Ending … [spoilers ahead]

nomnomnori said:
After watching The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (in broadcast order) and The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya … I’m not really sure I got the ending right.

The Kyon whom we are following from the beginning of the movie gets stabbed and loses lots of blood, maybe he’s close to dying. Shortly before getting stabbed, though, that very same Kyon says that at the very moment this timeline’s Kyon is lying in bed at home, sleeping.

Kyon, lying in his blood, sees adult Asahina who brought him here and young future Asahina both crying at his chest. Future Yuki stops Asakura from killing Kyon with another stab of her knife aimed towards his head. Before closing his eyes, future Kyon tells injured Kyon not to worry and to sleep, and that everything will be okay.

At this moment, it’s three Kyon’s in this timeline … one injured, one sleeping in bed at home, and one from the same future as young Asahina and Yuki.

The next scene, Kyon wakes up in hospital. One of the first things he does is touching/checking his left body side or hips/stomach where he was stabbed, his facial expression showing he feels or remembers pain. That moment, Koizoumi tells the story of how Kyon hit his head by falling down the stairs (maybe pushed by some girl whoms silhouette Haruhi think she’s seen???). Kyon reacts very surprised, touching/checking his head but not feeling any pain there. He’s also told he has no visible wounds on his body.

A little later, on the roof, Kyon remembers …

1) the timeline with all his friends being “normal” and not knowing him,
2) that he made the decision to prevent that timeline from happening,
3) that this “adventure” (making the decision) almost cost his life, and
4) the words that future Kyon said to injured Kyon.

What did canonically happen and which Kyon from the three Kyon’s above do we see in hospital?

PS: I read all threads here and also quite lots in other places of the web, but …

nomnomnori said:
After watching The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (in broadcast order) and The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya … I’m not really sure I got the ending right.

The Kyon whom we are following from the beginning of the movie gets stabbed and loses lots of blood, maybe he’s close to dying. Shortly before getting stabbed, though, that very same Kyon says that at the very moment this timeline’s Kyon is lying in bed at home, sleeping.

Kyon, lying in his blood, sees adult Asahina who brought him here and young future Asahina both crying at his chest. Future Yuki stops Asakura from killing Kyon with another stab of her knife aimed towards his head. Before closing his eyes, future Kyon tells injured Kyon not to worry and to sleep, and that everything will be okay.

At this moment, it’s three Kyon’s in this timeline … one injured, one sleeping in bed at home, and one from the same future as young Asahina and Yuki.

The next scene, Kyon wakes up in hospital. One of the first things he does is touching/checking his left body side or hips/stomach where he was stabbed, his facial expression showing he feels or remembers pain. That moment, Koizoumi tells the story of how Kyon hit his head by falling down the stairs (maybe pushed by some girl whoms silhouette Haruhi think she’s seen???). Kyon reacts very surprised, touching/checking his head but not feeling any pain there. He’s also told he has no visible wounds on his body.

A little later, on the roof, Kyon remembers …

1) the timeline with all his friends being “normal” and not knowing him,
2) that he made the decision to prevent that timeline from happening,
3) that this “adventure” (making the decision) almost cost his life, and
4) the words that future Kyon said to injured Kyon.

What did canonically happen and which Kyon from the three Kyon’s above do we see in hospital?

PS: I read all threads here and also quite lots in other places of the web, but …

Kyon_Kun_Denwa said:
There are quite a few misconceptions in this thread, so rather than clearing them up one by one, I'll simply explain the right order of events.

During July 7, Kyon goes through the events of the Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody incident, where he and Asahina the Younger travel three years back. When they reach the past, Asahina the Elder comes out of hiding, puts Asahina the Younger to sleep and explains the details to Kyon. After he helps Haruhi in her shenanigans, he returns to the park to find Asahina the Younger, and they go to Nagato's apartment so she can freeze time in her guest room for three years with them inside.

When time is unfrozen in Nagato's guest room, Kyon and Asahina the Younger are back to the present year of the story, and the SOS Brigade continues their activities for a few months.

On December 18, Nagato rewrites the world so things are different from that point on. A few days later, Kyon runs Nagato's program and it takes him to July three years earlier, where he had been during Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody. Indeed he's able to witness his earlier self at the park, as well as Asahina the Younger and Asahina the Elder, just as he remembers it.

Now, here we have two Kyons. From the perspective of the protagonist of the movie, the Kyon at the park is an earlier version of himself, as our movie protagonist already went through the events of Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody. Past Kyon will go help Haruhi, return to the park, and go to Nagato's apartment, where he will be frozen in time. Meanwhile, Current Kyon intercepts Asahina the Elder when she's alone, and they discuss the events he just experienced in December of the year he belongs to.

After a while, once Past Kyon and Asahina the Younger have already arrived at Nagato's apartment and been frozen in time in the guest room, Current Kyon and Asahina the Elder go to her apartment as well. They discuss the alteration of reality that takes place on December 18 of the year Kyon's from and how to deal with it. Afterward, Kyon and Asahina the Elder travel to December 18 three years later, or back to the time Kyon came from.

Since Past Kyon and Asahina the Younger were unfrozen in July of the year they're from, and Current Kyon and Asahina the Elder travel to December of that year, by the time the confrontation with Nagato happens as she's altering the world, there's only one Kyon.

This Kyon is stabbed, and a future Kyon alongside the Asahina the Younger from that time come to help, but when they're done they return to the future, so we're left back with a single Kyon. Nagato, now back to normal, reverts the changes she had made to reality and gives people fake memories to justify Kyon being in the hospital in a non-supernatural way.

In other words,
Kyon travels to July-3 in Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody and is frozen in time to return to July 0 -> A few months later in December-0, Kyon again travels to July-3 and back to December-0 -> Everything returns to normal and Kyon just spends a few days unconscious

There are only ever two Kyons at the same time: first in July-3, when his earlier self gets frozen in time and his current self discusses how to return Nagato to normal in the time he's from; and then when his current self gets stabbed in December-0, and a future one comes to aid. Nobody dies either, but simply you're seeing the story of Kyon in December months after he was unfrozen.

(If you want to know more about the whole deal with Future Kyon, you can read the novels; he travels back to December to help himself in the seventh volume.)

Yitzhak said:


I am sorry but I think you have misunderstood the approach. When reference is made to the kyon being asleep it does not refer to the one on tanabata. It refers to the kyon that sleeps and wakes up on December 18 with the change of the world. Therefore the approach would be something like this
1-kyon (a) gets stabbed.
2-kyon (b) saves his other self and reverses the world change.
3-kyon (c) the sleeping kyon.

Kyon (b) returns to his timeline. Kyon (c) he sleep, who in theory should go through everything that Kyon (a) went through does not because that change never existed. Where did the kyon (a) go if since there was no world change, his timeline has ceased to exist. This is where I want to say that there are 2 kyons, A and C.
I hope that I have been able to understand a little better the igconite here posed.