inevitable kiss between them???? Total cop out. However, we can't really "argue against" the author so I have to disagree on saying they are canon because Asano says they are not. I can even look up a link to the interview if you can read Japanese.

straggy said:
@everyone in this thread saying shonen animes can't have gay ends... You obviously didn't watch Samurai Flamenco. There was a proposal, the song they played over the last scene was a love song, and they later released official art of them getting married. There's also the fact that SF had a polyamorous lesbian relationship between an idol trio. Anime's gonna start changing eventually and it's gonna bite you all in the ass if you think it's gonna stay strictly straight forever.

yuyyuka said:


The creator of SF said in an interview that there is no 'gay ending' with the protagonists. I agree with you that all the scenes especially towards to the end screamed 'canon' but as in the case of No.6 that MetaKite mentioned, if the creator says 'No Homo' we like it or not and we see the evidence in front of our eyes, if the creator says it, we can't do anything about it sadly.

I don't remember if he said anything about the polyamorous lesbian relationship though. I can send you the interview if you want. It does sound silly but they basically said "(ホモ的なことは) なにもありません。(something like “it’s nothing (gay-like)”)"

:/

MetaKite said:


Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with both of you concerning No.6 as a canon homosexual couple (even though as far as I believe, Shion and Nezumi are a couple in love). This is because the author Atsuko Asano said in an interview herself they are not romantically involved but are a platonic relationship. To me this is BS because their story is told like a couple falling in love with Shion head over heels for Nezumi and Nezumi being the stubborn person in denial. Despite the fact she says they are not and it was published under the shojo genre, you can't convince me that those 2 were not in love.

So to me it was a huge cop out for her to say they are platonic and to end the novel's epilogue where she did. I mean really, Shion opens the window to welcome Nezumi back into his arms but then it just ends there? Why so no obvious and inevitable kiss between them???? Total cop out. However, we can't really "argue against" the author so I have to disagree on saying they are canon because Asano says they are not. I can even look up a link to the interview if you can read Japanese.

Tsukkimaru said:


I hate this, that a single genre can control so much. Yeah sure, the anime/manga is more towards the male audience, but why does that mean you can't have diversity? Surely, it's actually good to have a healthy gay couple that still kicks ass and doesn't drag the show away from the plot, because it gets rid of the whole gay 'stereotype' that a lot of shounen-ai and yaoi shows have (like junjou romantica, *shivers* I hate that one) where they're either extremely flamboyant or have strict top/bottom qualities. Even the shows with canon gay characters use them as comedy types, or show them in some bad light, or even when they portray them normally but then have them die (Kaworu and Akise will never be forgotten)

Mika and Yuu are so close to being canon, especially with the new PSvita game giving us more reasons to think so. I really hope Kagami does something with them, and not turn it around and make some stereotypical and flat hetero romance happen, because he would hurt a lot more people than he would please.

Tsukkimaru said:

Why are all creators sadists? I guess it's effective though, stir up some publicity, to be honest I'd probably do the same, become the most liked and hated author that you can. At least you'd be remembered.

Mel96 said:

Wow... this is really disappointing...
Is it this one: http://listenforthelove.tumblr.com/post/80685105840/atsuko-asano-interview-no-6-complete-guide ? Or where does she say that? I believe you but I want to read it too.

yuyyuka said:


The creator of SF said in an interview that there is no 'gay ending' with the protagonists. I agree with you that all the scenes especially towards to the end screamed 'canon' but as in the case of No.6 that MetaKite mentioned, if the creator says 'No Homo' we like it or not and we see the evidence in front of our eyes, if the creator says it, we can't do anything about it sadly.

I don't remember if he said anything about the polyamorous lesbian relationship though. I can send you the interview if you want. It does sound silly but they basically said "(ホモ的なことは) なにもありません。(something like “it’s nothing (gay-like)”)"

:/

Tsukkimaru said:

Why are all creators sadists?

straggy said:
Also I've never seen No. 6 but... don't the guys literally kiss in it? lol

Mel96 said:

Yep :/ twice

Chiibi said:
.....seriously all I want is for everyone important to stay alive. If no ships sail, that's ok. PLEASE, JUST STAY ALIVE.

