| Episode 6 This one was better than the last episode, I think. Still hyper, though, but I think that's starting to work better. I'm not sure that I like that it just completely dropped the Chihaya stalking issue the last episode ended on. Sure, it was funny to have the guy be dense, but also a far too convenient cleanup; Nukumizu shouldn't have lied thus. Kind of a jerk move; he had already somewhat betrayed glasses guy by agreeing to go around stalking him with Chihaya. But that does seem like the kind of immature tactics a kid would come up with, as I feel like I remember similar things gaming social relationships in college (though I was primarily trying to counter this brilliant kid who toyed with people). I prefer Anna myself; she's the most fun, and she has the kind of self-awareness I appreciate. She goes all-in and can kind of tell that she does. She reminds me of one of my good friends from grad school, who was also obsessed with food (but also introspection, and good at it). We used to go grocery shopping together, and it was both happy and disturbing how excited she'd get. So I'm kind of like that myself now. |
| I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
| So the ED animation is partly inspired by Lemon's children's story? |
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Domvina said: So the ED animation is partly inspired by Lemon's children's story? Apparently. Kind of weird for them to switch up the ED after only 4 eps, but I'm glad they introduced it one ep before Lemon told her story, otherwise it would've seemed a little too on the nose... Still prefer the original ED though. |
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marklebid said: The first ED was sung by Anna's VA. The second one is by Lemon's. They seem to be taking turns getting focus. Ah gotcha. I guess we should expect Komari to take a turn starting ep.9, then. |
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| They did him dirty not telling him it was going to be overnight. Koto's a real manipulator, not a big fan of her. Lemon may be my favorite of the girls, but I think Komari might be the best one for Nukumizu. They seem to be on a similar wavelength. The crab thing was pretty funny. |
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| While we're waiting for Saturday to roll around, I think we should pause and appreciate the quality of the physical acting here in ep.4. This would've been two static, blushing, talking heads in most other anime. The remainder of the scene is just as good. |
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boldulysses said: ile we're waiting for Saturday to roll around, I think we should pause and appreciate the quality of the physical acting here in ep.4. This would've been two static, blushing, talking heads in most other anime. I would enjoy this series even without the amazing animation thanks to the great acting and fun dialogue, but it just pushes every episode to another level. The artists are really cooking. |
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While we're waiting for Saturday to roll around, I think we should pause and appreciate the quality of the physical acting here in ep.4. This would've been two static, blushing, talking heads in most other anime.
The remainder of the scene is just as good.
The remainder of the scene is just as good.
boldulysses said: This would've been two static, blushing, talking heads in most other anime Or two shots from the eyes up so they didn't have to animate their mouths moving. |
| Episode 7 And now, Lemon gets the full truth about his relationship with Chihaya. After spending a night in the countryside, they head back to the city, and at night Lemon and Mitsuki break into the elementary school they went to in order to have this secret meeting. Basically there were two things that led Mitsuki to falling for Chihaya. First, there's Lemon's popularity among the guys as Mitsuki didn't think he had much of a chance with her. And more importantly, Mitsuki was looking to get a job involving books, which is why he was drawn towards Chihaya seeing that her life is all about reading, as opposed to Lemon being the athlete. That was a great way to resolve this conflict of interest seeing that Mitsuki remains close friends with Lemon, but they just weren't compatible to be a couple in the end. |
| The cicada scaring the kid comedic beat when Anna dropped that question on Nukumizu near the end cracked me up. Was she serious, though? About having Ayano pose as her boyfriend? I mean, surely not. Anna's a bit of a ditz but she also seems pretty socially savvy. Regardless, it was a nice echo of ep.4's ending scene, except this time Nukumizu got to (gently) put Anna in her place. MenchiK1 said: Not very satisfying hearing his "I didn't realize my feelings for you were love until I started dating someone else"...uh OK. In his defense, I don't think it was just that—he was also intimidated by her popularity—and the whole "What are these weird feelings?" cluelessness seems to be pretty common in anime. It's like none of these kids have ever watched a movie with any romance in it whatsoever. Also, we need to discuss the real unsung hero of this anime: S-tier LN titles.  Engel's Coefficient... LOL. |
