SoulEaterQUEEN said: _Claire_ said: I think I have explained this. I dont think this is Penta's scum game as I recalled from Harry Potter game. In Harry Potter game, if he is scum, he only take risks when the situation is dire. The way he is making his point and pushes aa-dono lynch is indicative that he actually has real lead. Even though he says this is gut feeling or he notices her playing differently, I dont know why I feel like he actually has something because he changes his scum-read of me so fast in the beginning of day 2. At the same time, I feel like aa-dono has been questioning a lot too, back-ed up by your post and such. Another is I keep on believing him as scum because I have been deceived too many times by him and I innocently believe him, I dont want this to happen in this game. I am not scum-reading him, but me being deceived by him when he is scum is clouding my judgement of him atm. Ah so you are in the bias wagon with me then. I am going to guess you think aa-dono is scummy though given your vote is on her, right? I scum-read Crossbell more atm, but seeing the opportunity to convince myself of Pentaflare's alignment makes me think this will be a great opportunity, even though I am still scared of mislynch. It is Day 2, so I am not as desperate and scared of mislynch. As about Pentaflare, better to make sure of his alignment now or later, I can see him being powerful in late game. He can easily convince people of his innocence I swear I dont know how he does it .__. The thing is, Pentaflare pushing the lynch on aa-dono and leading this lynch train on her is making me a bit wary, but I want to see more of aa-dono's response. I suggest we are not tunnel-reading her atm, it seems we are clouded by Pentaflare's post against her atm. I am not gonna lie, but I am very wary to Pentaflare and his alignment takes priority atm. Even though the fact we probably only have 1 vig and he is dead is making me wary too, hopefully we are making the correct decision this day phase. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: no_chode_name said: "Manlier" yeeaahh sure, though putting it in the "right place" at the time being doesn't really add anything. I can wait to see what comes of the current pile-on concerning aa. Even if they've been repped, this is still somewhere to fall back on if that many people really are heading in the wrong direction, seeing as D1 had a fair bit of simple back'n'forth and eventually just went with a lynch for the hell of it with little to no regret koz people seemed to believe there were no other viable choices. Are you suggesting we should vote the replacement out if there's no other option, why? I'm happy to see the current votes go through if it's in the right place, but I'm not really just going to jump in and wait to watch everyone just sit on it and kill off town. Being a rep doesn't mean your alignment changes, actions prior to that still look bad and they're not something you should over-look or dish out free immunity to. Soren did mention the whole "one at a time thing" but resting on a wrong turn instead of taking another stab before time's up and covering 2 over 1. Even if it ends up worse, narrowing shit down is still something you'll need to do instead of drawing blanks and patting one anothers back within a set group.... and with that kind of an approach from as many people as it seems in this game PoE might not be enough when working through it so slowly. |
no_chode_name said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Are you suggesting we should vote the replacement out if there's no other option, why? I'm happy to see the current votes go through if it's in the right place, but I'm not really just going to jump in and wait to watch everyone just sit on it and kill off town. Being a rep doesn't mean your alignment changes, actions prior to that still look bad and they're not something you should over-look or dish out free immunity to. Soren did mention the whole "one at a time thing" but resting on a wrong turn instead of taking another stab before time's up and covering 2 over 1. Even if it ends up worse, narrowing shit down is still something you'll need to do instead of drawing blanks and patting one anothers back within a set group.... and with that kind of an approach from as many people as it seems in this game PoE might not be enough when working through it so slowly. I'm still not seeing past a null read on Magic. You want to PoE it without digging further, sounds sketch. Is that what you are getting at? |
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Vote Count ★ 2.3 DenjaX (1)// no_chode_name aa-dono (9// SoulEaterQUEEN, Karote, Soren, _Claire_, Jackrito, PentaFlare, Crossbell,SightlessReality _Claire_ (1) // DenjaX deepinthelair (1)// deepinthelair Not voting // Kasai, , aa-dono, Transience › Time until Night 2 ‹ |
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Kasai said: Crossbell said: Why is Soren always scum to you? If you think Soren is always scum, then what do you think of the consensus townreads on him, and why aren't you trying to case him or convince us that we are wrong? Do you just plan to do nothing until we find scum? Keep in mind that you need to pitch in as well. The reason is I dont know. He was there at my beginners mafia game and eversince then I started to see him as scum every game. Also about trying to stop trying to prove soren is scum every game as it is hurtful to town rather than being helpful since they are mostly delusions.About his list I dont really trust it. I dont think about it at all at least not untill some of his reads die otherwise I cant prove anything. I dont plan to stay back. I comment on things that I wonder about or I think that is important. Do you know how many times he flipped scum in these games because I don't think he gets it that much. This just comes across as a biased view to do with his style perhaps like Shinchi, Claire and others always see me as bad. So not sure I will read into it too much. Also based off this ou think he is scum this game then? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: It's more or less his usual self when he plays town :/ defensive and paranoid at the high level, I typically mislynch him because of it since I find it so scummy. I would agree this the more I think about it though not sure if he ever has been scum when I have played with him, So not sure if he is as scummy when bad I would assume he plays the same though . |
