| This final ep was a let down for me. It felt rushed and drawn out at the same time. Like they didn't have as much time to finish it as they really needed. I didn't get the thing with the ghost devil at all. Denji just staying in the elevator while Power thought he was right behind her was the best part of the episode. I want to see more of the violence fiend. Outside of Makima I think the only person in the special division we've seen kill a human is Kobeni. Kind of interesting. Grandpa was certainly a scumbag and so is sword man. Lots of people like them fool themselves into thinking they're some kind of higher class of criminal. Take a look into the Whitey Bolger case to see what a load of garbage that really is. So Himeno didn't want to let someone underage smoke, but would have totally banged someone underage. lol This last ep really cemented it as not being the show of the season for me. Too much time spent with Mr Blah, Aki, and not enough with all the more interesting characters. Also not enough world building and explanation on how the contracts and relationships between humans and devils work. Which makes what happened with Ghost and Aki just feel like a convenient DXM instead of something that actually makes sense. |
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MenchiK1 said: I mean I got that part but Ghost escaped, got turned, then turned again and recognized him enough to give him the smoke for Himeno. Like it was somehow contracted to snake girl but then decided to do it's last master's will and testament. Aki said The Ghost devil has no eyes and Himeno taught him it only "sees" fear, he just stopped being afraid. Also okay it can't see him but it should feel him walking on it's head? :p |
| Looks like a bunch of folks aren't satisfied by the adaptation: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-12-27/online-petition-to-redo-chainsaw-man-anime-gets-2000-signatures/.193391 |
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boldulysses said: That's nothing new...there are ALWAYS people complaining about adaptations, no matter how good they are. Se Re:Zero, I've seen a few people on Reddit who won't shut up about hating the anime....yet as an anime only viewer so far, I think it's one of the best Isekai, one of the best fantasy anime and one of the best anime overall.Looks like a bunch of folks aren't satisfied by the adaptation: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-12-27/online-petition-to-redo-chainsaw-man-anime-gets-2000-signatures/.193391 Oh, and I don't think there is anything more impotent and frivolous than an online petition....I never bother to waste time "signing" them even when I agree wholeheartedly |
HOOfan_1Dec 28, 2022 9:12 AM
MenchiK1 said: runec said: I mean I got that part but Ghost escaped, got turned, then turned again and recognized him enough to give him the smoke for Himeno. Like it was somehow contracted to snake girl but then decided to do it's last master's will and testament. Also okay it can't see him but it should feel him walking on it's head? :p A LOT in this show doesn't make sense. How did Aki kill Ghost by cutting off it's head when snake girl's devil did the same thing but it didn't die? Why did it obey snake girl when Himeno had to give it her eye just to use 1 arm and then her whole body for the whole thing? Why are Denji and sword guy immortal because they have a devil heart but devils themselves can die? Starting to get why there are no explanations because they don't actually follow any rules. Point taken. |
MenchiK1 said: The thing had it's hand around his neck. Even if he did stop being scared, which makes no sense, it should still be able to feel him in it's hand. If it's something like it can't detect you at all, even by feel, if you're not afraid of it, then how did it know he was there to give it the cigarette? Nothing of what happened there adds up. Having Kobeni tell the girl to stop it from killing Aki would have been a better way of handling it.Aki said The Ghost devil has no eyes and Himeno taught him it only "sees" fear, he just stopped being afraid. I'm still hoping for another season. There were a lot of things I liked and everyone says it gets better from here. |
| Cursive is the future. - Nate Bargatze |
| I'm inclined to agree that Himeno was controlling it. That line about not being able to see him just makes it more confusing. |
| At this point Himeno could show back up alive. Why not? Apparently anything can happen here for whatever reason. |
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| Watched the final episode, and while still enjoyable, I don't think it was its best work. The ghost devil does seem internally inconsistent even if you go with the possibility that it has inherited Himeno's will or similar. As for devils "dying" and seeming more brittle than Denji, well I do have an idea there. Devils in the show have largely looked to be rather transient - specially when being summoned. Even as they are described as a manifestation or reflection of our fears, they seem other worldly. That's why I imagine many of them become fiends, even if it weakens them, in order to gain more permanence. We saw with Pochi, that it made a strong and direct connection with Denji while seemingly sacrificing any autonomy to do so. For the