[Spoilers] Need help trying to understand something

Sep 11, 2016 2:54 PM

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Okay I think I can explain this to you but if anything is confusing don't be afraid to call me out on it. Let's start with this, Taki three years in the future is older than the Mitsuha three years in the past, but when Mitsuha went to go see Taki they were both the same age. Future Taki is 3 years older than Mitsuha.

Sep 11, 2016 5:46 PM

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Hiatt said:
I enjoyed the film alot but I'm struggling to wrap my head around the timeline stuff.

From what I understand there's a scene where Mitsuha is saying: "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo"
Now the bodyswapping shenanigans happen to her ~3 years before Taki experiences his.

I understand that when Taki is bodyswapping he's going back 3 years into the past.

Does that mean Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki? Since she's swapping bodies with him at the time he starts experiencing it himself 3 years after the comet crashes.

What confuses me is that she goes to meet him before he knows her. And they seem to be the same age? And it's not until 3 years later that Taki has the bodyswapping experience. And if she's saying "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo" as they swap back and forth interacting with each other's life. And if Taki is going back in time, isn't Mitsuha travelling forward 3 years in time? I'm just wondering because she's saying they're the same age but if she's swapping with the Taki ~3 years after the comet that would make her 3 years older surely since she's travelling into the future aswell as him travelling back 3 years.

When Mitsuha went to visit Taki, wasn't Taki 3 years younger at that time?

I might be missing something and I'm just overthinking this in my head, but if there's someone that can explain it to me and have it make sense I'd appreciate it.

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

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Sep 11, 2016 7:21 PM

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FuryTomic said:

Hiatt said:
I enjoyed the film alot but I'm struggling to wrap my head around the timeline stuff.

From what I understand there's a scene where Mitsuha is saying: "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo"
Now the bodyswapping shenanigans happen to her ~3 years before Taki experiences his.

I understand that when Taki is bodyswapping he's going back 3 years into the past.

Does that mean Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki? Since she's swapping bodies with him at the time he starts experiencing it himself 3 years after the comet crashes.

What confuses me is that she goes to meet him before he knows her. And they seem to be the same age? And it's not until 3 years later that Taki has the bodyswapping experience. And if she's saying "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo" as they swap back and forth interacting with each other's life. And if Taki is going back in time, isn't Mitsuha travelling forward 3 years in time? I'm just wondering because she's saying they're the same age but if she's swapping with the Taki ~3 years after the comet that would make her 3 years older surely since she's travelling into the future aswell as him travelling back 3 years.

When Mitsuha went to visit Taki, wasn't Taki 3 years younger at that time?

I might be missing something and I'm just overthinking this in my head, but if there's someone that can explain it to me and have it make sense I'd appreciate it.

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

And there one point in that opening song where mitsuha is a bit taller than taki. Just wanna point that out as maybe It can support your theory a bit.

Sep 11, 2016 7:23 PM

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Shadowguy77 said:

FuryTomic said:

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

And there one point in that opening song where mitsuha is a bit taller than taki. Just wanna point that out as maybe It can support your theory a bit.

I don't think height matters here. You could be older, but shorter. Or younger, but ginormous. It's mostly the grade year and age :)

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Sep 12, 2016 6:29 AM

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FuryTomic said:

Hiatt said:
I enjoyed the film alot but I'm struggling to wrap my head around the timeline stuff.

From what I understand there's a scene where Mitsuha is saying: "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo"
Now the bodyswapping shenanigans happen to her ~3 years before Taki experiences his.

I understand that when Taki is bodyswapping he's going back 3 years into the past.

Does that mean Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki? Since she's swapping bodies with him at the time he starts experiencing it himself 3 years after the comet crashes.

What confuses me is that she goes to meet him before he knows her. And they seem to be the same age? And it's not until 3 years later that Taki has the bodyswapping experience. And if she's saying "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo" as they swap back and forth interacting with each other's life. And if Taki is going back in time, isn't Mitsuha travelling forward 3 years in time? I'm just wondering because she's saying they're the same age but if she's swapping with the Taki ~3 years after the comet that would make her 3 years older surely since she's travelling into the future aswell as him travelling back 3 years.