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aa-dono said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Told you. Because Penta is the one who broke the tie that Lamb made on Bee-boy. There were other options at that time but he was the one who made Bee-boy a leading lynch. That's why I townread him. Just because I don't trust everyone, doesn't mean I think they're all scum.Hmm yes but why JUST Penta is the point being driven here. Also, are saying you are scum reading all of us except Soren? If so, why have you not casted your vote yet so you can dig deeper? Activity is null. But effort put in the game should still giving you clues on the alignment since effort should lead to quality posts filled with game thoughts. If you want to know what I think, I think you are hesitating on pointing figures and I want to know WHY you are. And it's a blunder on my part. I wanted to see if Bee-boy really is scum so I was just waiting around phase change, and trying to strenthen reads on Crossbell. Though the one who answered to those posts is you and not him. This seems like a really passive approuch to have at a vital point of the game waiting to see what happens. |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: Why scumread me when you made no mention of me in your long post?Ok this is my thoughts on day one, and all the actions in that day, this will be pretty long so I will do a spoiler for those who don't care and have a simple read list under it like in the Angel beats game. End of part 1 at page 11 Not going to lie I'm really lacking the moviation to do this like I normally would and I don't blame anyone for not reading this. Strong town- Queen,,Soren slight town- Kasai,Penta(I could go either way with Penta),Claire Nulll- Magic/Denja,Togs/transicence, Sightless Slight scum aa-dono, Crossbell, no_chode_name, Karote,Deepinthelair This is far from my best work, and I'm sorry for it I feel a bit burnt out perhaps. That readlist is a mix of my overview of the game and reread so far. It says at the bottom that reread list is a mix of my reread and my views off the top of my head at the time. up to that point in my reread you have done nothing. The fact I say this and you still ask this worries me. If you want the reasons why it was because you were playing similar to Angel questions all the time with no commitment to scum hunting it is what Lucian does when bad appear to be active but actually do little to help the overall game. |
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aa-dono said: Crossbell said: I play as I do all the time, not really sure how to play otherwise. So I get why I'm a null read. More curious on Penta finding me odd. But right now I'm townreading him.So I am confused here - you start off here thinking PentaFlare is scum, then you quickly reverse to a townread on him? I think Penta is town, btw. I've literally explained my deepinthelair and Kasai reads for like two/three times now. As for you, I don't particularly remember much you've done, and you seem to be playing in a similar way to Angel Beats, which is why I am scumreading you. @aa-dono: When you come back to the thread, can you give me a town scum list with reasoning? Who do you think is town, and who do you think is scum? You do realize this is all pure WiFOM, right? Who do you think is scum? Because of last phase vote and current questioning, I think Soul might be scum, but it's only based on how she's jumping on other people scumreads. Readlists... I'll make them when I'm not in between breaks. If she was just jumping on them and doing nothing I would agree Queen may be bad but she is pressureing the person each time and judfgeing thier reations and getting thier mindset it does not appear to me as someone who is going for a easyy lynch. So why is it bad? |
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aa-dono said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: As much as I want to, I can only do that once I'm free from RL duties.dono, that read list. Get cracking or you are getting lynched today. Anyway, now that I mention that, gonna go back to it. Something I want to drop here: - I am town. But I'm not so very opposed to my lynch if my play is so anti town. But - what info will you get when that happens? (this is knowledge purpose. I'm just very curious) You are town but happy to die still, what messed up mindset is this so you want us to miynch you and lose a day, this is not a townmindset. Is this a guilt attempt? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: This is the type of thing Denja does when scum from my exp the link game to make people look bad, he plans ways to set people up and this could be one of them. I don't have enough exp with his town game though to know if he scumhunts this way so anyone who knows I appreciate it. That's a wild theory at this point. What is denja's or mine that I think he may be scum because it is the type of stuff he does when he pulls scum. If it is mine how is that different from thinking Dono is scum based off her posting style or Kasai and Claire been paranoid when town. |
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no_chode_name said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: I wish that could tell us more since I don't have any idea of why I was picked :/ Sounds like scums RB in all honesty, you were one of the leading town-reads among the public.... also you're probably a little more thourough in your thought patterns concerning targeting and interaction than Kaito. He was shot down for having an alarmingly strong start to a game going by his usual standards, he pulled off solid work in getting himself and potentially others in the green tbh.... I was actually proud of that kid and surprised he didn't get the prot overnight..... No doc or one of the in-actives but yeeaahhhh saw that one coming a mile away *cough* Not getting anyone else shot in the head or anything <.< I would disagree with this she was not a leading town read by most she was suspected most of day one, I would agree with you on the Kaito part though he had a good start for him espically I think that went aganist him. I think the doctor never saved him because they may of seen better options to save he would not of been my first choice tbh. Since I could see mafia trying to frame him later on if he fell back into his old ways. |
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Crossbell said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Well I'm pretty sure that makes you even more town, since I have no idea why scum would announce that in the thread.I wish that could tell us more since I don't have any idea of why I was picked :/ I think she is town but they are many reasons why a scum would do it, they is no proof that the RB is even true apart from her word, you are far too trusting. |
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_Claire_ said: Soren said: One at a time. No, I am just interested in why you are choosing magical out of three, and not only that you dont even mention the other two names, but you are hard pressing magical. You can suggest we annoy three of them, but only magical. This sounds fishy to me for some reason. But after that you pressed Togs, I will let this point go as I feel it is going nowhere, and you probably are just thinking "one at a time". Soren said: You have scum reads but are not pressuring them nor voting them. Why? I am not the type of person who votes directly after I read them as "probable" scum. I usually think about their actions, if it makes sense or not, and then draw a conclusion from there and then vote. I don't usually change my vote all over the places, except in Day 1 probably because I am going in blindly. Now we have at least a lead from Penta's action, I was digesting this information and whether I should choose Penta/aa-dono. SoulEaterQUEEN said: Installment # 2 I don't understand how relevant the comparison to Claire came into play here. A naked unvote does not imply he won't use his vote again on someone else. Sounds like info to dish out, why not vote Crossbell to confirm this yourself? I was pushing on a null here. Your vote still on RVS, why hesitate on the commitment, why did you wait to cast your vote here? I don't see how asking this question was important since you already knew the answer to it based on commentary. Again lack of your own thoughts here. These questions should have been answered from your own end as well, imo. More questions on irrelevant matters from your scum read. why not take the time to pursue