boldulyssesAug 24, 2024 1:42 PM
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| Episode 7: Starting to drag I don't see that Lemon and Mitsuki actually resolved anything. I also don't see why she has to give up on him. What I do see is that Chihaya knows what she wants and does what she needs to get it, while Mitsuki is indecisive. At this point there's no reason Lemon has to "lose"; she can just wait. Maybe the problem is that an anime like this doesn't progress on that timescale, so it has to act like it's wrapped things up. It is good it had Chihaya admit she's not a great person, because she isn't and that's what makes her interesting and a good character. But that just makes it more obvious the difference between her and Lemon is how willing they are to advocate for themselves. Also: There was almost no Komari. This Lemon arc hasn't been particularly entertaining; we even needed Anna to wrap up the episode. |
| I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
MenchiK1 said: Not very satisfying hearing his "I didn't realize my feelings for you were love until I started dating someone else"...uh OK. First misstep for this show. I thought it was perfect. This is a show about the losers and the trope of the clueless male MC who can't see his feelings for his childhood friend is so strong that we all know when watching a harem romcom the childhood friend never wins no matter how close or perfectly matched she may be for the MC. Honestly, I feel the Lemon arc hit a little close to home as I confessed to a close friend as well. The feeling wasn't mutual and things became awkward after that and we steadily grew apart after graduating. I'm a tad jealous Lemon appears to be on a path to keeping her friendship together. |
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auroraloose said: ...Mitsuki is indecisive. At this point there's no reason Lemon has to "lose"; she can just wait. Maybe the problem is that an anime like this doesn't progress on that timescale, so it has to act like it's wrapped things up. Mitsuki's indecisiveness is the whole issue; Lemon's done everything she can, but can't force the issue unless/until he chooses differently. If I were her, I'd be heartbroken but could at least console myself that I'd done everything I could, and the ball was in his court, STS. I don't think the anime implied that they would never get together in the future, but like you alluded to, the narrative has to turn the page. It's not wrapped up per se; it just stopped in a sensible place. Domvina said: Honestly, I feel the Lemon arc hit a little close to home as I confessed to a close friend as well. The feeling wasn't mutual and things became awkward after that and we steadily grew apart after graduating. I'm a tad jealous Lemon appears to be on a path to keeping her friendship together. I had the opposite happen to me in my mid-20s. A female friend I had known since early HS, and hung out with all the time, confessed to me (said she wanted to "give 'us' a try"), and I had to turn her down. Prior to her confession, I strongly considered asking her out—agonized over it, in fact—but had to be honest with myself that I didn't have those feelings for her. We stayed friends for a year or two afterward, and still hung out, but drifted apart after I moved away. She's doing well now from what I can tell; got married, has a daughter, etc. |
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marklebid said: kiribi sparks I thought it was like flint and steel and she was trying to set him on fire |
| Damn, the subtle character animation in this show is just astounding. |
| I really, really, wanted Nukumizu to tell Lemon that wanting Mitsuki and Chihaya to break up is perfectly normal. But it wouldn't have made sense for his character to have that level of maturity. I know this show is using all the typical anime romance tropes, but I would have been perfectly happy if they had skipped the one where a character doesn't/didn't realize how they feel about someone. Maybe I'm weird--well I am, but that's another matter--but even when I was pretty young I was never all that confused about when I was attracted to someone. By the time I was in junior high, when Mitsuki says he didn't know, I wasn't confused at all about that sort of thing. auroraloose said: I'm expecting Komari will the get the lions share of the next arc the way Lemon did with this one. I hope she does anyway.Also: There was almost no Komari. This Lemon arc hasn't been particularly entertaining; we even needed Anna to wrap up the episode. The childhood friend might typically be the losing heroine, but at least they almost always get plenty of focus and screen time. Characters like Komari tend to be ones that most anime don't really know what to do with and too often are just there to round out some harem or other. Unless they're taken to super extreme levels of shyness like she-who-shall-not-be-named. |
