Astros said: Icibalus said: I want to say that Denja is more referring to that it's irrelevant in finding mafia. Establishing the role pairs doesn't help in that and actually can lead our search astray by the need to pin a specific pairing to two players. "If I were to assign the w/v pair who would be the best candidate?" That completely ignores the possibility that your own pair could be that one and your current reads which are incomplete. It's jumping to conclusions. It is random but I have DIRECT confirmation from the mod that there is at least one v/w pair. Therefore, those are the only two possibilities. Secondly, it is far from irrelevant. I haven't done the exact calculations but it intuitively makes sense that it is more likely for there to be the setup with a w/w pair, which is very helpful for our PoE. I agree, but there's always more than one villager. If we all formulate reads entirely independent of each other we might get somewhere, but this is a team game. |
Firekitten said: Seshmaster said: That's not answering my question. The answer is implied there Oh wait you said partner astros is town |
| Noooo, no it's not. I want it outright. Do you scumread their partner? |
Firekitten said: Okay then, so vote me.Firekitten said: The answer is implied there Oh wait you said partner astros is town |
| @icibalus help blue is being unreasonable |
Seshmaster said: Okay then, so vote me. Do me a favor and read Gwen’s posts first |
Icibalus said: However, if I should humor you, there is another setup than the one you mentioned:It is random but I have DIRECT confirmation from the mod that there is at least one v/w pair. Therefore, those are the only two possibilities. Secondly, it is far from irrelevant. I haven't done the exact calculations but it intuitively makes sense that it is more likely for there to be the setup with a w/w pair, which is very helpful for our PoE. 2 w/w, 6 v/v also correcting one of the setup due to incorrect crunch of numbers: 4 w/v, 4 v/v and finally 1 w/w, 2 w/v, 5 v/v My point is, dwelling on the setup is pointless kek but i appreciate the thought about it |
DenjaX said: Icibalus said: However, if I should humor you, there is another setup than the one you mentioned:It is random but I have DIRECT confirmation from the mod that there is at least one v/w pair. Therefore, those are the only two possibilities. Secondly, it is far from irrelevant. I haven't done the exact calculations but it intuitively makes sense that it is more likely for there to be the setup with a w/w pair, which is very helpful for our PoE. 2 w/w, 6 v/v also correcting one of the setup due to incorrect crunch of numbers: 4 w/v, 4 v/v and finally 1 w/w, 2 w/v, 5 v/v There can’t be 2 w/w the mod confirmed it |
DenjaX said: Icibalus said: However, if I should humor you, there is another setup than the one you mentioned:It is random but I have DIRECT confirmation from the mod that there is at least one v/w pair. Therefore, those are the only two possibilities. Secondly, it is far from irrelevant. I haven't done the exact calculations but it intuitively makes sense that it is more likely for there to be the setup with a w/w pair, which is very helpful for our PoE. 2 w/w, 6 v/v also correcting one of the setup due to incorrect crunch of numbers: 4 w/v, 4 v/v and finally 1 w/w, 2 w/v, 5 v/v That's impossible. I repeat, ALBERTINODIAS HAS CONFIRMED THERE IS AT LEAST ONE W/V PAIR |
| So you guys would rather lynch 1 mafia than lynching 2 mafias at once? What is going on with this logic? |
Icibalus said: NewG said: Yup, it will always lead to self destructive town. Be open minded and let yourself doubt your reads until proven right. This post feels like Gwen (I assume the G stands for Gwen) is just begging for villagecred. I keep mulling it over in my mind, thinking maybe that he's genuinely trying to improve Litten's reads, but the post just feels too preachy to make sense. I get the feeling that is genuinely his perspective, but the way it's posted dosen't really have an end if we assume Gwen is village. If we go about this from the perspective of him fishing for credit as wolf, it makes perfect sense, however. I find a common misconception is that people read people as villa for 'being nice', and that's what Gwen seems to be aiming at but not quite reaching. Vote: NewG For now, at least. See the above post. |
DenjaX said: So you guys would rather lynch 1 mafia than lynching 2 mafias at once? What is going on with this logic? The logic is that we don’t know who tf is aw/w pair RN so we are lynching mafia |
DenjaX said: ScarletCelestial said: So why aren't you lynching me? The horrible truth about a Lovers game is we have to sacrifice an innocent town in order to get rid of a mafia. We shouldn't backpedal on this because it is the only way for town to win.True - the most likely M/M pairing is yourself and Awesome, so unless you're exactly half of the scum team it would probably mean there's 4 M/T pairs. My gut says that the latter is less likely imo, but... that could be the case. Because I want to see what you act like first and then decide if it's M/M or not? If not, then I'd be happier voting elsewhere. |