When Mitsuha went to visit Taki, wasn't Taki 3 years younger at that time?

I might be missing something and I'm just overthinking this in my head, but if there's someone that can explain it to me and have it make sense I'd appreciate it.

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I didn't notice the age of Mitsuha when Taki was looking at the logs of the people who died in the village so that basically threw off my whole assessment on the situation. I pretty much assumed that they were the same age which I think most people will do, I like know that they aren't the same age more though. This goes to show I need to watch this movie a second time. Thanks!

Sep 12, 2016 6:38 AM

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Zussolini said:

FuryTomic said:

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I didn't notice the age of Mitsuha when Taki was looking at the logs of the people who died in the village so that basically threw off my whole assessment on the situation. I pretty much assumed that they were the same age which I think most people will do, I like know that they aren't the same age more though. This goes to show I need to watch this movie a second time. Thanks!

No worries man! But I thought of something else just earlier that could be the movie's interpretation regarding (or regardless of their age)
(This was also thought of after reading a comment posted by TheKillerAngel)

As I stated, who knows really, but there's a lot of theories that we can come up with about this story, age, and so forth. However, if the Musubi part was Makoto's ideal thinking, then I guess that could be it. :)

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Sep 12, 2016 6:48 AM

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FuryTomic said:

Zussolini said:

FuryTomic said:

Hiatt said:
I enjoyed the film alot but I'm struggling to wrap my head around the timeline stuff.

From what I understand there's a scene where Mitsuha is saying: "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo"
Now the bodyswapping shenanigans happen to her ~3 years before Taki experiences his.

I understand that when Taki is bodyswapping he's going back 3 years into the past.

Does that mean Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki? Since she's swapping bodies with him at the time he starts experiencing it himself 3 years after the comet crashes.

What confuses me is that she goes to meet him before he knows her. And they seem to be the same age? And it's not until 3 years later that Taki has the bodyswapping experience. And if she's saying "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo" as they swap back and forth interacting with each other's life. And if Taki is going back in time, isn't Mitsuha travelling forward 3 years in time? I'm just wondering because she's saying they're the same age but if she's swapping with the Taki ~3 years after the comet that would make her 3 years older surely since she's travelling into the future aswell as him travelling back 3 years.

When Mitsuha went to visit Taki, wasn't Taki 3 years younger at that time?

I might be missing something and I'm just overthinking this in my head, but if there's someone that can explain it to me and have it make sense I'd appreciate it.

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I didn't notice the age of Mitsuha when Taki was looking at the logs of the people who died in the village so that basically threw off my whole assessment on the situation. I pretty much assumed that they were the same age which I think most people will do, I like know that they aren't the same age more though. This goes to show I need to watch this movie a second time. Thanks!

No worries man! But I thought of something else just earlier that could be the movie's interpretation regarding (or regardless of their age)
(This was also thought of after reading a comment posted by TheKillerAngel)

As I stated, who knows really, but there's a lot of theories that we can come up with about this story, age, and so forth. However, if the Musubi part was Makoto's ideal thinking, then I guess that could be it. :)

Sep 12, 2016 6:57 AM

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Zussolini said:

FuryTomic said:

Zussolini said:

FuryTomic said:

Hiatt said:
I enjoyed the film alot but I'm struggling to wrap my head around the timeline stuff.

From what I understand there's a scene where Mitsuha is saying: "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo"
Now the bodyswapping shenanigans happen to her ~3 years before Taki experiences his.

I understand that when Taki is bodyswapping he's going back 3 years into the past.

Does that mean Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki? Since she's swapping bodies with him at the time he starts experiencing it himself 3 years after the comet crashes.