same ephemeral reasons, it wouldn't surprise me to see ghost come back again if there was a reasonable or meaningful way to do so. I don't think anything has been explicitly said that dispatching a devil permanently removes it from our reality. Also, maybe Aki's new sword isn't your normal anime katana worshiping bullshit, and is actually considered holy which may confer some benefit to him. A ghastly reach, I know. If I were to rate this show as a shounen action show I'm thinking a 9 for all the effort, fun, and few criticisms I have. But I also think that just a shounen action show probably wouldn't get over a 7 from me even with all the quality effort made. Then I think about my favorite scene from episode 12. It's actually about Aki deciding whether or not to play jingle bells for Himeno at the end. He weighs for himself what's right here. He thinks about what Himeno would want. He decides she wouldn't want him to tarnish himself over it. I personally think that's wrong. This is a woman that seemed all too excited to sacrifice herself for the chance to make a spectacle in saving Aki, so that he would cry for and probably remember her forever. In the end, his sole is tested with his own brand of justice. Aki earlier on, after leaving the audience to question it, tells Denji that Makima is a good person for having saved him, and probably that she's saving humanity. Makima herself later lays down the law of what she calls necessary evil, and other characters would probably see her as the devil himself. Chainsaw Man also explores sexuality in ways I don't remember another shounen doing. It shows it as juvenile, ignorant, and messy. It says at the start that the most fun is had in the chase. Kobeni takes a job that stands a good chance of killing her in the short term rather than be sexually exploited. Later, just like a person would learn later in life, it says that the real fulfillment of sexuality is tied to the intimacy shared with the other person. It takes its time illustrating this including a way that makes the meme of lewd hand-holding actually feel like it's not a joke. Even though it was all likely rooted in seduction to manipulate someone. I also can ask myself would I be interested in seeing these characters outside of an action show. Yes, I think I would. So while it has mostly just been brief moments, what the show does with themes of sexuality, morality, and its potential to do so in the future, I think it elevates it to at least an 8 for me. And a good part of that is owed to the show's most boring character, Aki. As a final note, I think Chainsaw Man may be using Power as a symbol for a woman's power that was corrupted and feared. This is not a spoiler, but it is sensitive and serious enough that it might ruin some fun with a bit of real world disappointing history. |
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| @MenchiK1 That was interesting seeing these perspectives come together. I think a bigger picture is painted for me. As an American, I think it might be easy to forget how much religion and religious figures gain and influence political power probably more than they should. Your point of Power is more straight forward and easier for most to catch, and I think that makes it more solid. Also, if a character is just a symbol or one note, then it's not a great character. My point is more an idea of her devilhood, and yours more her characterization relative to others. I think more interestingly, what makes a "real girl" is something more philosophical. Pretty hair, full boobs, growing up with human female biology in a normal society, are those things needed? How much can one be feminine spiritually, and how much does seeking it for oneself weigh? I think Power is more of an exploration of what a real woman is of herself while adding and removing traits, both authorial and by character, some weighing more than others, that people generalize for women. So, more than fake, I think what Power represents with this line of thinking is fantasy. One of Denji's as it collides with the reality of whatever Power may be according to your values. Just like a fear real people face when seeking intimacy with a partner that may be more easily recognized when all the superficial falls away from a woman. And yes, just like Power may do for herself and others related to her, this show does a fun job of exploring deals and the value to be had with them. I like how it looks like Makima offers one condemned life with someone else going down that road as Makima appears to wash her hands of all of it. I think what Makima offers Denji is fidelity. Such to the extreme to be a fault, and counter point to Himeno. I do wonder what the new girl will offer Denji. |
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| Whatever else you may want to see there, Power is pretty much a female version of Denji with his ability to empathize with people removed. They even have matching teeth. |
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zkeleton said: Denji doesn't even have much of that...he admitted as much himself when he said he couldn't cry over Himeno's death. I guess the fact that he admits it means he has a shread of empathy.Denji with his ability to empathize with people removed. |
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