your scum read? A bit late with this vote. Again she moves away from her scum read and asking more questions, oh the sense of urgency before deadline is still not here. Defending Crossbell instead of pursuing her scum read again. Why are you making your scum read so quiet in the thread? There's no pressure when questioning her scum read. Sounds like you are town-reading Crossbell, and even defending them here. But does not like their vote on Lamby for whatever reason. Were you trying to fish for a town read on Claire by asking why she lost interest in you? Also when you did this post what was your read on Claire here? More questions, no analysis was made here. I see. This makes sense to your recent post now. You make comment on the meta here, but you mentioned that you don't like to use meta. What's with the change? Are you scum reading Crossbell here? Do you still scum read him if you are? SO much interest in Crossbell here, it's almost like you have a crush on him. I'm also getting wish-washy dancing around Crossbell one moment you are suspicious/interested, the other seems like you are defending him. From these posts on interest in Crossbell, I expect to see a pursue on Crossbell but the vote is still on Karote :/ someone who she is scum reading isn't really get a lot of attention. But they are still your main scum read, but yet I detect some uncertainty even though you vote to lynch them today - was that not your intention? So much Crossbell interest, it's too real. ===== Placeholder page, finished pg 18 From this reading I can see a bit how she has a lot of interest in Crossbell almost like she is defending him. Though what this means when her alignment is flipped, I still need to reread. SoulEaterQUEEN said: Wow. I didn't even really suspect you >.> but thanks for the info even though I didn't even directly ask. I can see Kasai's point but we can use reverse psychology here. If used right, it could manipulate others' thinking, but you are just so defensive recently I feel like something is off. You were not always that defensive because you knew you played scummy and got suspected a lot. I dont remember this aggression from my previous games of you. Jackrito said: Ok this is my thoughts on day one, and all the actions in that day, this will be pretty long so I will do a spoiler for those who don't care and have a simple read list under it like in the Angel beats game. End of part 1 at page 11 Not going to lie I'm really lacking the moviation to do this like I normally would and I don't blame anyone for not reading this. Strong town- Queen,,Soren slight town- Kasai,Penta(I could go either way with Penta),Claire Nulll- Magic/Denja,Togs/transicence, Sightless Slight scum aa-dono, Crossbell, no_chode_name, Karote,Deepinthelair This is far from my best work, and I'm sorry for it I feel a bit burnt out perhaps. That readlist is a mix of my overview of the game and reread so far. Jack that read-list is only up until page 11, I would want a more recent read. Page 11- now is a big gap. Can you explain your town-read on Kasai, or this is biased because he always plays scum, being town or scum? SoulEaterQUEEN said: I definitely agree with this being a good way to alleviate suspicion on him if aa-dono flips scum. Also think Crossbell might have some association with aa-dono since I am reading a lot of interest in Crossbell which who has bit of a less impact on this game so far. Also another is, I find Crossbell too much leaning into others' opinions, and as I mention before it sounds like someone who is trying to get the good side of good and exp players. He has no solid opinions of the game himself. I want to look into him here, but aa-dono comes first atm as I am interested in Penta's alignment. If there is anyone that I am being paranoid about in this game, it is Penta and if I can get a clue of his alignment, I can be less biased about my paranoid. PentaFlare said: Okay. I'm caught up. I did not have a really solid read on aa-dono. I thought she seemed just a little bit off, but I wasn't confident in my ability to read her. What really bothered me was that she had been moving almost completely under the radar and that most people seemed to be ignoring her or had forgotten about her. My main goal in calling her out was to try and make other players think about her actions this game. I'm glad it worked out as I was hoping and that I'm not the only one who found herher behaviour odd. I didn't have a special reason for not voting. I was just rushed and forgot. I'm glad I didn't though because her reaction which focused on my lack of vote was very interesting. My town read is a bit biased on Kasai but I feel he is doing what I expect him to do as town and how easily he wanted to claim he is paranoid and oes poor actions because of it like you do at times. Vote: aa-dono Penta, you said you were going to read deeply into me in day 2, why are you not doing so? 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SoulEaterQUEEN said: no_chode_name said: I'll just fix the claim while there's still a bit of time prior to phase change, I think it should have rested for long enough.... though I can't be 100% sure about the in-actives and such. There shouldn't be any millers in the set-up ahahaha :S Also the whole fluffing about wondering if flavoured role claiming was allowed was just additional masking whilst hoping it came across as at-least a little more authentic.... not all roles are flavoured as such. I KNEW IT. I knew this was a lie >.> Vanilla miller, really? :p for what reason you did this is beyond me though. Yeah I thought as much Lamb would not claim his actual role so easy, I still dislike this though since Miller claim means a cop would not check him and I see this as scum intent but Lamb is strange so they may be some town motive like not wanting town to waste a check on him but I hate this. |
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no_chode_name said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Are you suggesting we should vote the replacement out if there's no other option, why? I'm happy to see the current votes go through if it's in the right place, but I'm not really just going to jump in and wait to watch everyone just sit on it and kill off town. Being a rep doesn't mean your alignment changes, actions prior to that still look bad and they're not something you should over-look or dish out free immunity to. Soren did mention the whole "one at a time thing" but resting on a wrong turn instead of taking another stab before time's up and covering 2 over 1. Even if it ends up worse, narrowing shit down is still something you'll need to do instead of drawing blanks and patting one anothers back within a set group.... and with that kind of an approach from as many people as it seems in this game PoE might not be enough when working through it so slowly. This to me just appears you are playing a very safe game and care more about yourself then the town which is added to by the fakeclaim so early, I would like it if you actually pushed stuff more then saying things like this. |
