Is Your Name the best and worst thing to happen for Makoto Shinkai?

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I personally prefer Tenki no Ko.
And if I remember correctly, Shinkai wanted Suzume no Tojimari to be a lesbian romance, but the producer said no to his request/idea.

@ktg Not as much as he wanted, but as much as he offered during the draft, because he was tired of the idea that romance in his films was somewhat monotonous and had outlived its usefulness. But the producer said that this is not what his target audience expects from him. Shinkai himself has said that he generally doesn't want to make romantic films again. Anyway, judging by the wording "sister type romance", it would rather be something vaguely subtle and ambiguous in the style of Class S.

Dec 29, 2023 7:25 AM

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adharshcs said:
So it's just my opinion but i feel like both the movies since your name has gone down in quality, ofc the animation and all are incredible but they just feel like some big budget formulaic romantic adventure ride which I will forget about the very next day , it doesn't feel like 5cm per second or garden of words or Your Name. Maybe it's just a me problem idk

its a you problem my friend. simple.

Dec 29, 2023 7:29 AM

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@ktg Not as much as he wanted, but as much as he offered during the draft, because he was tired of the idea that romance in his films was somewhat monotonous and had outlived its usefulness. But the producer said that this is not what his target audience expects from him. Shinkai himself has said that he generally doesn't want to make romantic films again. Anyway, judging by the wording "sister type romance", it would rather be something vaguely subtle and ambiguous in the style of Class S.

If you offer something else, because you are bored of the old stuff, then you want something else. People don't want to do boring things, because it's boring.

Dec 29, 2023 7:30 AM

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Masterpiece, but I want to eat your pancreas is the top goat

Dec 29, 2023 7:32 AM

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Tenki no ko is also very great(for me better characters than your name), but your name is just one

Dec 29, 2023 7:32 AM

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This is his only good work. Everything else is shit

Dec 29, 2023 7:34 AM

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it's a very good movie but it's definitely lightning in a bottle. every movie before and after he's made feels like it's trying to replicate it

Dec 29, 2023 7:34 AM

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Masterpiece, but I want to eat your pancreas is the top goat

nah Pancreas is boring as hell. just crybait melodrama

Dec 29, 2023 7:35 AM

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ratliker63 said:

Dracus3 said:
Masterpiece, but I want to eat your pancreas is the top goat

nah Pancreas is boring as hell. just crybait melodrama

Nonono. it's a masterpiece

Dec 29, 2023 7:36 AM

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RobertBobert said:
@ktg Not as much as he wanted, but as much as he offered during the draft, because he was tired of the idea that romance in his films was somewhat monotonous and had outlived its usefulness. But the producer said that this is not what his target audience expects from him. Shinkai himself has said that he generally doesn't want to make romantic films again. Anyway, judging by the wording "sister type romance", it would rather be something vaguely subtle and ambiguous in the style of Class S.

If you offer something else, because you are bored of the old stuff, then you want something else. People don't want to do boring things, because it's boring.

@ktg Nobody said anything about boredom. He wanted to cut off any romance (he decided that he had expressed everything he could in his romantic plots up to this point), but since the producer insisted on it, at some point he suggested a lesbian romance and after producer completely refusing to somehow change the formula, he decided to reduce the focus on romance in the anime altogether. At least that's how he explained working on the film.

Dec 29, 2023 7:46 AM

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Dracus3 said:

ratliker63 said:

nah Pancreas is boring as hell. just crybait melodrama

Nonono. it's a masterpiece

people only say that because it made them cry. the story is nothing

Dec 29, 2023 7:47 AM

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RobertBobert said:
@ktg Nobody said anything about boredom. He wanted to cut off any romance (he decided that he had expressed everything he could in his romantic plots up to this point), but since the producer insisted on it, at some point he suggested a lesbian romance and after producer completely refusing to somehow change the formula, he decided to reduce the focus on romance in the anime altogether. At least that's how he explained working on the film.

Synonyms of "tired of": bored of, but nice try.
So yes, you said that.