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Seshmaster said: All he's done is ask where Geyde went, and when I asked him to convince me he was town, say "I'm town, the towniest town to ever town" and that's that. Wow that is... not good. Kinda weird that he hasn't tried bargaining with you yet if he is scum, though? |
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Firekitten said: You don't know who is a w/w pair, yet have several w/v? How does that make sense. The logic is that we don’t know who tf is aw/w pair RN so we are lynching mafia |
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| Gwen's posts make so little sense that it just feels like he's trying desperately to get credit for thread presence and that's it. Blue, trust me and Litten for once. We're willing to lynch Hjasik tommorow, but not today. |
| I’m getting frustrated because we have a guy self voting and someone arguing why tf do I have several w/v pairs and not w/w pairs |
Astros said: Firekitten said: You don't know who is a w/w pair, yet have several w/v? How does that make sense. The logic is that we don’t know who tf is aw/w pair RN so we are lynching mafia Your pair is probably a v/w pair lol |
| ...Uh quick thing if Gwen flips Town then it would not surprise me if Mesk/Litten is a thing. |
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ScarletCelestial said: Seshmaster said: All he's done is ask where Geyde went, and when I asked him to convince me he was town, say "I'm town, the towniest town to ever town" and that's that. Wow that is... not good. Kinda weird that he hasn't tried bargaining with you yet if he is scum, though? That’s his meta as scum is to not post at all |
ScarletCelestial said: ...Uh quick thing if Gwen flips Town then it would not surprise me if Mesk/Litten is a thing. I’m literally saying Vote mesk tomorrow |
DenjaX said: So you guys would rather lynch 1 mafia than lynching 2 mafias at once? What is going on with this logic? Denja, in trying to get yourself killed I think it may adequately suggest you're not scum. You're literally provoking people to vote you. |
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Icibalus said: With how others are coming to that conclusion. Your pair is just as likely a v/w pair as well. Your pair is probably a v/w pair lol |
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Astros said: Firekitten said: You don't know who is a w/w pair, yet have several w/v? How does that make sense. The logic is that we don’t know who tf is aw/w pair RN so we are lynching mafia Dude, it's possible there's no M/M but there is definitely M/T out there. By Townreading people it removes possible M/M pairs, and Litten has arrived at the conclusion that there are possible M/T pairs, whilst they can't find an M/M one. Hence why they're happy with their vote. Your logic feels so stupid right now. |
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ScarletCelestial said: Astros said: You don't know who is a w/w pair, yet have several w/v? How does that make sense. Dude, it's possible there's no M/M but there is definitely M/T out there. By Townreading people it removes possible M/M pairs, and Litten has arrived at the conclusion that there are possible M/T pairs, whilst they can't find an M/M one. Hence why they're happy with their vote. Your logic feels so stupid right now. Yeah I’m getting frustrated with everyone’s logic in the last ten minutes |
Firekitten said: ScarletCelestial said: Wow that is... not good. Kinda weird that he hasn't tried bargaining with you yet if he is scum, though? That’s his meta as scum is to not post at all Yeah, and he hasn't. But I'm thinking that as scum, he'd at least try and bargain with his partner in the lover chat? Might be wrong on this point, but it sounds logical to me. |
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| Actually Mesk sounds illogical so my logic may not actually work. |
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ScarletCelestial said: Yeah, and he hasn't. But I'm thinking that as scum, he'd at least try and bargain with his partner in the lover chat? Might be wrong on this point, but it sounds logical to me. You are wrong on this post you don’t know hjaisk at all. |
ScarletCelestial said: Actually Mesk sounds illogical so my logic may not actually work. There you go |
Firekitten said: ScarletCelestial said: ...Uh quick thing if Gwen flips Town then it would not surprise me if Mesk/Litten is a thing. I’m literally saying Vote mesk tomorrow Oops. Sorry. |
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ScarletCelestial said: The fact you see my question as logic says it all. Your logic feels so stupid right now. |
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| Last thing before I go for a while: DOES ANYBODY (besides the idiot thief) NOT WANT GWEN DEAD? |
