Julius is annoying AF

Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)

Apr 24, 8:16 AM

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What was the need for the humiliation ritual Natsu Subaru had to go through?

In the throne room, Subaru disrespected the knights by disregarding their hard-work and commitment. As a result, Julius challenged him to a duel and beat the shit out of him in-front of everybody.

The reason why Subaru disrespected the knights(not defending this part), was that Julius himself started questioning his power and spirit in protecting Emilia. This was disrespect to Subaru which was completely overlooked in the series. Subaru had to defend his honor, and in-turn disrespected the knights(bad move kiddo). This all started with Julius, but in the show it was shown that Natsu was to blame for it all(in the name of development).

Maybe let's disregard Julius's disrespect. In the duel, what was the need to humiliate and beat Subaru to half-dead in front of everyone? If Julius wanted to genuinely make him realize his mistake, he could have done so privately and made Subaru realize his weakness. But by doing this in-front of everyone, the malice outweighs the goodwill(i doubt it) which Julius had for him. Even if Subaru disrespected all the knighthood, it seems there was no point in humiliating him in-front of everybody.

As such, it didn't change him a bit. He still remained weak and cowardly. Instead if Julius fought him privately and make him realize his mistakes, we would have gotten character development much earlier. Subaru would have changed as well as apologized to all the Knights. It literally didn't serve a single purpose.

Edit:It seems the other Knights were planning to kill him. Hence a public humiliation was needed

BroDa2545Apr 24, 9:52 AM

Apr 24, 8:31 AM

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Julius did it because the other knights were planning to kill Subaru for what he said, so he had to give him a public punishment that cost him his own reputation as a knight.

Apr 24, 8:39 AM

BroDa2545

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Julius did it because the other knights were planning to kill Subaru for what he said, so he had to give him a public punishment that cost him his own reputation as a knight.

@Yosakusan I don't think it was ever mentioned in the Anime. But if this was the reason, then it makes sense for his actions.

Apr 24, 8:53 AM

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Yosakusan said:
Julius did it because the other knights were planning to kill Subaru for what he said, so he had to give him a public punishment that cost him his own reputation as a knight.

This was in the light novel, but not in the anime, but was indeed the reason Julius acted in the way he did.

OP, at the end of the day. Subaru did respect the entirety of the knight order. Subaru is merely a servant, and quite obviously from an outsiders perspective merely a nuisance making a scene at a monumental ceremony. Subaru is lucky he got off with a beating over execution.

Apr 24, 8:57 AM

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Yosakusan said:
Julius did it because the other knights were planning to kill Subaru for what he said, so he had to give him a public punishment that cost him his own reputation as a knight.

@Kaze1214 Can't disagree with that mate. I was just confused about that whole beating thing, when none of the knights said anything. But after hearing the reason it seems the beating was quite small compared to the original punishment

Apr 24, 8:59 AM

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Yosakusan said:
Julius did it because the other knights were planning to kill Subaru for what he said, so he had to give him a public punishment that cost him his own reputation as a knight.

@Kaze1214 But when asked didn't he said he was a Knight representing Emilia. This puts him on the same pedestrial as Julius in terms of respect. But it seems Julius didn't recognize that

Apr 24, 9:00 AM

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BroDa2545 said:
@Kaze1214 But when asked didn't he said he was a Knight representing Emilia. This puts him on the same pedestrial as Julius in terms of respect. But it seems Julius didn't recognize that

If I remember correctly, wasn’t this because he quite clearly wasn’t. I thought most people didn’t buy that at all.

Apr 24, 9:04 AM

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If I remember correctly, wasn’t this because he quite clearly wasn’t. I thought most people didn’t buy that at all.

BroDa2545 said:
But when asked didn't he said he was a Knight representing Emilia. This puts him on the same pedestrial as Julius in terms of respect. But it seems Julius didn't recognize that

Ofcourse not. But as it was a monumental ceremony, Julius shouldn't have had any reason to blatantly go out of his way to disagree with Subaru. He could have done it later on.

Subaru was talking with the old officials. He never talked with Julius or the Knights.

Apr 24, 9:25 AM

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What was the reason? Ever heard of "character development"?
He might been an asshole, but he was right. Subaru was very cocky and arrogant, thinking that he is entitled to be Emilia's knight and somehow even thought he is better than knights themselves, yet did absolutely nothing to prove he is worth it, not to mention he couldn't even fight properly. It was only natural that Julius would beat the living shit out of him and actually was kinda lucky, because Julius went easy on him.

Apr 24, 9:48 AM

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I feel like it was pretty nessecery. It also made the story alot better.

Apr 24, 9:48 AM

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Piromysl said:
Ever heard of "character development"

it seems you don't understand the meaning of "character development". you make the plot such that the character develops into some shit. but the plot is supposed to make sense, not just some random beat the POS kinda thing.

and im not defending what Subaru did, man you didn't even read the shit i wrote. i am asking, what was the need for public humilation(which was previously answered by someone). the same thing could have been acheived in private and would have far better result.