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boldulysses said: I don't think the anime implied that they would never get together in the future, but like you alluded to, the narrative has to turn the page. It's not wrapped up per se; it just stopped in a sensible place. You just reminded me how the series started out with Nukumizu saying almost all high school relationships never last past graduation. Perhaps by "losing" in high school Lemon may "win" later. Especially by being so graceful in her loss and maintaining the friendship. |
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zkeleton said: I really, really, wanted Nukumizu to tell Lemon that wanting Mitsuki and Chihaya to break up is perfectly normal. But it wouldn't have made sense for his character to have that level of maturity. Funny you say that, because as she was crying next to him, I was waiting and waiting for him to say something exactly like that, but he remained completely silent, and I actually liked that, because in the majority of romcoms, he would have said something that sounded much smarter than he actually has shown himself to be. So far Nukumizu has avoided the two main male romcom MC tropes: Dense as a rod of depleted uranium, while girls drop hints that they like him and way smarter than they have any right to be. Then again, that seems to be the point of this show, Nukumizu is in actuality the MC of the show, but he acts more like a mob character. Cid Kagenou would be proud. |
Domvina said: Perhaps by "losing" in high school Lemon may "win" later. Especially by being so graceful in her loss and maintaining the friendship. Interesting how that happens... But there's something to be said for striking while the iron is hot, so to speak. Mitsuki may "wake up" to his feelings for Lemon in college or later only to find that she really is actually over him. Happened to me at different times, twice: Girls I had a crushes on but had no interest in me (much) later wanted to date, but I had moved on. I didn't handle the 2nd situation all that well, but that's a story for another time. HOOfan_1 said: Funny you say that, because as she was crying next to him, I was waiting and waiting for him to say something exactly like that, but he remained completely silent, and I actually liked that, because in the majority of romcoms, he would have said something that sounded much smarter than he actually has shown himself to be. It's funny you say that, because I remember thinking the conversation between Anna & Nukumizu at night in the house had the tone of two twentysomethings discussing relationships over a late-night snack, i.e. way more mature than what would be typical of two 15-year-olds. Nukumizu's silence next to Lemon was actually perfect; I feel like she just needed someone to sit next to her as she cried, like Komari needed him to leave when she was crying on the beach. |
boldulyssesAug 26, 2024 10:18 PM
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| So, Komari's arc is done, and Lemon's arc is also done. Does this mean we in the Yanami x Nukumizu territory now? Please tell me we are. Nothing against those two chapters but, it just felt like it happened way too early- probably because it's only a half-cour series-, before I can even connect with the characters involved. It kinda felt like fillers even when they are main characters as well, but very interesting fillers at that. But at least it helped Nukumizu to build up some Male MC presence and personality, and now I'm just so looking forward to how his shenanigans with Yanami would go. I wonder, will the last ED theme be a Komari one? Maybe they'd use the Yanami one again for the finale. |
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boldulysses said: Mitsuki's indecisiveness is the whole issue; Lemon's done everything she can, but can't force the issue unless/until he chooses differently. If I were her, I'd be heartbroken but could at least console myself that I'd done everything I could, and the ball was in his court, STS. I don't think the anime implied that they would never get together in the future, but like you alluded to, the narrative has to turn the page. It's not wrapped up per se; it just stopped in a sensible place. Hmm; you're right, of course. I think I understand now what I don't like: That the show has foregrounded what Lemon would do in response, as if the onus were on her to be at peace with the situation. In this sense what HOOfan_1 said makes sense: HOOfan_1 said: Funny you say that, because as she was crying next to him, I was waiting and waiting for him to say something exactly like that, but he remained completely silent, and I actually