Fo-Fai said: Game 1 we voted on lynch but the top 2 wagons were both townies Game 2 we lynched the executioner Game 3 we voted no lynch (cloud was the reigning lynch candidate and I and some others successfully got him off the chopping block, I needed to use a bit of reverse psychology and harsh tactics, though) Game 5 we lynched the SK I lied I didn't play in game 4 and I went back to game 1 which we somehow also ended in no lynch. Game 1 was a mess anyway, though. lawl So game 5 we hit the sk(in a broken setup) LucianRoy said: Yea I skimmed day one. It's definitely an interesting twist. But did you notice how mishu didn't really mind to be investigated? Actually was kinda cool to see that. The interactions were kinda abysmal though and I would have been happier to see more votes and wagon hopping in an actual attempt to investigate mafia. Definitely, so far it seems to have worked out quite nicely in my game. We only included this rule because it's a really lax game, and day one lynching stresses everyone out. We also wanted new players to feel less cautious etc. The thing is, the mafia can't kill either, and this means it's basically an extra day with no chance anyone dying unnecessarily. If you ask me, the investigation will be much more useful to the mafia, and since the game is fairly stacked against them, they kind of need the extra hint. I still think that investigating mafia for a thread reveal would be redundant however. Considering they're as good as dead after that and pretty much acts as a no lynch. I guess there's info to be had from the votes though. Just seems like it favors town way too heavily. Curious to see how it turns out. Unlucky-kat said: I think it may work just simply because it's only for the day one. Still seems to favor the town a lot, though in my eyes. A bit too much. How about voting to lynch during the day time and voting to investigate during the night phase(the town will continue be able to vote to investigate for as long as the Seer/similar role is alive) I like the idea of voting to investigate but lynching is a necessary feature too even on the first day A separate voting stage for night phases that is just for investigation? I believe that's called a Cop. Revealing alignment in thread based on a majority vote is very non-standard. Mostly because night isn't suppose to take as long and is only for processing actions. You guys are getting into the realm of creating games that aren't wholly mafia. Which I've been thinking that we could use a change of pace and host a couple games that are more just mafia-esc. Or something completely different. It could be fun, who knows. |
Fo-Fai said: Fo-Fai said: Game 1 we voted on lynch but the top 2 wagons were both townies Game 2 we lynched the executioner Game 3 we voted no lynch (cloud was the reigning lynch candidate and I and some others successfully got him off the chopping block, I needed to use a bit of reverse psychology and harsh tactics, though) Game 5 we lynched the SK I lied I didn't play in game 4 and I went back to game 1 which we somehow also ended in no lynch. Game 1 was a mess anyway, though. lawl So game 5 we hit the sk(in a broken setup) LucianRoy said: Yea I skimmed day one. It's definitely an interesting twist. But did you notice how mishu didn't really mind to be investigated? Actually was kinda cool to see that. The interactions were kinda abysmal though and I would have been happier to see more votes and wagon hopping in an actual attempt to investigate mafia. Definitely, so far it seems to have worked out quite nicely in my game. We only included this rule because it's a really lax game, and day one lynching stresses everyone out. We also wanted new players to feel less cautious etc. The thing is, the mafia can't kill either, and this means it's basically an extra day with no chance anyone dying unnecessarily. If you ask me, the investigation will be much more useful to the mafia, and since the game is fairly stacked against them, they kind of need the extra hint. I still think that investigating mafia for a thread reveal would be redundant however. Considering they're as good as dead after that and pretty much acts as a no lynch. I guess there's info to be had from the votes though. Just seems like it favors town way too heavily. Curious to see how it turns out. Unlucky-kat said: I think it may work just simply because it's only for the day one. Still seems to favor the town a lot, though in my eyes. A bit too much. How about voting to lynch during the day time and voting to investigate during the night phase(the town will continue be able to vote to investigate for as long as the Seer/similar role is alive) I like the idea of voting to investigate but lynching is a necessary feature too even on the first day A separate voting stage for night phases that is just for investigation? I believe that's called a Cop. Revealing alignment in thread based on a majority vote is very non-standard. Mostly because night isn't suppose to take as long and is only for processing actions. You guys are getting into the realm of creating games that aren't wholly mafia. Which I've been thinking that we could use a change of pace and host a couple games that are more just mafia-esc. Or something completely different. It could be fun, who knows. Voting to investigate a role can backfire on the townies, for example if they get one of the power roles like the body guard which becomes easy targets for the mafia. There are more cons. for the townies to have it that way too. I think it can make more interesting games with new rules(they still need to be balanced though) but traditional games are fun too. |
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Unlucky-kat said: If you want to see interesting wait until I open H&H.I think it can make more interesting games with new rules(they still need to be balanced though) but traditional games are fun too. |