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Astros said: ScarletCelestial said: The fact you see my question as logic says it all. Your logic feels so stupid right now. wut |
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| Okay, here's why Gwen is the best lynch. 1. He's wolf lol 2. Although Astros is fairly obvious village, making it a v/w lynch, v/w lynches are objectively unavoidable here. We don't have an obvious w/w pair so we should just lynch wolves. 3. If we lynch a v/w pair today, and another v/w pair later on, we can theoretically get an easy PoE by semi-eliminating all pairs with a solid village read in them. This, I argue, is not a breaking strategy but it certainly makes our D3/4 reads more accurate. |
Astros said: question for you: do you think gwen is town? if not, Are you willing to sack of rice yourself to help town win?ScarletCelestial said: The fact you see my question as logic says it all. Your logic feels so stupid right now. |
| I kind of regret bringing up the whole w/w pair PoE thing, because now people have gotten the point where we aren't just lynching Gwen because he's wolf. |
Icibalus said: Okay, i stand corrected. I just have confirmation from the mod as well. Seems to be a special win for any surviving lovers regardless on which alignment won. xDDThat's impossible. I repeat, ALBERTINODIAS HAS CONFIRMED THERE IS AT LEAST ONE W/V PAIR Tho it is best to think about the worst case scenario which is 4 w/v pair. It will prevent disappointments that way. I also got my role now. lets do this. |
| YOU MEAN I LITERALLY HAVE TO READ ALL THEIR PREVIOUS POSTS AS NAI WHEN I WAS THINKING THEY ARE A VILLAGER AHHHHHH |
Firekitten said: YOU MEAN I LITERALLY HAVE TO READ ALL THEIR PREVIOUS POSTS AS NAI WHEN I WAS THINKING THEY ARE A VILLAGER AHHHHHH welcome to mafia, how can we help you |
DenjaX said: I'm unsure. They haven't been around in the chat enough for me to form a solid read. But so far I disagree with the reasons for suspecting her, as most of what I've seen seems to be "because she's scummy.". If I find her to be Mafia, I would rice myself. question for you: do you think gwen is town? if not, Are you willing to sack of rice yourself to help town win? |
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DenjaX said: @Awesome5000 oi you just posted in discord. SHOW YOURSELF How many times has he posted in your chat |
Astros said: DenjaX said: I'm unsure. They haven't been around in the chat enough for me to form a solid read. But so far I disagree with the reasons for suspecting her, as most of what I've seen seems to be "because she's scummy.". If I find her to be Mafia, I would rice myself. question for you: do you think gwen is town? if not, Are you willing to sack of rice yourself to help town win? Do you have any better idea on who to lynch |
Astros said: DenjaX said: I'm unsure. They haven't been around in the chat enough for me to form a solid read. But so far I disagree with the reasons for suspecting her, as most of what I've seen seems to be "because she's scummy.". If I find her to be Mafia, I would rice myself. question for you: do you think gwen is town? if not, Are you willing to sack of rice yourself to help town win? How about their posts often having little point and feeling like they were just thrown out for the sake of being thrown out or for credit? Or for the fact that they just have a really awful tone? |
| I want anyone to read Gwen post and give me one good reason you town read them. |
Icibalus said: I've seen worse from Town. Much worse. How about their posts often having little point and feeling like they were just thrown out for the sake of being thrown out or for credit? Or for the fact that they just have a really awful tone? Firekitten said: Yes. No one. D1 does not require a lynch. Do you have any better idea on who to lynch |
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Astros said: Icibalus said: I've seen worse from Town. Much worse. How about their posts often having little point and feeling like they were just thrown out for the sake of being thrown out or for credit? Or for the fact that they just have a really awful tone? Firekitten said: Yes. No one. D1 does not require a lynch. Do you have any better idea on who to lynch You can't say that wolfy people aren't wolfy just because you've seen a villager do wolfy things before. And I'm amazed you don't know that it's always best to lynch D1. Period. |
Astros said: Icibalus said: I've seen worse from Town. Much worse. How about their posts often having little point and feeling like they were just thrown out for the sake of being thrown out or for credit? Or for the fact that they just have a really awful tone? Firekitten said: Yes. No one. D1 does not require a lynch. Do you have any better idea on who to lynch We are lynching today and you can’t stop me |
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