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| @SoulEaterQUEEN This is what I could manage going on off the PC --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Town-reads aa-dono - of course Soren -> (I don't get that scary scum vibe from Soren) - not sure if he changes the way he play, but scum Soren always gives me the scare -> I like his earlier posts. And him trying to get leads, even though I hate those methods. PentaFlare -> agressive. could be scum. I played scum with him before, at least one part I know is that as scum, he hunt for PR. He doesn't seem to be doing that in this game. More passive and observing. I hate his vote on me, but if his intention was reaction and gaining leads, I can understand that motive because Ari did it last game as well. Not so much Town aka mafia SoulEaterQUEEN I'm sorry. Upon re-reading, I think you're leaning town. I might have just been annoyed because you think I'm scum. But you have a lot of posts to digest, and going up and down between Soul's town?mafia?..... I'll get back to reading your posts later. Kasai Very defensive even when he's not the subject. SightlessReality As town (although doesn't explain much), he feels more level headed. Now his votes felt like sheep. Karote I hate how my gut on him clears too fast with one respond. Call it bias, I don't trust Karote. He's too smooth. Jackrito Pointed out how unsure he is with a lot of things. I don't like it. Everyone could hide behind uncertainty. Can't scumread him too much because I think his vote on Bee-boy was his genuine thoughts. _Claire_ I like her read on Crossbell, though I don't get the suspicion over Penta if she's gonna agree with him and vote for me. I won't flip scum, but I still believe Penta to be town. And her whole not believing Penta is based on paranoia. With this reasoning, she could say Penta is not clear yet when I'm lynched. no_chode_name #1353 - Happy with my lynch but not joining in, and hinting the possibility that I could be town. (I never get Lamb) but this post seems like "yes yes go and lynch. I'm not gonna participate in a town lynch just because she seemed scummy. But well she could be scum, so let it be". I would say it's odd, but I did the same thing when Bell-boy was gonna be lynched so he might be town for this. Still, will nt ignore the fact that he wouldn't join the lynch (isn't that what he doesn't like about Crossbell?) Also, pointed out things about Soren (I have no idea if it's an accusation or just complaint) but anyway still resting his vote on magical. Where's magical/Denja pressure? #1322 - role fishing? Crossbell Pointed out lack of scumhunt here and there but never push his own reads the way he does when he was town. Suddenly went "oh aa-dono is playing just like she did in Angelbeats". I play like this all the time, hence I'm worried about night kills because I knew doctors wouldn't protect me. I'm trying to improve scumhunt as I play. Also in #1301 he said Kasai had no malicious intent in his posts. Is that scum-indicative? Not everyone have an aggressive playstyle. Seems like he's taking advantage of players who seems scummy. null Deepinthelair DenjaX/magicalofmagic Transience/Togs |
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aa-dono said: @SoulEaterQUEEN This is what I could manage going on off the PC --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Town-reads aa-dono - of course Soren -> (I don't get that scary scum vibe from Soren) - not sure if he changes the way he play, but scum Soren always gives me the scare -> I like his earlier posts. And him trying to get leads, even though I hate those methods. PentaFlare -> agressive. could be scum. I played scum with him before, at least one part I know is that as scum, he hunt for PR. He doesn't seem to be doing that in this game. More passive and observing. I hate his vote on me, but if his intention was reaction and gaining leads, I can understand that motive because Ari did it last game as well. Not so much Town aka mafia SoulEaterQUEEN I'm sorry. Upon re-reading, I think you're leaning town. I might have just been annoyed because you think I'm scum. But you have a lot of posts to digest, and going up and down between Soul's town?mafia?..... I'll get back to reading your posts later. Kasai Very defensive even when he's not the subject. SightlessReality As town (although doesn't explain much), he feels more level headed. Now his votes felt like sheep. Karote I hate how my gut on him clears too fast with one respond. Call it bias, I don't trust Karote. He's too smooth. Jackrito Pointed out how unsure he is with a lot of things. I don't like it. Everyone could hide behind uncertainty. Can't scumread him too much because I think his vote on Bee-boy was his genuine thoughts. _Claire_ I like her read on Crossbell, though I don't get the suspicion over Penta if she's gonna agree with him and vote for me. I won't flip scum, but I still believe Penta to be town. And her whole not believing Penta is based on paranoia. With this reasoning, she could say Penta is not clear yet when I'm lynched. no_chode_name #1353 - Happy with my lynch but not joining in, and hinting the possibility that I could be town. (I never get Lamb) but this post seems like "yes yes go and lynch. I'm not gonna participate in a town lynch just because she seemed scummy. But well she could be scum, so let it be". I would say it's odd, but I did the same thing when Bell-boy was gonna be lynched so he might be town for this. Still, will nt ignore the fact that he wouldn't join the lynch (isn't that what he doesn't like about Crossbell?) Also, pointed out things about Soren (I have no idea if it's an accusation or just complaint) but anyway still resting his vote on magical. Where's magical/Denja pressure? #1322 - role fishing? Crossbell Pointed out lack of scumhunt here and there but never push his own reads the way he does when he was town. Suddenly went "oh aa-dono is playing just like she did in Angelbeats". I play like this all the time, hence I'm worried about night kills because I knew doctors wouldn't protect me. I'm trying to improve scumhunt as I play. Also in #1301 he said Kasai had no malicious intent in his posts. Is that scum-indicative? Not everyone have an aggressive playstyle. Seems like he's taking advantage of players who seems scummy. null Deepinthelair DenjaX/magicalofmagic Transience/Togs Can I have some examples of this uncertaintyand why is this a bad thing I'm never certain on anything unless they is evidence to back it up, Has anyone in this game been certain on anything either this seems such a petty reason to suspect me and could be used on most. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: 1. Not saying he's not gonna vote again. I was looking into association >,> Because at that point Claire's vote doesn't seem unlikely to change and Jack removing vote made her leading. I was trying to say, "do you think Claire is so scummy when compared to Shinichi? - because, on the chance that no one remove vote, Claire will be lynched - and that I doubt town Jack would let another town lynched if he doesn't think they're scum." Anyway, that thought is nothing when Jack voted Bee-boy. 2. I vote for people when I think I have leads. At that point, it's just a thought on his fast dissolving train. There were not on him, more on those who voted for him and go. 3. So what if my vote was still in RVS? Never said it'll stay that way. And the reason I went back and check his posts was to confirm suspicion. 4. (On Jack -> Soul)I knew what his answer was. Just trying to make sure it wasn't biased. 5. I asked about Claire's reads because if she had the time to make a list on her thoughts, complete with url and reasons, means she probably took a lot of time to digest those thoughts. To put them in order etc etc. Yet her vote was still based on pressure and not leads. 6. And regarding Karote, see my answer is posts above above. 