What confuses me is that she goes to meet him before he knows her. And they seem to be the same age? And it's not until 3 years later that Taki has the bodyswapping experience. And if she's saying "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo" as they swap back and forth interacting with each other's life. And if Taki is going back in time, isn't Mitsuha travelling forward 3 years in time? I'm just wondering because she's saying they're the same age but if she's swapping with the Taki ~3 years after the comet that would make her 3 years older surely since she's travelling into the future aswell as him travelling back 3 years.

When Mitsuha went to visit Taki, wasn't Taki 3 years younger at that time?

I might be missing something and I'm just overthinking this in my head, but if there's someone that can explain it to me and have it make sense I'd appreciate it.

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I didn't notice the age of Mitsuha when Taki was looking at the logs of the people who died in the village so that basically threw off my whole assessment on the situation. I pretty much assumed that they were the same age which I think most people will do, I like know that they aren't the same age more though. This goes to show I need to watch this movie a second time. Thanks!

No worries man! But I thought of something else just earlier that could be the movie's interpretation regarding (or regardless of their age)
(This was also thought of after reading a comment posted by TheKillerAngel)

As I stated, who knows really, but there's a lot of theories that we can come up with about this story, age, and so forth. However, if the Musubi part was Makoto's ideal thinking, then I guess that could be it. :)

To be honest, I never thought of anything like this until the OP asked this question, which made me realize that there were some flaws and gaps the movie has. I would make a video on this. But I might use the light novel and scan some pages myself for now.

FuryTomicSep 16, 2016 5:52 PM

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Sep 12, 2016 7:02 AM

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FuryTomic said:

Zussolini said:

FuryTomic said:

Zussolini said:

FuryTomic said:

Hiatt said:
I enjoyed the film alot but I'm struggling to wrap my head around the timeline stuff.

From what I understand there's a scene where Mitsuha is saying: "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo"
Now the bodyswapping shenanigans happen to her ~3 years before Taki experiences his.

I understand that when Taki is bodyswapping he's going back 3 years into the past.

Does that mean Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki? Since she's swapping bodies with him at the time he starts experiencing it himself 3 years after the comet crashes.

What confuses me is that she goes to meet him before he knows her. And they seem to be the same age? And it's not until 3 years later that Taki has the bodyswapping experience. And if she's saying "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo" as they swap back and forth interacting with each other's life. And if Taki is going back in time, isn't Mitsuha travelling forward 3 years in time? I'm just wondering because she's saying they're the same age but if she's swapping with the Taki ~3 years after the comet that would make her 3 years older surely since she's travelling into the future aswell as him travelling back 3 years.

When Mitsuha went to visit Taki, wasn't Taki 3 years younger at that time?

I might be missing something and I'm just overthinking this in my head, but if there's someone that can explain it to me and have it make sense I'd appreciate it.

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I didn't notice the age of Mitsuha when Taki was looking at the logs of the people who died in the village so that basically threw off my whole assessment on the situation. I pretty much assumed that they were the same age which I think most people will do, I like know that they aren't the same age more though. This goes to show I need to watch this movie a second time. Thanks!

No worries man! But I thought of something else just earlier that could be the movie's interpretation regarding (or regardless of their age)
(This was also thought of after reading a comment posted by TheKillerAngel)

As I stated, who knows really, but there's a lot of theories that we can come up with about this story, age, and so forth. However, if the Musubi part was Makoto's ideal thinking, then I guess that could be it. :)

To be honest, I never thought of anything like this until the OP asked this question, which made me realize that there were some flaws and gaps the movie has. I would make a video on this, but I feel like I would need some of the scenes to help prove my claim. (As you probably might have seen the rip of the movie, it's a screener, and they pretty much prohibit redistribution, or use of scenes.) I wonder if screenshots still count against you.. Maybe.. But I might use the light novel and scan some pages myself just to be safe for now.

Sounds good, you should post your video once it's made here or if you're kind enough send it to me directly xP . I would love to see, lot of thing I am sure I am missing in this movie.