Dec 29, 2023 7:49 AM

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RobertBobert said:
@ktg Nobody said anything about boredom. He wanted to cut off any romance (he decided that he had expressed everything he could in his romantic plots up to this point), but since the producer insisted on it, at some point he suggested a lesbian romance and after producer completely refusing to somehow change the formula, he decided to reduce the focus on romance in the anime altogether. At least that's how he explained working on the film.

Synonyms of "tired of": bored of, but nice try.
So yes, you said that.

@ktg I have no desire to start off-topic here because of someone’s games with words. Goodbye.

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Dec 29, 2023 7:50 AM

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I personally like them all, older or newer, 5 cm per second is great, probably my favorite of his movies, but I also really love weathering with you, he is just a great director, but it was sad to read in an above post how the producers make him do something even tho it's not what he wanted, I personally feel directors and writers should be able to fulfill their vision instead of being under corporate pressure

Dec 29, 2023 7:51 AM

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In my opinion, its because Your name/Kimi no nawa is the new standard for "Makoto shinkai's movies", but then he created a similar story and got downfall (comparing the MAL's rating of Kimi no nawa's to Tenki no ko-Suzume's). He repeated the similar kind of plot and premise for Tenki no ko and Suzume.

Both are good tho for me, but nothing special.

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Dec 29, 2023 7:53 AM

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I still watch Your Name when im going to eat and dont know what to watch, its that good for me.
I hope he make bittersweet story more like Garden of Words.
I dont like 5cm per Second, though. The scene exposition and unlikeable character throw me off. The music and voice acting not that great either.
Weathering With You, that ending ruin everything in my opinion. I thought it will be more impactful if it end with sad ending.

Dec 29, 2023 8:17 AM

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mediocre at best without the good visuals. i personally find 5cm to be their best work, although it still falls short from being great

Dec 29, 2023 8:23 AM

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Dracus3 said:

Nonono. it's a masterpiece

people only say that because it made them cry. the story is nothing

I don't agree. He was loved for the first time by her, and she loved him even though she didn't knew him at all. And when he started loving her, she got killed. She still had some days left. She knew exactly what would happen after her death.
Oh and also, I kinda have a thing for Byoukidere characters.

Dec 29, 2023 8:45 AM

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I completely agree. His previous works all had a common theme, romances fatalized by some outside force. (Distance, age gap, literal space war, etc.) But they still all felt distinct from each other. After Your Name they’ve all felt monotonous. Tenki no Ko and Suzume were still good, but they all feel like they were painted with the same palette. Your Name is his best work but it seems he’s now trapped trying to replicate its success.

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Dec 29, 2023 8:50 AM

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adharshcs said:
So it's just my opinion but i feel like both the movies since your name has gone down in quality, ofc the animation and all are incredible but they just feel like some big budget formulaic romantic adventure ride which I will forget about the very next day , it doesn't feel like 5cm per second or garden of words or Your Name. Maybe it's just a me problem idk

I felt the same way. I haven’t watched the new one yet, but Weathering With You was more so average or good in comparison to Your Name.

Dec 29, 2023 8:53 AM

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I completely agree. His previous works all had a common theme, romances fatalized by some outside force. (Distance, age gap, literal space war, etc.) But they still all felt distinct from each other. After Your Name they’ve all felt monotonous. Tenki no Ko and Suzume were still good, but they all feel like they were painted with the same palette. Your Name is his best work but it seems he’s now trapped trying to replicate its success.

@ricejelly I feel like he just burned out due to people's high expectations because after Your Name he became known all over the world and not just among his traditional fans. I mean, he's tried to stop making comparisons to Miyazaki or stop making the same boy-meets-girl in different settings, but people and producers still expect "a new melodramatic masterpiece from Miyazaki's disciple." Also add pressure from people transferring the film's hype onto himself, either claiming that he "wasn't the same" due to the film's popularity or that he and the anime were overrated as a writer and film due to aversion to the hype.