1. why are you looking into association when you had no scum leads of your own? 2. again, why are you focused on association (this is to do with Crossbell train) 3. Vote on RVS is a waste of pressure, the fact you were on RVS when you had suspicious shows you did not have an interest in scum hunting. 4. Does it matter? If you have concerns for my alignment, you should ask me directly. 5. I'll accept this. 1. Because I don't have a proper lead. So I have to trust on town's judgement. If they got it right, the next thing to do is find the next scum. So I was gathering what little possible that I could. 2. The train dissolve too fast. It's like scum was there and then when noticing how large it was decided to jump out immediately. That's the feeling that I got. 3. Interest and how people choose to use their votes varies, I think. You used to jump on everyone and then realize that it didn't work. I used to not even vote till last minute and that didn't work. Reason I don't switch vote on someone I don't want to lynch just yet is (1) I'm cautious, and hate if I mislynch (2) On the chance I get disconnected - which happens few times - what if I can't make it to change vote late on? 4. It does. And not about your alignment. I wanted to know why exactly did Jack defended you. See, it could be because he thinks you're town. But it could also be that he's scum and doing so would make you let down your guard. This is not an attack on your playstyle. I'm just trying to see if he using the whole in-tune with thoughts thing as scum. But well, I got questions, I'm not good at analyzing my own questions. So I still don't know. I can only trust both your words that you are able to know if one is playing differently. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: On day 1, I usually have only two reads or none at all: Town and non-town. He's just not in my town read.aa-dono said: He's already leading in votes. He wasn't my townread so I have no intention of defending him. Like mentioned, I went back to see if his flip will give me any leads on others. Was he your scum read? Why did you not mention he was your scum read beforehand? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Yesterday it was for info :Oaa-dono said: As much as I want to, I can only do that once I'm free from RL duties. Anyway, now that I mention that, gonna go back to it. Something I want to drop here: - I am town. But I'm not so very opposed to my lynch if my play is so anti town. But - what info will you get when that happens? (this is knowledge purpose. I'm just very curious) I don't want info, I want scum. Saying your alignment doesn't mean anything, there's no lie detector in this game. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: I replied why I was reading about it in previous post.Also this whole "looking for the association" is screaming SCUMMY to me. We have not caught a single scum yet. The most likely case that most scum won't openly associate at this point. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Are you scumreading Kasai here? Or are you pointing out that he's town with poor choice of words?Why do you question it, if you know you are town, you KNOW you are being framed for it - who else besides scum wants to frame you? |
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aa-dono said: Karote I hate how my gut on him clears too fast with one respond. Call it bias, I don't trust Karote. He's too smooth. |
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no_chode_name said: How would you know if they're heading for the wrong direction?SoulEaterQUEEN said: I felt like digging on the BS was just a distraction. Also where's that vote at, bro? Does voting for magic whose essentially repped out making you feel more manlier? "Manlier" yeeaahh sure, though putting it in the "right place" at the time being doesn't really add anything. I can wait to see what comes of the current pile-on concerning aa. Even if they've been repped, this is still somewhere to fall back on if that many people really are heading in the wrong direction, seeing as D1 had a fair bit of simple back'n'forth and eventually just went with a lynch for the hell of it with little to no regret koz people seemed to believe there were no other viable choices. |
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aa-dono said: @SoulEaterQUEEN This is what I could manage going on off the PC --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Town-reads aa-dono - of course Soren -> (I don't get that scary scum vibe from Soren) - not sure if he changes the way he play, but scum Soren always gives me the scare -> I like his earlier posts. And him trying to get leads, even though I hate those methods. PentaFlare -> agressive. could be scum. I played scum with him before, at least one part I know is that as scum, he hunt for PR. He doesn't seem to be doing that in this game. More passive and observing. I hate his vote on me, but if his intention was reaction and gaining leads, I can understand that motive because Ari did it last game as well. Not so much Town aka mafia SoulEaterQUEEN I'm sorry. Upon re-reading, I think you're leaning town. I might have just been annoyed because you think I'm scum. But you have a lot of posts to digest, and going up and down between Soul's town?mafia?..... I'll get back to reading your posts later. Kasai Very defensive even when he's not the subject. SightlessReality As town (although doesn't explain much), he feels more level headed. Now his votes felt like sheep. Karote I hate how my gut on him clears too fast with one respond. Call it bias, I don't trust Karote. He's too smooth. Jackrito Pointed out how unsure he is with a lot of things. I don't like it. Everyone could hide behind uncertainty. Can't scumread him too much because I think his vote on Bee-boy was his genuine thoughts. _Claire_ I like her read on Crossbell, though I don't get the suspicion over Penta if she's gonna agree with him and vote for me. I won't flip scum, but I still believe Penta to be town. And her whole not believing Penta is based on paranoia. With this reasoning, she could say Penta is not clear yet when I'm lynched. no_chode_name #1353 - Happy with my lynch but not joining in, and hinting the possibility that I could be town. (I never get Lamb) but this post seems like "yes yes go and lynch. I'm not gonna participate in a town lynch just because she seemed scummy. But well she could be scum, so let it be". I would say it's odd, but I did the same thing when Bell-boy was gonna be lynched so he might be town for this. Still, will nt ignore the fact that he wouldn't join the lynch (isn't that what he doesn't like about Crossbell?) Also, pointed out things about Soren (I have no idea if it's an accusation or just complaint) but anyway still resting his vote on magical. Where's magical/Denja pressure? #1322 - role fishing? Crossbell Pointed out lack of scumhunt here and there but never push his own reads the way he does when he was town. Suddenly went "oh aa-dono is playing just like she did in Angelbeats". I play like this all the time, hence I'm worried about night kills because I knew doctors wouldn't protect me. I'm trying to improve scumhunt as I play. Also in #1301 he said Kasai had no malicious intent in his posts. Is that scum-indicative? Not everyone have an aggressive playstyle. Seems like he's taking advantage of players who seems scummy. null Deepinthelair DenjaX/magicalofmagic Transience/Togs Karote one I agree with but really weak Your read on Claire I find strange as well paranoia is normal in these games and something she does a lot as I and others have said. you seem to like thier view on Cross this would surely be more null then scum really strange choice. I like the points on Lamb however and fits with my own views more . Your one on Cross though seems really forced though in my view you talk more about yourself then him this does not read to me as you really think he is scum, also since you talked about him and he has been your main thing I expected a lot more then what you have gave. Your read on Kasai is weak as well it lacks info why? Queen one just looks like you are buddying up and trying to get them onside. Also your townread on Penta is pretty strong but your reasons are not strong since you say more reasons why he could be scum, what is this. Soren one is genric in my view. The only one I feel you thought about in this is the Lamb one the rest of these feel fake and rushed. This is shown by the fact it has links and actual thought why does he get special attention? |