Fo-Fai said: Unlucky-kat said: If you want to see interesting wait until I open H&H.I think it can make more interesting games with new rules(they still need to be balanced though) but traditional games are fun too. Sign me up ^^ |
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| I wonder if anyone would be interested in playing a phone version of mafia sometime. I know how to make it work.~ |
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MaiTai said: Like lighting mafia in real time. I wonder if anyone would be interested in playing a phone version of mafia sometime. I know how to make it work.~ God those games are fun. We should schedule something like that. |
MaiTai said: I wonder if anyone would be interested in playing a phone version of mafia sometime. I know how to make it work.~ I don't know what it's like but I'm willing to give it a try. |
MaiTai said: I wonder if anyone would be interested in playing a phone version of mafia sometime. I know how to make it work.~ Sounds like it might be fun! ..... ..... ..... How does it work? |
| Lol, Game 6 I was a noob once, but at least I knew that mafia wasn't a fricken guessing game. @ Fo, P.S. You and I hopefully have similar intuitions as to who the mafia are. I suggest making them talk. -Just an opinion from an outside perspective. Oh, and go easy on the noobs, you can be really intimidating sometimes, and that's pretty much the only reason they're all voting for you. |
LucianRoyAug 16, 2014 11:44 PM
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| I'm not even in the game, man. You can just consider me a rambler. |
LucianRoyAug 16, 2014 11:47 PM
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Fo-Fai said: A word of cation, though. Please keep in mind that this thread is public so if you would like to chat about games that are currently on-going, keep the talks very generalized. |
| Not tryna be a spoilsport or anything but yea. |
| Oh crap, sorry I forgot about that. Damn, I'm just an idiot today, I need some sleep. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Here, I'll apologize to anyone I singled out, but what's said is said; no point in taking it down. Sorry! |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| I think it's better to at least edit the post where you accused them of being mafia. You can take a screenshot of it before editing if you wish to keep it as proof of your predictions(I think that's why you're leaving it as is). |
| It won't really mean much since they already know I said it, but I'll still do it if you want me to. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: It won't really mean much since they already know I said it, but I'll still do it if you want me to. I do, I don't want anyone to accuse you or Fo-Fai of breaking the rules. |
| what did i do? |
| Nothing man, your cool. It was my mistake. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Fo-Fai said: what did i do? Nothing but it sounded like he was talking to you. If any of the players mentioned die, they might get mad & accuse you & lucian of cheating. It's better to just avoid any possible drama. |
grave_robber said: Yes drama is unneeded.Fo-Fai said: what did i do? Nothing but it sounded like he was talking to you. If any of the players mentioned die, they might get mad & accuse you & lucian of cheating. It's better to just avoid any possible drama. |
Fo-Fai said: grave_robber said: Yes drama is unneeded.Nothing but it sounded like he was talking to you. If any of the players mentioned die, they might get mad & accuse you & lucian of cheating. It's better to just avoid any possible drama. I wasn't looking to start anything! I'm not going to be the guy that picks fights on purpose. I just gave my opinion on the game so far. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: I wasn't looking to start anything! I'm not going to be the guy that picks fights on purpose. I just gave my opinion on the game so far. No one's accusing you of that, we're trying to avoid that. Anyhow, how do you like hosting? this is your 1st time, right? |
| It's going ok. Like you said, it's a minigame n' all, but it's not exactly the most interesting to watch per say. Even then, it's still really fun to host games though. You can see the plot behind every post, and this allows you to actually be able to think like the people in the game. My game's slow right now only because everyone has a pretty clear idea of what they're trying to do; thus no reason to talk about any doubt and such. I'm sure it will pick up a lot tomorrow. Also, after my game ends, I was thinking of setting up a game feedback thread for people to talk about their opinions of the games. What they thought went well/ what they thought could have been done better, and what they want to change/keep in a future game. It can also be a place to discuss rules. We should probably all start thinking about a set group of rules for each club game instead of adding in random ones for different games and such. It's okay to do once in a while, but that's mostly for experimenting. What do you think? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| For instance, it doesn't appear like the wiki poll idea worked too well so far. People probably used that to try and sneak votes in without giving themselves away in the thread. We could discuss this issue in a thread like mine. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| LOL worthy day 1. |
| Why do you say that Fo? Is it because you guys had no lynch, and everyone was unsynchronized, or was it because eventually all the arguing didn't result in anything? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| It was just really funny. Haven't had that much excitement in a while. At least in a mafia game and for the first day no less. xD |