Sep 12, 2016 8:22 AM

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FuryTomic said:

Hiatt said:
I enjoyed the film alot but I'm struggling to wrap my head around the timeline stuff.

From what I understand there's a scene where Mitsuha is saying: "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo"
Now the bodyswapping shenanigans happen to her ~3 years before Taki experiences his.

I understand that when Taki is bodyswapping he's going back 3 years into the past.

Does that mean Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki? Since she's swapping bodies with him at the time he starts experiencing it himself 3 years after the comet crashes.

What confuses me is that she goes to meet him before he knows her. And they seem to be the same age? And it's not until 3 years later that Taki has the bodyswapping experience. And if she's saying "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo" as they swap back and forth interacting with each other's life. And if Taki is going back in time, isn't Mitsuha travelling forward 3 years in time? I'm just wondering because she's saying they're the same age but if she's swapping with the Taki ~3 years after the comet that would make her 3 years older surely since she's travelling into the future aswell as him travelling back 3 years.

When Mitsuha went to visit Taki, wasn't Taki 3 years younger at that time?

I might be missing something and I'm just overthinking this in my head, but if there's someone that can explain it to me and have it make sense I'd appreciate it.

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

I thought about this for a very long time too and came to the conclusion that Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki as well. But why does MAL state that Taki is 3 years older according to their character information? :O

Sep 12, 2016 9:36 AM

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XyriaLight said:

FuryTomic said:

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

I thought about this for a very long time too and came to the conclusion that Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki as well. But why does MAL state that Taki is 3 years older according to their character information? :O

There are a few possibilities:
1- The Subbed Movie we saw could have some mistranslations, meaning some sentences were misinterpreted, (Human Error) or used in Google Translate.
2- MAL information can be edited like Wikipedia. Anyone can change information. Maybe someone must have edited it before hand.
3- We all misinterpreted (including me) our theories, and don't fully understand the information and message Makoto Shinkai tried to convince us in Kimi No Na Wa. (But I do know that Makoto was trying to convey the message of Musubi to us viewers.)
I can try to ask some friends on mine in Japan and see if they both watched the movie, and understood the message, or information that was given.

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Sep 12, 2016 12:41 PM

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@FuryTomic.........
( I guess that should explain.)

joy5Sep 12, 2016 12:56 PM

Sep 12, 2016 2:24 PM

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joy5 said:

@FuryTomic.........
( I guess that should explain.)

joy5 said:

@FuryTomic.........
( I guess that should explain.)

i'm quite curious about this diagram. At the same time, I'm somewhat lost. Is this building upon the claim I built? Or is this supposively something different? :/

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Sep 12, 2016 2:35 PM

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Well not sure about your claim, but guess I'm not seeing Mitsuha older than Taki in any way. Well, that's what I concluded.
And about their ages in MAL character info, the 3-year gap b/w their age is because they are the protagonist in their respective time period.
Those are the ages of the "characters" that we saw in the movie.
It's pretty easy for me to understand, I'm not sure what is actually confusing you.
And I'm not sure, whether my explanation is going to help you or not.
That's All from my side :)
CIAO..

joy5Sep 12, 2016 2:50 PM

Sep 12, 2016 3:54 PM

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FuryTomic said:

XyriaLight said:

FuryTomic said:

Hiatt said:
I enjoyed the film alot but I'm struggling to wrap my head around the timeline stuff.

From what I understand there's a scene where Mitsuha is saying: "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo"
Now the bodyswapping shenanigans happen to her ~3 years before Taki experiences his.

I understand that when Taki is bodyswapping he's going back 3 years into the past.

Does that mean Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki? Since she's swapping bodies with him at the time he starts experiencing it himself 3 years after the comet crashes.

What confuses me is that she goes to meet him before he knows her. And they seem to be the same age? And it's not until 3 years later that Taki has the bodyswapping experience. And if she's saying "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo" as they swap back and forth interacting with each other's life. And if Taki is going back in time, isn't Mitsuha travelling forward 3 years in time? I'm just wondering because she's saying they're the same age but if she's swapping with the Taki ~3 years after the comet that would make her 3 years older surely since she's travelling into the future aswell as him travelling back 3 years.