Tsukkimaru said:


This is honestly the most important thing right now, I am actually scared about the last episode, if anyone dies I am going to be heartbroken and by probability Yuu or Mika (or both) are the most likely ones and I am honestly so worried, I don't want my babies to die...

straggy said:

lmao, who gives a shit what the creator said, that's the single most ridiculous backtracking I've ever heard in my life. That's like when kids say they haven't eaten the chocolate when it's smeared all over their face. It's amazing the levels people'll go to to deny anything homosexual, even saying that sorta shit after the show's official mobile card game had them get married. Unless it was a not-gay marriage between two guys?

Also I've never seen No. 6 but... don't the guys literally kiss in it? lol

Chiibi said:

.....seriously all I want is for everyone important to stay alive. If no ships sail, that's ok. PLEASE, JUST STAY ALIVE.

yuyyuka said:


Edit: Whenever I see your icon I get sad because we didn't see this panel in the anime.

aifukola said:
I think some people are kind of missing the point of ships, like who ever said it needs to be canon or even have the possibility to be canon?

Personally I think this show won't come up with any canon pairings. But if it does, I think for Yuu the most obvious choice would be Shinoa.

But that doesn't have anything to do with who I ship Yuu with.

The whole show gives a possibility to ship Yuu with basically anyone. Or just everyone.

Personally I ship Yuu with Mika, but also with Shinoa. I was gonna say also all three of them, but idk I need to see more of Mika/Shinoa interaction before I actually decide on this.

People seriously need to chill with their ships like ok ship whatever you want but also let others have their own ships. Gay or straight all the same.

Tsukkimaru said:


This is honestly the most important thing right now, I am actually scared about the last episode, if anyone dies I am going to be heartbroken and by probability Yuu or Mika (or both) are the most likely ones and I am honestly so worried, I don't want my babies to die...

frenze12 said:


2 boys kissing is abnormal? Na that's totally a normal platonic "no homo" relationship ;). It's right up there next to the "romantic yuri friendship, because it's normal for 2 girls to experiment/have feelings for each other during highschool but end up straight anyway".


Never change japan, we love you <3

Tsukkimaru said:


I mostly agree with you, shipping is supposed to be for fun, but everyone has that ship they want to be canon, and with Kagami basically hand-feeding us the Mikayuu probability we want to believe it has a chance, that's why most shipwars in this fandom are brought on by people saying stuff like 'it won't happen because they're family', 'Yuu doesn't see him that way', 'he'd obviously pick Shinoa because it's a shounen and she's a girl', because there's too much evidence toward Mikayuu that you simply can't brush it off on these things.

I don't agree with your 'his obvious choice would be Shinoa', I personally think that if Yuu had the chance for romance it'd go right over his head, he's too.. well.. dense in that area, obviously he understands the notation (cue episode 3) but I don't think he's interested in it right now, and even if he was, it most likely wouldn't be with anyone from his squad because they're all his family(yes even Mika)

But if we're going for his 'personal feelings' (as in his character, none of this irl, 'genre' or 'social' crap) he would probably go for Mika, because they have by far the strongest bond out of anyone, they're compatible in personality, they both admire each other, and they're feelings are mutual, and personally in a post-apocalyptic world I don't think 'social pressure' would exist (i.e they wouldn't get ridiculed for it)(especially since it's also kinda confirmed Shinya is gay, so why not eh?)

But, in all honestly Yuu is probably going to die in the end (or Mika, or both) so nothing will be 'canon' (unless both die - cue bittersweet Mika and Yuu reuniting with the rest of the orphanage)

hirahira said:
I was the only one who voted for Yoichi. How sad.