| I can get that. Some posts even made my day. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: For instance, it doesn't appear like the wiki poll idea worked too well so far. People probably used that to try and sneak votes in without giving themselves away in the thread. We could discuss this issue in a thread like mine. Did they really? LOL! I went and checked, seems like 12 votes are accounted for. Feel sorry for Karote/grave but still.... *giggle*. |
| I guess the poll is more just an unofficial way for players to keep track of votes. The only votes that count are the ones made in the thread. Which makes a bit more sense. |
Fo-Fai said: I guess the poll is more just an unofficial way for players to keep track of votes. The only votes that count are the ones made in the thread. Which makes a bit more sense. That's the kind of point I was going to bring up. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| *deep breath* Seems like we need something special, if we really are going to use an external poll system. In fact, I had an idea about developing a site for that this afternoon. I am coming up with designs and all for that. If it works out, I'm going to staff chat thread to discuss. But not gonna announce, cos if I don't finish it, don't want people to start asking me about the project. I am thinking about doing it, but may not go through with it. It depends... |
| I still don't see what's so hard about bolding a person's name. If you want to know the vote counts, then ask the host. It's their job. |
Fo-Fai said: I still don't see what's so hard about bolding a person's name. If you want to know the vote counts, then ask the host. It's their job. Yes, it gets messy. Especially when people are voting and unvoting. |
| It's pretty easy to do in my game, but I guess I'm an exception. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
cloud2313 said: Isn't that what you're suppose to do, though? Fo-Fai said: I still don't see what's so hard about bolding a person's name. If you want to know the vote counts, then ask the host. It's their job. Yes, it gets messy. Especially when people are voting and unvoting. Simpler is better. I was legitimately confused on what the real vote count was. So were the hosts. That should never happen. |
Fo-Fai said: cloud2313 said: Isn't that what you're suppose to do, though? Yes, it gets messy. Especially when people are voting and unvoting. Simpler is better. I was legitimately confused on what the real vote count was. So were the hosts. That should never happen. True. If the hosts arent up to date with polls, the confusion only grows. That is partially the reason, Im thinking about making the new site. I want it to be as simplistic as possible. Vote page fo players, mafia vote page(only for mafia), staff pages(player addition/removal page and new game page). And of course, this will include a login page(seperate for staff), so players cant sneak in vote or vote on other games. Im thinking it could be done in 1 month. But we'll see |
cloud2313Aug 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Fo-Fai said: cloud2313 said: Isn't that what you're suppose to do, though? Yes, it gets messy. Especially when people are voting and unvoting. Simpler is better. I was legitimately confused on what the real vote count was. So were the hosts. That should never happen. We were not confused, the poll results are posted on the wiki. Out of the 10 votes only 8 were matched, someone voted in the poll but not the thread, someone else voted in the thread but not the poll. I wouldn't judge this poll system yet, it's literally the 1st time anyone has used it. Once the players start using it more, it will give us better indications. We can build on it for future games & find a poll that does suit all our needs & still be flexible. Manual vote counting is what gets confusing, time consuming & messy. |
grave_robberAug 17, 2014 3:10 PM
grave_robber said: Not if you keep up with the vote totals. Which you didn't really because you only posted like two. When there should have been MANY MANY more than that given the amount of voting and switching during that day. I understand if you're busy and can't commit all your attention to hosting. That's not really fair to the players in the game though. Manual vote counting is what gets confusing, time consuming & messy. It disrupts the flow of the game exponentially when nobody knows what the fuck is going on or what's gonna happen. grave_robber said: There's a reason nobody has ever done it before. It's a bad idea It's confusing and doesn't really help at all. I wouldn't judge this poll system yet, it's literally the 1st time anyone has used it. Once the players start using it more, it will give us better indications. We can build on it for future games & find a poll that does suit all our needs & still be flexible. Trust me as a player in your game I'm very well entitled to my opinion on it. I bet others think the same. Would have worked better with more vote counts from the host I think. |
cloud2313 said: Your right the fault doesn't lie completely on the hosts. And it's not a whole lot to ask for people to read the rules of the game but why even create something that very well could not be correct and then tell the players to base their plays and decisions on it?True. If the hosts arent up to date with polls, the confusion only grows. That is partially the reason, Im thinking about making the new site. I want it to be as simplistic as possible. Vote page fo players, mafia vote page(only for mafia), staff pages(player addition/removal page and new game page). And of course, this will include a login page(seperate for staff), so players cant sneak in vote or vote on other games. Im thinking it could be done in 1 month. But we'll see |