liked that, because in the majority of romcoms, he would have said something that sounded much smarter than he actually has shown himself to be. I think I said something similar about episodes 5 and 6, that the runarounds Chihaya and Nukumizu were doing were immature, but that that's what you'd expect from high school students. But thinking about it I'm not entirely sure how much the show believes that, since now we are to believe Lemon is "mature" for giving up. Maybe; and yes, we wouldn't necessarily expect Nukumizu to realize Lemon doesn't have to give up on Ayano, but what we have is the show basically telling us that it would be immature not to. We can of course interpret it (and what it says about maturity) as we like—and I like that the anime tends to be ambiguous about what its characters do. But I think it's been too hard on Lemon this time. |
| I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
auroraloose said: I think I understand now what I don't like: That the show has foregrounded what Lemon would do in response, as if the onus were on her to be at peace with the situation. That's the whole premise of the anime, though: To foreground the experiences of losing heroines and explore how they process rejection. Lemon has one possible response, but I think it's a stretch to infer the show is saying her path is prescriptive for every losing heroine. But thinking about it I'm not entirely sure how much the show believes that, since now we are to believe Lemon is "mature" for giving up. Maybe; and yes, we wouldn't necessarily expect Nukumizu to realize Lemon doesn't have to give up on Ayano, but what we have is the show basically telling us that it would be immature not to. Inasmuch as a mature member of Japanese society takes others' feelings and social conventions into account, yes. That's the crux of the issue as I see it; it's not so much locating the characters on a 1-dimensional spectrum from "more mature" to "less mature," but just that Lemon decided to assert her desire to be with Mitsuki to the degree that it was socially acceptable (and probably a little beyond; most losing heroines just keep it to themselves indefinitely), but refrained from actually "stealing" him by being more proactive in breaking him and Chihaya up. That that decision comes across as more mature is incidental. I think we're splitting hairs, though... Haha. |
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marklebid said: I don't know what Lemon and Chihaya talked about -- maybe they legitimately understand they both like the same guy and Chihaya acted first. Or maybe part of Lemon is afraid of the intelligent stalker girl who plants GPSes on everyone... Am I the only one who got White Album 2 vibes from the Lemon-Chihaya-Mitsuki triangle? |
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| Episode 8 It's now fall and the school festival is just around the corner. And once again, there's plenty of insanity from the lady in the closet that Chika encounters to Kaju taking Kazuhiko's phone and sending a message to Anna as him. So they continue to prepare for the festival, but they run into another problem in that Amanatsu-sensei is already the advisor for the ping pong club and the club needs one, so they get another teacher in Konuki-sensei. And then the application is submitted, but it requires a sig from Chika, and then Kazuhiko submits it to Tiara, and the student council president makes a dramatic entrance. So it's onto the school festival as there's quite a lot of drama already going into making the edible literature theme a reality. |
| ^I figured there was a reason why "Tiara" seemed embarrassed about her name, and thought it might be that. I think the explanation confirms it, haha. Creepy student council boob girl is a joke I still don't get, even after she's made 3-4 appearances. Anna's gluttony is a joke that's quickly wearing out its welcome also. Nukumizu has said some borderline insensitive things regarding her appetite and its possible effects; I wonder if cultural perceptions of comments like that are different? Interesting how vehemently Nukumizu denied to Komari that he and Anna were dating. Kaju definitely seems to be on Team Anna, although that might be just because Anna is the heroine whose friendship with Nukumizu she's had the most exposure to. I feel like Nukumizu, not Komari, is going to end up being Lit Club prez. He seems to be the one taking the lion's share of the responsibility for festival preparations. * * * * * * It's interesting watching this anime where a male protag assists various heroines in solving their issues—a setup in the mold of shows like Oregairu, AoButa or Monogatari—without him having an obvious female counterpart/match among them. I've been nominally on Team Anna this whole time, but mainly because she's a more obvious physical analog to Nukumizu, compared to Lemon or Komari. But I don't think she's on the same wavelength as him in multiple areas. He's a basically good & thoughtful guy, but she'd probably get bored very quickly if they dated. The upshot is for a show that prominently features romance, for all its quality, it feels slightly off to watch because of the absence of the typical romantic center of gravity of the main pairing. Not having that convenient basket to place my emotional eggs in has taken a little conscious effort to overcome in watching the show. |
| Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
boldulysses said: Not having that convenient basket to place my emotional eggs in At some point in the future I am going to steal that. TIA |
| The animators continue to toss in fun little embellishments. When Komari was stretching and her books fell it was such a character moment that most other anime would leave out. I was wondering where the series was going to go now that all the mains have "lost". Seems we're going to veer into typical high school fare. Hopefully if it plans to dip into the usual tropes it handles them with the same deftness it has with the romance tropes. I was also starting to wonder whether the teacher and nurse would return. Would have felt odd to spotlight characters with such quirky traits then have them never show up again. (Is it just me or does the teacher come off as perpetually tipsy?) boldulysses said: Creepy student council boob girl is a joke I still don't get, even after she's made 3-4 appearances. I haven't figured her out either unless someone told the series creator they needed to add a "sexy" character for the requisite fan service. |
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MenchiK1 said: "creepy student council boob girl" (she has a name Yumeka Shikiya) is comic relief, you don't like lazy gyarus? Leaving aside the fact that I'm not a huge gyaru fan in general, she doesn't really seem to have any relationship to any of the plotlines (yet). It may intersect in the next few episodes, but for now her appearances just feel totally random and weird. Domvina said: The animators continue to toss in fun little embellishments. When Komari was stretching and her books fell it was such a character moment that most other anime would leave out. I noticed that too. I also like the way Komari flops down onto her side on couches when she's on her phone, leaning against something, and that something is removed. Has happened 2-3 times now. |
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| She's a gyaru, who apparently likes to cosplay, wears outfits that show off her body, and seems oblivious to her effect on males. Does that not remind people of anyone? Something tells me we're going to find out she's really into some ecchi manga/anime title. Which is probably why she has the connection to the literature club. They just switched up her personality from energetic into a lethargic kuudere. Isn't Nu-kun older than Komari? He does seem more suited to being the next club president. I don't think we're done with Komari's story arc. It seems to have just started. |
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| Episode 8 I said before that the show is hyper, but it's also true that life is much more disorganized than the average anime. Maybe it's better to say that Makeine is trying to be similarly random and incoherent. Not that it's incoherent as a story; rather, the story seems to move on via many random little things going on. I'm not sure I liked that this episode had Anna being stupider than usual. But I guess that's true to life as well. Komari is good though. boldulysses said: That's the whole premise of the anime, though: To foreground the experiences of losing heroines and explore how they process rejection. Lemon has one possible response, but I think it's a stretch to infer the show is saying her path is prescriptive for every losing heroine. I've been meaning to get back to this; that's fair, of course. And you're also right that what's socially acceptable for Lemon to do is a factor. I just don't like it when shows leave moral holes unplugged, especially when the point is analyzing social behavior. |
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zkeleton said: Isn't Nu-kun older than Komari? I think both are the same year zkeleton said: She's a gyaru, who apparently likes to cosplay, wears outfits that show off her body, and seems oblivious to her effect on males. Does that not remind people of anyone? I am guessing you mean Marin from My Dress Up Darling, but I think she's supposed to be like some horror movie trope or something. The nurse thing is like the nurses in Silent Hill. As MenchiK1 already mentioned, they are all oddballs. The scary gayru, the girl self-conscious about her weird name who is also enamored with the president, and the president who is a beauty, but could also be mistaken for an ikemen, who also seems to have no boundaries on very suggestive contact with strangers...kind of like an otome game target |