Dec 29, 2023 9:11 AM

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@ricejelly I feel like he just burned out due to people's high expectations because after Your Name he became known all over the world and not just among his traditional fans. I mean, he's tried to stop making comparisons to Miyazaki or stop making the same boy-meets-girl in different settings, but people and producers still expect "a new melodramatic masterpiece from Miyazaki's disciple." Also add pressure from people transferring the film's hype onto himself, either claiming that he "wasn't the same" due to the film's popularity or that he and the anime were overrated as a writer and film due to aversion to the hype.

have people really compared him to Miyazaki?? the difference between them is massive

Dec 29, 2023 9:12 AM

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Rishon007 said:
This is his only good work. Everything else is shit

Suzume isn't, at the very least
Some say that his other works are better
Some say they are not
It's a matter of personal opinion
IMO all of Shinkai's works are 9 or 10( I am not biased and that is the general opinion)

Dec 29, 2023 9:12 AM

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ratliker63 said:

people only say that because it made them cry. the story is nothing

I don't agree. He was loved for the first time by her, and she loved him even though she didn't knew him at all. And when he started loving her, she got killed. She still had some days left. She knew exactly what would happen after her death.
Oh and also, I kinda have a thing for Byoukidere characters.

well you are 15 so that explains it. you're the target audience

Dec 29, 2023 9:13 AM

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Mardhav_2007 said:

Rishon007 said:
This is his only good work. Everything else is shit

Suzume isn't, at the very least
Some say that his other works are better
Some say they are not
It's a matter of personal opinion
IMO all of Shinkai's works are 9 or 10( I am not biased and that is the general opinion)

none of them are anywhere close to a 10 lol. that's not the general opinion

Dec 29, 2023 9:16 AM

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Personally I love your name but Makoto Shinkai actually said that he didn’t like it because he wanted to have more time to make it still great movie.

Dec 29, 2023 9:16 AM

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ratliker63 said:

Dracus3 said:

I don't agree. He was loved for the first time by her, and she loved him even though she didn't knew him at all. And when he started loving her, she got killed. She still had some days left. She knew exactly what would happen after her death.
Oh and also, I kinda have a thing for Byoukidere characters.

well you are 15 so that explains it. you're the target audience

Why tag me when you yourself said it's a matter of personal opinion?

And no, it's not a general opinion to say all his works are 9-10. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

Dec 29, 2023 9:16 AM

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RobertBobert said:
@ricejelly I feel like he just burned out due to people's high expectations because after Your Name he became known all over the world and not just among his traditional fans. I mean, he's tried to stop making comparisons to Miyazaki or stop making the same boy-meets-girl in different settings, but people and producers still expect "a new melodramatic masterpiece from Miyazaki's disciple." Also add pressure from people transferring the film's hype onto himself, either claiming that he "wasn't the same" due to the film's popularity or that he and the anime were overrated as a writer and film due to aversion to the hype.

have people really compared him to Miyazaki?? the difference between them is massive

@ratliker63 I don't know if you've been following the press, but somewhere in the first months or even a year after the premiere, journalists and normies were literally obsessed with the "Shinkai new Miyazaki" take. This irritated the director himself very much and he repeatedly asked people to stop doing this. Even saying that he himself considers the film to be overrated and he is scared/embarrassed by such hype around the film. Someone even spread rumors that the Ghibli were going to hire him https://sojapan.jp/2016/10/makoto-shinkai-denies-rumors-going-work-ghibli/

Dec 29, 2023 9:17 AM

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ratliker63 said:

Mardhav_2007 said:

Suzume isn't, at the very least
Some say that his other works are better
Some say they are not
It's a matter of personal opinion
IMO all of Shinkai's works are 9 or 10( I am not biased and that is the general opinion)

none of them are anywhere close to a 10 lol. that's not the general opinion

You do you my friend
I will not agree not disagree
I respect your freedom
If you think shit then be it
Others may agree or disagree
I mean I don't really like Re:Zero but I watched it without any complaints and I expect something like that from all of you
But if you really need to speak then go

I agree that 9 or 10 is a bit of an exaggeration but I like Romance
I just realised that you like rats from your username
I hate them
so opinions may differ or I may be misinterpreting your username

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@ratliker63 I don't know if you've been following the press, but somewhere in the first months or even a year after the premiere, journalists and normies were literally obsessed with the "Shinkai new Miyazaki" take. This irritated the director himself very much and he repeatedly asked people to stop doing this. Even saying that he himself considers the film to be overrated and he is scared/embarrassed by such hype around the film. Someone even spread rumors that the Ghibli were going to hire him https://sojapan.jp/2016/10/makoto-shinkai-denies-rumors-going-work-ghibli/

I missed that, I wasn't really following anime when the movie came out. still, that's wild. your name is good but nowhere on Ghibli's level. in terms of animation, story, music, it's just not comparable. normies will really watch one decent movie and think it's the second coming of Christ.