Fo-Fai said: grave_robber said: Not if you keep up with the vote totals. Which you didn't really because you only posted like two. When there should have been MANY MANY more than that given the amount of voting and switching during that day. I understand if you're busy and can't commit all your attention to hosting. That's not really fair to the players in the game though. Manual vote counting is what gets confusing, time consuming & messy. It disrupts the flow of the game exponentially when nobody knows what the fuck is going on or what's gonna happen. grave_robber said: There's a reason nobody has ever done it before. It's a bad idea It's confusing and doesn't really help at all. I wouldn't judge this poll system yet, it's literally the 1st time anyone has used it. Once the players start using it more, it will give us better indications. We can build on it for future games & find a poll that does suit all our needs & still be flexible. Trust me as a player in your game I'm very well entitled to my opinion on it. I bet others think the same. Would have worked better with more vote counts from the host I think. Ok, now you are making up excuses to back up your clearly bad ideas. Karote & I have posted more than 8 times the vote count. We went over them twice before making the dicision so don't you dare question our abilities as host ever again! |
| No need to get mad. If you're doing your best then fair enough. I just think that when there's two hosts a vote count here and there isn't that much to ask. If you posted 8 of them, I don't remember. grave_robber said: Lol. wut?Ok, now you are making up excuses to back up your clearly bad ideas. |
Fo-Fai said: cloud2313 said: Your right the fault doesn't lie completely on the hosts. And it's not a whole lot to ask for people to read the rules of the game but why even create something that very well could not be correct and then tell the players to base their plays and decisions on it?True. If the hosts arent up to date with polls, the confusion only grows. That is partially the reason, Im thinking about making the new site. I want it to be as simplistic as possible. Vote page fo players, mafia vote page(only for mafia), staff pages(player addition/removal page and new game page). And of course, this will include a login page(seperate for staff), so players cant sneak in vote or vote on other games. Im thinking it could be done in 1 month. But we'll see Like Grave said, it's still a work in progress. To make it work we just need to clear up the rules with everyone. Then the input will be correct. The reason it wasn't in game six probably had to do with the fact that people weren't paying attention to the warnings Grave gave about synchronizing votes. If people did, then I bet everything would've cleared up. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| You can at the very least understand why it would be irritating to not know what the fucking vote count is. I would hope. |
Fo-Fai said: You can at the very least understand why it would be irritating to not know what the fucking vote count is. I would hope. I know, I understand it must be frustrating, but all is said and done. There's not much we can do about it now other than make it work tomorrow. Grave's just doing the best she can with the set up she chose. No one can blame her for trying to make it work. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Why am I always the bad guy. -_- Look I'm just giving the same opinion on the poll voting that I did before the game even started. I even said the fault isn't all on the hosts. So grave should know it's nothing personal. |
Fo-Fai said: grave_robber said: Not if you keep up with the vote totals. Which you didn't really because you only posted like two. When there should have been MANY MANY more than that given the amount of voting and switching during that day. I understand if you're busy and can't commit all your attention to hosting. That's not really fair to the players in the game though. Manual vote counting is what gets confusing, time consuming & messy. It disrupts the flow of the game exponentially when nobody knows what the fuck is going on or what's gonna happen. grave_robber said: There's a reason nobody has ever done it before. It's a bad idea It's confusing and doesn't really help at all. I wouldn't judge this poll system yet, it's literally the 1st time anyone has used it. Once the players start using it more, it will give us better indications. We can build on it for future games & find a poll that does suit all our needs & still be flexible. Trust me as a player in your game I'm very well entitled to my opinion on it. I bet others think the same. Would have worked better with more vote counts from the host I think. I think questioning the host's commitment is going too far I do agree with your points on this but I think that was uneeded tbh I don't want this to become a drama or anything this is a trial system they was always going to be problems and blameing the hosts for brining in new ideas in is not helpful |
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Fo-Fai said: MaiTai said: Like lighting mafia in real time. I wonder if anyone would be interested in playing a phone version of mafia sometime. I know how to make it work.~ God those games are fun. We should schedule something like that. grave_robber said: I don't know what it's like but I'm willing to give it a try. Smurphinator said: Sounds like it might be fun! ..... ..... ..... How does it work? Glad you all ask! Basically you vote via voice/text (if we're using Skype and some people are shy) and for actions, they can just IM the GM so others can't see.. Like the mafia/bad guys can kill in the night the same way we always do. It's not very hard at all lol. Phases can run by minutes, so like 5 minute or 10 minute phases (etc.) |
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