When Mitsuha went to visit Taki, wasn't Taki 3 years younger at that time?

I might be missing something and I'm just overthinking this in my head, but if there's someone that can explain it to me and have it make sense I'd appreciate it.

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

I thought about this for a very long time too and came to the conclusion that Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki as well. But why does MAL state that Taki is 3 years older according to their character information? :O

There are a few possibilities:
1- The Subbed Movie we saw could have some mistranslations, meaning some sentences were misinterpreted, (Human Error) or used in Google Translate.
2- MAL information can be edited like Wikipedia. Anyone can change information. Maybe someone must have edited it before hand.
3- We all misinterpreted (including me) our theories, and don't fully understand the information and message Makoto Shinkai tried to convince us in Kimi No Na Wa. (But I do know that Makoto was trying to convey the message of Musubi to us viewers.)
I can try to ask some friends on mine in Japan and see if they both watched the movie, and understood the message, or information that was given.

Any idea when did Mitsuha actually say that she's of the same age as Taki? Also do you mind explaining what Musubi meant? I didn't really understand and hence can't really catch Makoto's message from this movie :( Thanks!

Sep 12, 2016 4:17 PM

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XyriaLight said:

FuryTomic said:

XyriaLight said:

FuryTomic said:

Hiatt said:
I enjoyed the film alot but I'm struggling to wrap my head around the timeline stuff.

From what I understand there's a scene where Mitsuha is saying: "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo"
Now the bodyswapping shenanigans happen to her ~3 years before Taki experiences his.

I understand that when Taki is bodyswapping he's going back 3 years into the past.

Does that mean Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki? Since she's swapping bodies with him at the time he starts experiencing it himself 3 years after the comet crashes.

What confuses me is that she goes to meet him before he knows her. And they seem to be the same age? And it's not until 3 years later that Taki has the bodyswapping experience. And if she's saying "Taki is a boy my age living in Tokyo" as they swap back and forth interacting with each other's life. And if Taki is going back in time, isn't Mitsuha travelling forward 3 years in time? I'm just wondering because she's saying they're the same age but if she's swapping with the Taki ~3 years after the comet that would make her 3 years older surely since she's travelling into the future aswell as him travelling back 3 years.

When Mitsuha went to visit Taki, wasn't Taki 3 years younger at that time?

I might be missing something and I'm just overthinking this in my head, but if there's someone that can explain it to me and have it make sense I'd appreciate it.

Prepare to probably be somewhat confused while reading. It's normal, but don't worry, I was also confused while putting the piece together with the timeline. (Side Note: This took me about 2 hours to research, type, and add in information for this question.)
The following contains spoilers and some information that was taken into context from the movie, and online.

First off, there's something we would like to find out first: which is how old were the two at the time of the comet sight?
That's something that most people haven't bothered to wonder, or question. There's also no information of their Grade Year.

If you can recall in the movie, there was a particular scene where Taki was looking at the names of who died in the comet impact. He comes across Mitsuha's name, and had her age listed below (which was 17.) So theoretically, that means Mitsuha was actually 17 years old at the time of the comet impact. However, we don't know their exact birth-date in the story. This would've help determined what year and actual age the two were in High School. Here's another thing to consider too: The comet obliterated Itomori on October 4, 2013. This was approximately about 5 months before Mitsuha completed a year of High School. If we want to be precise, and applied the Grade School System here, Mitsuha would've been a 2nd year in High School. This is assuming Mitsuha's Birthday was sometime between January - March. If not, and was somewhere between April - September, she would be a 3rd year. Unless there's official information about Mitsuha's Age and Grade Year, we will stick with this for now.