Dec 29, 2023 9:26 AM

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@ratliker63 I don't know if you've been following the press, but somewhere in the first months or even a year after the premiere, journalists and normies were literally obsessed with the "Shinkai new Miyazaki" take. This irritated the director himself very much and he repeatedly asked people to stop doing this. Even saying that he himself considers the film to be overrated and he is scared/embarrassed by such hype around the film. Someone even spread rumors that the Ghibli were going to hire him https://sojapan.jp/2016/10/makoto-shinkai-denies-rumors-going-work-ghibli/

I missed that, I wasn't really following anime when the movie came out. still, that's wild. your name is good but nowhere on Ghibli's level. in terms of animation, story, music, it's just not comparable. normies will really watch one decent movie and think it's the second coming of Christ.

@ratliker63 One way or another, this especially irritated Shinkai, since he himself is a big fan of Miyazaki and the idea that he was an objective successor to the master greatly embarrassed him.

Dec 29, 2023 9:26 AM

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ktg said:
I personally prefer Tenki no Ko.
And if I remember correctly, Shinkai wanted Suzume no Tojimari to be a lesbian romance, but the producer said no to his request/idea.

Makes sense why Souta is a nothing character then!

YO!

Dec 29, 2023 10:10 AM

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ktg said:
I personally prefer Tenki no Ko.
And if I remember correctly, Shinkai wanted Suzume no Tojimari to be a lesbian romance, but the producer said no to his request/idea.

Makes sense why Souta is a nothing character then!

@AraumC He is not an insignificant character, Shinkai can give you a whole lecture about the meaning and metaphors of the character in the film.

Dec 29, 2023 11:13 AM

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@ktg I have no desire to start off-topic here because of someone’s games with words. Goodbye.

Lol, you started this, kiddo. You asked about who said anything about being bored. You did. Not knowing the definition tells me everything about you, because it's a basic synonym in English.

Dec 29, 2023 11:18 AM

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adharshcs said:
So it's just my opinion but i feel like both the movies since your name has gone down in quality, ofc the animation and all are incredible but they just feel like some big budget formulaic romantic adventure ride which I will forget about the very next day , it doesn't feel like 5cm per second or garden of words or Your Name. Maybe it's just a me problem idk

I think Weathering with you was good. Suzume was eh. I put Your Name and Weathering with You as my top 2. 5cm per second was good but the I only cared about the first short film

Dec 29, 2023 11:19 AM

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I disagree imo the 3 are absolute masterpieces

Dec 29, 2023 11:48 AM

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@AraumC He is not an insignificant character, Shinkai can give you a whole lecture about the meaning and metaphors of the character in the film.

He’s not insignificant, he just lacks personality. Souta is more plot device than character.

YO!

Dec 29, 2023 11:50 AM

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@AraumC He is not an insignificant character, Shinkai can give you a whole lecture about the meaning and metaphors of the character in the film.

He’s not insignificant, he just lacks personality. Souta is more plot device than character.

@AraumC He has enough personality for his role in the plot. Basically only the girl is the main character since Shinkai didn't want it to have romance in the first place.

Dec 29, 2023 12:24 PM

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Arigato gozaimashten

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I think suzume is better

Dec 29, 2023 4:35 PM

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Makoto Shinkai has been always talked about the distance as something stronger than humans. Even if there is love, distance is an unbeatable obstacle.

That changed in Your Name, that basically told us that love can beat the distance. That's why that film was so different from previous ones.

If you like the realistic sadness of the first theme, you will like previous movies the most. Otherwise, you'll probably like Your Name and his next filmes over the first ones.

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