HOOfan_1 said: Most anime characters are oddballs. Marin is an oddball. The male MC is generally the most normal one in high school rom-coms--the everyman the audience is supposed to relate to--though not always of course. My point is that her character isn't totally out of the blue. She has an equivalent, like pretty much all of these characters do.As MenchiK1 already mentioned, they are all oddballs. |
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| Another fun episode! Although, I'd say it's the weakest so far, with the banters being mostly intentionally setup like about Yanami's gluttony, Nukumizu likely not treating her the same as he did Komari, the ecchi cleavage girl, and the Student Council girl kind of setting up her own shtick. But a fun one none the less. Also appreciate that they didn't go hard in tackling Komari's emotional distress about her seniors leaving since I still don't feel the Anime had enough time to establish all the characters relationships solid enough. The way things are looking, with new characters only having been introduced, I can already see multiple seasons of this series coming, and I'm all here for it! boldulysses said: I didn't even realize she already showed up 3-4 times. I only remember her from the Vending Machine scene where she acted quite creepy after Nukumizu hydrated her. I'd assume she'd just act as some kind of jealousy material in the future for when Yanami and Nukumizu reaches a developing relationship, with her being too touchy with Nukumizu. Either that or I'm just wishing our boy Nuk the best things in life. xDCreepy student council boob girl is a joke I still don't get, even after she's made 3-4 appearances. boldulysses said: Little did he know, he doesn't really have much of a choice. Lemon might appreciate him for doing his best to check on her during her hard times, and Komari for the indirect nudges he does to push her confidence, but Yanami is the only one who's trajectory has been altered the most after meeting Nuk: Being caught getting dumped even as a popular girl, doing creepy stuff after said dumping, going gorilla mode on him, etc.. Yanami is the cost of him being the Main Harem Protagonist... Equivalent Exchange.Interesting how vehemently Nukumizu denied to Komari that he and Anna were dating. Kaju definitely seems to be on Team Anna, although that might be just because Anna is the heroine whose friendship with Nukumizu she's had the most exposure to. boldulysses said: Highly agree. It'll just feel like a comedy duo with the fool and the straight man if they ever dated, unless Nuk's personality gains a bit more edge.she's a more obvious physical analog to Nukumizu, compared to Lemon or Komari. But I don't think she's on the same wavelength as him in multiple areas. Komari would probably be the most interesting partner for him at his current state. Dating Lemon would just result in a proper, mature, nice couple relationship, which would be great for them, but not great for TV ratings. xP MenchiK1 said: I'm adamantly looking forward to her future involvements in the story.yeah slutty nurse (Konuki sensei) is their advisor MenchiK1 said: Agree. I'm glad that the Kaju/Nuk scenes aren't coming off as weird/creepy sis-con thing so far. And I hope it stays that way. I like her being the manager to Nuk's dormant love life, or just socializing life in general.Kaju is too fun |
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marklebid said: 志喜屋 but Yumeko 夢子 is written with dream+girl Hmm, what if it was written like this instead 死喜屋 Death House Dream Girl instead of magic pixie dream girl |
| It's amusing to me how so many are talking about pairings and I'm here hoping they all just end up as friends in the end. (I guess I'm on team "Nobody"? XD ) |
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HOOfan_1 said: As MenchiK1 already mentioned, they are all oddballs. The scary gayru, the girl self-conscious about her weird name who is also enamored with the president, and the president who is a beauty, but could also be mistaken for an ikemen, who also seems to have no boundaries on very suggestive contact with strangers...kind of like an otome game target OK looking at the student council as a set of oddballs (along with the teacher & nurse who are also certifiable) makes it make more sense. She's just been their main point of contact so far. Jozuwa-_- said: Highly agree. It'll just feel like a comedy duo with the fool and the straight man if they ever dated, unless Nuk's personality gains a bit more edge. To his credit, he does push back on her, gives as good as he gets, and talks to her like a normal human being. Their friendship is believable, and they do have chemistry. I was going to say "he could be her voice of reason," but I don't think he's managed to persuade her not to do something she wanted to do, or vice versa. He's just been a sounding board, and nothing more—so far. |
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