TRY TO READ BEFORE ANSWERING

Apr 24, 9:50 AM

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BroDa2545 said:

Piromysl said:
Ever heard of "character development"

But it is character development. Entering new lows and being there for a long time afterwards is indeed life and the experience of it that our character goes through.

Apr 24, 9:51 AM

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Piromysl said:
Ever heard of "character development"

@BroDa2545 You have no idea what you are even talking about. Bad experience almost always comes before realization and that's exactly his duel with Julius and argument with Emilia was. And if you still try to argue, that it resulted in nothing, then you are objectively wrong.

Apr 24, 9:52 AM

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Subaru pretty much talked a big game acting like a archbishop of the witches cult, and Julius had to humble him. Subaru desserved a lot worse for disrespecting the entire Emilia fiction and the knights with far more experience and skill than him. Julius even held back despite Subaru throwing sand in his face dishonoring the duel.

Apr 24, 10:27 AM

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Totally agree with @BroDa2545 here. The anime has this tendency to undermine Subaru and portray him as a no good coward with one singular ability that and that alone. This is fine and tbh that's a part of his charm, but the anime showing all kinds of shit just to drop a dump on the mc is always really f-ing frustrating.Despite all his imperfections fans desire to see some unique traits of the main character.Even if Subaru had those , the show pushingly trying to undermine that with his failures and portrayal of his idiocy seems deliberate and forced.

Apr 24, 10:39 AM

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Ripperdoc

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But he isn't more annoying than Subaru.

Apr 24, 11:17 AM

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Shoujoaddict said:
Totally agree with @BroDa2545 here. The anime has this tendency to undermine Subaru and portray him as a no good coward with one singular ability that and that alone. This is fine and tbh that's a part of his charm, but the anime showing all kinds of shit just to drop a dump on the mc is always really f-ing frustrating.Despite all his imperfections fans desire to see some unique traits of the main character.Even if Subaru had those , the show pushingly trying to undermine that with his failures and portrayal of his idiocy seems deliberate and forced.

not true at all. his idiocy ended after rem confessed to him. after that, his failure derives only from the sheer difficulty of the situation and the fact that he mostly tried to go at it alone, with minimum help from those around him, and without even trying to explain. that also ended at the start of s2p2.

people can dislike this show, its visuals, its premise, or its characters, but a critic of its character development and its logic in writing and story is just proof that they don't know what they're talking about, either because they didn't pay attention or because they're late. Or both, like the other guy.

Apr 24, 12:19 PM

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I'm anime only watcher, but by the reactions of the knights, it looked like Subaru would have been killed. Julius created a compromise that would hurt all parties the least.

Subaru was disrespected because of customs Julius follows, Julius was disrespected because Subaru was a dumbass. We know that the world of Re:Zero is harsh, so it makes sense.

Apr 24, 3:17 PM

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Julius went overboard, but Subaru honestly deserved to get humbled. His cringe was at an all-time high during that arc, and he humiliated Emilia in front of everyone.

Apr 25, 8:02 AM

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If you're self inserting as Subaru of course you would be annoyed by Julius.

Anyway Subaru deserved it, whether Subaru changed or not because of that....it doesn't matter, he is not Subaru's dad or babysitter, just a knight :D

(っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥

Apr 25, 8:20 AM

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BroDa2545 said:
What was the need for the humiliation ritual Natsu Subaru had to go through?

In the throne room, Subaru disrespected the knights by disregarding their hard-work and commitment. As a result, Julius challenged him to a duel and beat the shit out of him in-front of everybody.

The reason why Subaru disrespected the knights(not defending this part), was that Julius himself started questioning his power and spirit in protecting Emilia. This was disrespect to Subaru which was completely overlooked in the series. Subaru had to defend his honor, and in-turn disrespected the knights(bad move kiddo). This all started with Julius, but in the show it was shown that Natsu was to blame for it all(in the name of development).

Maybe let's disregard Julius's disrespect. In the duel, what was the need to humiliate and beat Subaru to half-dead in front of everyone? If Julius wanted to genuinely make him realize his mistake, he could have done so privately and made Subaru realize his weakness. But by doing this in-front of everyone, the malice outweighs the goodwill(i doubt it) which Julius had for him. Even if Subaru disrespected all the knighthood, it seems there was no point in humiliating him in-front of everybody.

As such, it didn't change him a bit. He still remained weak and cowardly. Instead if Julius fought him privately and make him realize his mistakes, we would have gotten character development much earlier. Subaru would have changed as well as apologized to all the Knights. It literally didn't serve a single purpose.

Edit:It seems the other Knights were planning to kill him. Hence a public humiliation was needed

Trust me, idk if you’re there yet, but Julius becomes the #1 homie of season 1 just let the time pass

Apr 27, 4:29 PM

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@Yosakusan I don't think it was ever mentioned in the Anime. But if this was the reason, then it makes sense for his actions.

@BroDa2545 It's mentioned in Episode 14.

I'm pretty sure most of Re:Zero complaints would have been solved if people look at the what's on the screen.

Looking for better series than Re:Zero

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