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Karote said: I can't tell if scum is really within inactives or veteran/experienced players are manipulating us. The kill on Shinchi shows one is active at least, it is only a kill that a person who was up to date would do since normally shinchi is good to frame. |
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Jackrito said: I had no reason to be aggressive at that point.aa-dono said: Told you. Because Penta is the one who broke the tie that Lamb made on Bee-boy. There were other options at that time but he was the one who made Bee-boy a leading lynch. That's why I townread him. Just because I don't trust everyone, doesn't mean I think they're all scum. And it's a blunder on my part. I wanted to see if Bee-boy really is scum so I was just waiting around phase change, and trying to strenthen reads on Crossbell. Though the one who answered to those posts is you and not him. This seems like a really passive approuch to have at a vital point of the game waiting to see what happens. |
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Jackrito said: The only one I feel you thought about in this is the Lamb one the rest of these feel fake and rushed. This is shown by the fact it has links and actual thought why does he get special attention? I answer the rest later. Well I did write those in a rush. Lamb was lucky because his post was in this page and easily referenced. And hmm... maybe because I don't understand him that he gets that special treatment? I re-read his posts a lot of time. |
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Crossbell said: How is tying people together not scum hunting? Only mafia knows each other and possibility of Masons or Neighbors are low.DenjaX said: I cant post it atm since Im on phone but there was Penta suspecting Kasai even though Kaito was definitely acting suspicious and then Claire seemed to defend Kasai with her line of questioning which is weird. I initially thought Penta was scum and was ready to vote him when I catch up because hed knew Kaito is not mafia and Kaito flipped town that is why he ddnt vote for him. But he was confident about his vote on aadono so I should leave it for now. Ill get back to it when I get the post. I cant regurgitate exactly what they said and I feel like I ddnt explain it properly The only thing Im worried about is the possibility of an Executioner but aadono will get lynched today. Vote: Claire Do you have any independent thoughts as to why either one of Kasai or Claire are scum? Because it seems like you are tying people together instead of scumhunting. |
Jackrito said: Can I have some examples of this uncertaintyand why is this a bad thing I'm never certain on anything unless they is evidence to back it up, Has anyone in this game been certain on anything either this seems such a petty reason to suspect me and could be used on most. I'm only saying this to you because you said "You should trust yourself" to Shinichi in #97. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. I found all of them to be full of this sort of syntax: This person would do this...... but.... so maybe not This sound like........................ but I could be wrong. I thought town Jack would take the blame after a mislynch, not before. Still, I know it's not a strong read, that's why I'm not voting you. Though like Bee-boy, if there was a train on you, I won't be against it. |
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DenjaX said: Crossbell said: How is tying people together not scum hunting? Only mafia knows each other and possibility of Masons or Neighbors are low.Do you have any independent thoughts as to why either one of Kasai or Claire are scum? Because it seems like you are tying people together instead of scumhunting. +1 on the "only mafia knows each other" part |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: As much as I want to, I can only do that once I'm free from RL duties. Anyway, now that I mention that, gonna go back to it. Something I want to drop here: - I am town. But I'm not so very opposed to my lynch if my play is so anti town. But - what info will you get when that happens? (this is knowledge purpose. I'm just very curious) I don't want info, I want scum. Saying your alignment doesn't mean anything, there's no lie detector in this game. You are very confident about the lack of a lie detector in a closed set-up... |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Why do you question it, if you know you are town, you KNOW you are being framed for it - who else besides scum wants to frame you? Yeah I know isnt that why I am trying to show him he is wasting his time |
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Jackrito said: Kasai said: The reason is I dont know. He was there at my beginners mafia game and eversince then I started to see him as scum every game. Also about trying to stop trying to prove soren is scum every game as it is hurtful to town rather than being helpful since they are mostly delusions.About his list I dont really trust it. I dont think about it at all at least not untill some of his reads die otherwise I cant prove anything. I dont plan to stay back. I comment on things that I wonder about or I think that is important. Do you know how many times he flipped scum in these games because I don't think he gets it that much. This just comes across as a biased view to do with his style perhaps like Shinchi, Claire and others always see me as bad. So not sure I will read into it too much. Also based off this ou think he is scum this game then? Yep honestly with all those role fishing I really do edit: Yeah I know that he doesnt get scum much thats why I tried to show him as one in the games. If it was like fifty fifty I would try but since it is so low I dont even try rather wait for some facts that I can use |