Moving on to Taki's Grade and Age, this will be guessed/estimated differently from Mitsuha. When Miki brought up that they visited Itomari, Taki said that it was 5 years ago when he was still in High School. (So most likely, he was around 17-18, and a 3rd year.) So if he was 17-18 years old, we will also take away 3 years because Mitsuha claims she met him on the train before the comet hit in 2013. This leaves him to be 14-15 years old, and a 1st year in high school. Then sometime around October 18-25, 2016, he is 17-18 years old. (It's confusing at this point, right?)

Now, time for something "fun," remember the twilight that occurred and how the two were on top of the mountain right? Both were 17 years old when the twilight lasted for a bit. That was the only time when both Taki and Mitsuha were the same age. When Taki mentioned "Here, I kept this for 3 years." I soon realized that Taki at this point is Younger than Mitsuha, by 3 years. If Mitsuha was alive, (well, is after Taki altered history by telling Mitsuha a plan where the residents would still be alive) she would be 20 years old.

What Zussolini said, was that Taki was older than Mitsuha, by 3 years. However, his/her claim would've been true IF Mitsuha went to the past to see Taki, and Taki going to the future to see Mitsuha. This would mean, Mitsuha would be seeing Taki 17 years old. And if Taki went to the future, which is 3 years ahead to see Mitsuha, she would have been 17.
So my final conclusion/verdict? Mitsuha is pretty much 3 years older than Taki.

And when Taki and Mitsuha met again in the ending, (???,???, 2021) Taki was 22-23, while Mitsuha was at least 25-26.

That's all pretty much what I theorized, while keeping some information about the movie, and real life concepts in mind. If you feel that there's a mistake, or something wrong about my claim, feel free to call me out about it. :)

-FuryTomic

I thought about this for a very long time too and came to the conclusion that Mitsuha is 3 years older than Taki as well. But why does MAL state that Taki is 3 years older according to their character information? :O

There are a few possibilities:
1- The Subbed Movie we saw could have some mistranslations, meaning some sentences were misinterpreted, (Human Error) or used in Google Translate.
2- MAL information can be edited like Wikipedia. Anyone can change information. Maybe someone must have edited it before hand.
3- We all misinterpreted (including me) our theories, and don't fully understand the information and message Makoto Shinkai tried to convince us in Kimi No Na Wa. (But I do know that Makoto was trying to convey the message of Musubi to us viewers.)
I can try to ask some friends on mine in Japan and see if they both watched the movie, and understood the message, or information that was given.

Any idea when did Mitsuha actually say that she's of the same age as Taki? Also do you mind explaining what Musubi meant? I didn't really understand and hence can't really catch Makoto's message from this movie :( Thanks!

No worries! I'll try to help explain it.
Mitsuha said that she's the same age as Taki when Zen Zen Zen Zense played. That was pretty much around the start and introduction of the movie. Musubi was actually well explained during the scene where Mitsuha's Grandmother was explaining about Musubi. I think it was around before they decided to go up the mountain and offered Kuchikamesake at the small shrine. In short, Musubi is like the flow of time. This is also where bonds, knots come together. It may split off, but it will also find its back together again. It is also one of the core concepts in Shinto that is refered to the power of creation, spirit of birth, and becoming.
But it was also explained in an interview with Makoto Shinkai. I need to pull up the link again when I get the chance to search for the interview with him.

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Sep 12, 2016 4:22 PM

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joy5 said:
Well not sure about your claim, but guess I'm not seeing Mitsuha older than Taki in any way. Well, that's what I concluded.
And about their ages in MAL character info, the 3-year gap b/w their age is because they are the protagonist in their respective time period.
Those are the ages of the "characters" that we saw in the movie.
It's pretty easy for me to understand, I'm not sure what is actually confusing you.
And I'm not sure, whether my explanation is going to help you or not.
That's All from my side :)
CIAO..

It was worded a little differently that sounded like it was talking about this and that and so forth. But I do understand a bit more of what you are talking about now. It was just a matter of explanation so it makes sense. Don't worry, I'm not calling you out on that. I was rather curious about what you interpreted it as.

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Sep 12, 2016 11:27 PM

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