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Jackrito said: aa-dono said: @SoulEaterQUEEN This is what I could manage going on off the PC --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Town-reads aa-dono - of course Soren -> (I don't get that scary scum vibe from Soren) - not sure if he changes the way he play, but scum Soren always gives me the scare -> I like his earlier posts. And him trying to get leads, even though I hate those methods. PentaFlare -> agressive. could be scum. I played scum with him before, at least one part I know is that as scum, he hunt for PR. He doesn't seem to be doing that in this game. More passive and observing. I hate his vote on me, but if his intention was reaction and gaining leads, I can understand that motive because Ari did it last game as well. Not so much Town aka mafia SoulEaterQUEEN I'm sorry. Upon re-reading, I think you're leaning town. I might have just been annoyed because you think I'm scum. But you have a lot of posts to digest, and going up and down between Soul's town?mafia?..... I'll get back to reading your posts later. Kasai Very defensive even when he's not the subject. SightlessReality As town (although doesn't explain much), he feels more level headed. Now his votes felt like sheep. Karote I hate how my gut on him clears too fast with one respond. Call it bias, I don't trust Karote. He's too smooth. Jackrito Pointed out how unsure he is with a lot of things. I don't like it. Everyone could hide behind uncertainty. Can't scumread him too much because I think his vote on Bee-boy was his genuine thoughts. _Claire_ I like her read on Crossbell, though I don't get the suspicion over Penta if she's gonna agree with him and vote for me. I won't flip scum, but I still believe Penta to be town. And her whole not believing Penta is based on paranoia. With this reasoning, she could say Penta is not clear yet when I'm lynched. no_chode_name #1353 - Happy with my lynch but not joining in, and hinting the possibility that I could be town. (I never get Lamb) but this post seems like "yes yes go and lynch. I'm not gonna participate in a town lynch just because she seemed scummy. But well she could be scum, so let it be". I would say it's odd, but I did the same thing when Bell-boy was gonna be lynched so he might be town for this. Still, will nt ignore the fact that he wouldn't join the lynch (isn't that what he doesn't like about Crossbell?) Also, pointed out things about Soren (I have no idea if it's an accusation or just complaint) but anyway still resting his vote on magical. Where's magical/Denja pressure? #1322 - role fishing? Crossbell Pointed out lack of scumhunt here and there but never push his own reads the way he does when he was town. Suddenly went "oh aa-dono is playing just like she did in Angelbeats". I play like this all the time, hence I'm worried about night kills because I knew doctors wouldn't protect me. I'm trying to improve scumhunt as I play. Also in #1301 he said Kasai had no malicious intent in his posts. Is that scum-indicative? Not everyone have an aggressive playstyle. Seems like he's taking advantage of players who seems scummy. null Deepinthelair DenjaX/magicalofmagic Transience/Togs Karote one I agree with but really weak Your read on Claire I find strange as well paranoia is normal in these games and something she does a lot as I and others have said. you seem to like thier view on Cross this would surely be more null then scum really strange choice. I like the points on Lamb however and fits with my own views more . Your one on Cross though seems really forced though in my view you talk more about yourself then him this does not read to me as you really think he is scum, also since you talked about him and he has been your main thing I expected a lot more then what you have gave. Your read on Kasai is weak as well it lacks info why? Queen one just looks like you are buddying up and trying to get them onside. Also your townread on Penta is pretty strong but your reasons are not strong since you say more reasons why he could be scum, what is this. Soren one is genric in my view. The only one I feel you thought about in this is the Lamb one the rest of these feel fake and rushed. This is shown by the fact it has links and actual thought why does he get special attention? 1. I agree that it's weak. I refuse to shake it off. 2. Strange or not, I'm not putting her null. She has use the paranoia thing for a while now. I wouldn't find it soo strange if she refuse to vote me out of Penta paranoia but she voted, while still doubting Penta. Not much of questioning on me by herself. 3. I don't like it when townreads are given only for those who share your views. Because if this becomes a standard, then it's easier for mafia to blend in. Plus, the whole point of a discussion is because people can't possible share the same minds. 4. He's passive, agree a lot on others, convinced I'm scum. Basis was: "I played similarly in Angelbeats". I would think he'd try harder than that. But anyway like I said in above post, I feel like he's just picking on players who seems scummy no matter what they do. 5. Truthfully, I didn't read much into Kasai. Mostly just skimmed through because they're defenses. 6. On Queen, nope. I'm gonna read her posts later, just that it's a busy month for me right now. It's not that I don't have time, but I don't have a long hour moment in front of PC, so to read up all her posts will take more time. I can see why it seems like a buddying effort. I might not be in-tune with her mind :P but I know enough that she's not gonna buddy up with someone just for seeing her town. Most possible thing would be she'll question why I see her as town. Not gonna let go of even slight feeling though. For now, not gonna push it yet, because I admit while going through everything else, hers does feel like town. 7. On Penta, you're reading it wrong. I'm saying I know his scum game a bit, because he's been either that or 3rd party for quite a while when I started playing in MS. And this doesn't feel like it. 8. No defense on Soren reads. I trust my guts on this one. Sad to admit, but Soren ignores me a lot more when he's town. 9. Lamby read was explained. |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: Can I have some examples of this uncertaintyand why is this a bad thing I'm never certain on anything unless they is evidence to back it up, Has anyone in this game been certain on anything either this seems such a petty reason to suspect me and could be used on most. I'm only saying this to you because you said "You should trust yourself" to Shinichi in #97. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. I found all of them to be full of this sort of syntax: This person would do this...... but.... so maybe not This sound like........................ but I could be wrong. I thought town Jack would take the blame after a mislynch, not before. Still, I know it's not a strong read, that's why I'm not voting you. Though like Bee-boy, if there was a train on you, I won't be against it. Fair enough I can see how that does look as me having doubt mainly because in all of them is me been doubtful why is this bad though, I have a lot of doubt in my scumhunting ablity look at any of my games and you will see this. So this is a strange thing to pick out. To be fair since you bothered to look I will go through each point and where my doubt came from. 1 and 2 .A lot of that is me talking about people meta which is something that no one should ever take as fact, espically with Players like Lamb and Karote. 3rd is really harsh to pick out since I give reasons for my doubts and I think anyone would in that situation The 4th one I disagree with I would say that is not that doubtful it has hints of it but I was pretty confident in my view which is why my Read on Queen has been so strong so strange you picked this one. Queen is the only person I would feel confident on 5th I don't even see doubt in this one so why did you pick this one out? I really feel you are trying despartely to make me look bad here so back to my first question explain to me why you think my doubt is a bad thing. Also your last line intrests me you expected me to take the blame for that lynch after but not before why? Also as I said it is normal for me to doubt my votes and lynches because I hate to mislynch the Tsundere game is nothing but me doubting myself . This comes before the lynch or after depends on my confidence level. |
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Kasai said: Jackrito said: Do you know how many times he flipped scum in these games because I don't think he gets it that much. This just comes across as a biased view to do with his style perhaps like Shinchi, Claire and others always see me as bad. So not sure I will read into it too much. Also based off this ou think he is scum this game then? Yep honestly with all those role fishing I really do edit: Yeah I know that he doesnt get scum much thats why I tried to show him as one in the games. If it was like fifty fifty I would try but since it is so low I dont even try rather wait for some facts that I can use I see intresting, I will be fair not a fan of the rolefishing he is doing at times and the stuff he was doing to new players with fake info, I think this is just dirty town play using others as tools though rather then scum play. I like the way you are going for him a bit though because if scum this would be a bad move to go for a power player. |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: Karote one I agree with but really weak Your read on Claire I find strange as well paranoia is normal in these games and something she does a lot as I and others have said. you seem to like thier view on Cross this would surely be more null then scum really strange choice. I like the points on Lamb however and fits with my own views more . Your one on Cross though seems really forced though in my view you talk more about yourself then him this does not read to me as you really think he is scum, also since you talked about him and he has been your main thing I expected a lot more then what you have gave. Your read on Kasai is weak as well it lacks info why? Queen one just looks like you are buddying up and trying to get them onside. Also your townread on Penta is pretty strong but your reasons are not strong since you say more reasons why he could be scum, what is this. Soren one is genric in my view. The only one I feel you thought about in this is the Lamb one the rest of these feel fake and rushed. This is shown by the fact it has links and actual thought why does he get special attention? 1. I agree that it's weak. I refuse to shake it off. 2. Strange or not, I'm not putting her null. She has use the paranoia thing for a while now. I wouldn't find it soo strange if she refuse to vote me out of Penta paranoia but she voted, while still doubting Penta. Not much of questioning on me by herself. 3. I don't like it when townreads are given only for those who share your views. Because if this becomes a standard, then it's easier for mafia to blend in. Plus, the whole point of a discussion is because people can't possible share the same minds. 4. He's passive, agree a lot on others, convinced I'm scum. Basis was: "I played similarly in Angelbeats". I would think he'd try harder than that. But anyway like I said in above post, I feel like he's just picking on players who seems scummy no matter what they do. 5. Truthfully, I didn't read much into Kasai. Mostly just skimmed through because they're defenses. 6. On Queen, nope. I'm gonna read her posts later, just that it's a busy month for me right now. It's not that I don't have time, but I don't have a long hour moment in front of PC, so to read up all her posts will take more time. I can see why it seems like a buddying effort. I might not be in-tune with her mind :P but I know enough that she's not gonna buddy up with someone just for seeing her town. Most possible thing would be she'll question why I see her as town. Not gonna let go of even slight feeling though. For now, not gonna push it yet, because I admit while going through everything else, hers does feel like town. 7. On Penta, you're reading it wrong. I'm saying I know his scum game a bit, because he's been either that or 3rd party for quite a while when I started playing in MS. And this doesn't feel like it. 8. No defense on Soren reads. I trust my guts on this one. Sad to admit, but Soren ignores me a lot more when he's town. 9. Lamby read was explained. Those are some good points on Claire she should be questioing you more if doubts Penta. Not really getting your point 3 what does this have to do with Lamb or anything I'm not townreading you so why bring this up here. Your read on Cross still feels off to me more what others think they yourself. The lack of read on Kasai annoys me a lot, You appear to be giving Queen special attention is this because she is been fair with you and giving you a chance unlike others. I thinkyou are right on Penta this is not his scum game that is for sure but something still feels off for me your flip will help my read on him. Can I ask why you are so casual about been lynched? I know you did on Lamb my issue is I don't like the attention they got in this list compared to others I know thier stuff is more recent but the links only they have bothers me. Another question any thoughts on Denjax,Transicnece and Deep they are lacking but have posted. I will be honest I don't like a lot of this readlist and I feel it is fake and forced. Not sure if all your readlists are like this though giving special attention to some and none to others |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Thanks.Personally I think Soren reminds me of a robot at times. Knowing how to generate an input/output with little flaws. |
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aa-dono said: Not really a hard time, more to do with I'm not bothered to read them anymore.Soren said: You're only now starting to have a hard time reading my post?I think we're onto something with the aa-dono. I'm starting to have a hard time reading her posts because they don't really tell me anything important about the game. I'm going to do some deeper analysis. |
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Soren said: aa-dono said: Not really a hard time, more to do with I'm not bothered to read them anymore.You're only now starting to have a hard time reading my post? Wow |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: ahahahahahahis petty traps |
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Crossbell said: He's got this personal vendetta against me ever since he played with me in his beginners mafia game. He for some reason didn't like that he got lynched and thought I was scum for it, despite the fact that I town read him AND defended him. Since then every game he will scum read me and vote for me on day 1. Then as the game progresses he will tunnel me and gerry mander bullshit scum reads. SoulEaterQUEEN said: Yeeeah that's where I'm kind of headed towards as well. Even though Kasai is literally not scumhunting, I can't really point to any of his posts that have a malicious intent? His random out of place scumread on Soren feels too wacky for scum as well.It's more or less his usual self when he plays town :/ defensive and paranoid at the high level, I typically mislynch him because of it since I find it so scummy. You should mostly ignore his scum accusations towards me in every game unless you think he's actually onto something, which he most likely isn't. |
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