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Dec 18, 2021 10:29 AM

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Fail_Man_X said:
By this logic, no story involving a war is ever complete, because there will always be future conflict.

Also, Lelouch becoming a benevolent leader was impossible. He comes to power through absolute mind control. It would be "unrealistic" for every other nation to not fight him (unless he mind controls everyone)

Actually, just not including that cheesy Kallen send off would have do
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adnan_ said:
Fail_Man_X said:
By this logic, no story involving a war is ever complete, because there will always be future conflict.

Also, Lelouch becoming a benevolent leader was impossible. He comes to power through absolute mind control. It would be "unrealistic" for every other nation to not fight him (unless he mind controls everyone)
No one knows about his Geass ability and if he really thought so much about the world that he would sacrifice his life, why didn't he went blind?

I already addressed why other leaders will work with him as he is not the only one who will decide but Zero()Suzaku} will also play a major I mean 50% part in decision making. So either Lulu also mind control Suzaku(which he won't) or Zero is protected from Geass, therefore, making Lulu or Brittania be trustworthy. Anyway, the other nation has a better chance with lulu who overthrows Charles for a better world. I can't see why they won't do it.

And yeah no war stories end with a note that humanity has stopped fighting bc one dude died.

The Black Knights know about it. Schneizel knows about it. Also, Charles' death is not what makes Lelouch emperor - it's Geass. Even if he agreed to break up the empire, the very nature of his powers make him untrustworthy. He COULD blind himself as a show of good faith, but then he is physically crippled on top of being powerless. It would be funny, though, if he went from taking care of his "blind" sister to becoming actually blind himself.

And after all that, what would actually change. You're just advocating for moving the process up one person. Rather than Nunnally being the kind ruler after the death of the tyrant Lelouch, you want Lelouch to be the kind ruler after the death of the tyrant Charles. It's hard to argue that him being around would make Nunnally safe, considering she gets kidnapped repeatedly during the show. Ultimately, all you really want is a happy ending where Lelouch is alive.


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Light Yagami from Death Note became overconfident of the chaos he caused which in turn brought upon his downfall. Lelouch was guilt ridden for all the chaos he caused, even if he was alive, it would've eaten at him as time went by making him duller no matter how intelligent he was. His goals were never to bring equality or world peace, he only wanted revenge and what's best for his sister.
Dec 18, 2021 5:49 PM

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adnan_ said:
I disagree bc this anime is literally based in the real world with real-world politics and strategy to win with just CG being a supernatural aspect. I could've excused this if this was Gurren Lagann but it's not.

Yeah, the movie is non-canon but it shows a big possibility of what can happen in canon as well.


death note, your name, steins gate. all real world based, but highly unrealistic because of the same things u dont like about code geass


AHAHAHA Code Geass is not based in the real world like DN and S;G ya bozo. Britain is not a holy empire HAH, nor do they own all of Europe and NA. You barely have knowledge of your own favourite anime and self declared number 1. I mean I didn't expect any different from your arguments.
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I don't think the goal was to bring peace for an eternity. It was just to bring a temporary state of peace and help the nations talk things out at the table. It's an idealistic ending for sure, but it makes sense. You're right that Lelouch's sacrifice wasn't technically needed, but for the sake of the story it was just better that way (otherwise we'd have a super anticlimactic ending).

I do think that the ending's reputation is a little exaggerated. While it is a great ending imo, people act like it's the single greatest ending to any piece of fiction ever made, which simply put is not a good way to sell something to people.
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LockHowl said:
NickCipolla said:


death note, your name, steins gate. all real world based, but highly unrealistic because of the same things u dont like about code geass


AHAHAHA Code Geass is not based in the real world like DN and S;G ya bozo. Britain is not a holy empire HAH, nor do they own all of Europe and NA. You barely have knowledge of your own favourite anime and self declared number 1. I mean I didn't expect any different from your arguments.


Guys i guess vinland saga isnt based on real world since it takes place in the past and not the present. i forgot britian never owned part of north america.. oh wait they did lol
Dec 18, 2021 10:40 PM

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The way you are thinking is even more idealistic than the way lelouch was thinking. You think that just because he became the leader of the British empire that he could now solve all the problems that plagues him and his friends which makes no sense. First of all what does him being around have to do with nunally being kidnapped? You’ve chosen an example of something which was completely out of his control whether he killed himself or not as evidence. Even if he was alive she still would’ve gotten kidnapped and he would’ve had to save her since her kidnapping has absolutely nothing to do with what was happening in Britannia. Where the hell are you getting 70 years from? How does him being alive equate to 70 years of peace? Yeah so after lelouch killed countless people and basically brought the world to its knees you wanted him to basically say “Sike I’m actually a good guy and I’m going to start doing good things now” and magically the whole world is going to believe him and accept his words whether they were genuine or not and then boom world peace. Give resources to the nations his country destroyed? Do you realise how dumb that sounds. And even more so why would they accept an olive branch from what appears to be a murderous maniacal tyrant who has killed countless people and is leading the country who ruined their lives. That’s even dumber. 70 years of peace my ass. The only thing that would’ve happened if he stayed alive is every single country and person in the world including everyone who knew and loved would’ve hated him and been trying to kill him. What kind of peace is that. Again he didn’t give a crap about world peace. Since the start of the show he had two goals. Avenging his mother and to create a world that nuna could look out upon and smile. How much do you think his sister would’ve enjoyed watching her brother being most hated, most evil person in the planet who everyone wanted dead. You haven’t understand anything because you’re not trying to understand. You have it in your mind that him being alive would’ve solved all his problems when it would’ve created even more. So let’s recap what happened right before he was killed. He betrayed all his friends and family. Killed a number of their acquaintances and imprisoned them after causing a massive world war. All while he mocked them and laughed at their helplessness lording his victory over them. How the hell are any of them meant to not only trust him but follow him no matter what he says. Especially when they also know he can hypnotise them with his geass. Yeah they’re just gonna believe what he says now and everything will be happy and dandy. Hell no. The only way to show that he was genuinely fighting for their sake and not his own was to give up his own life for their sake.
Here u go u didn't even read my reply completely did u? I said he could've joined arms with Suzaku. No one is asking him to be alone lol. Bc he was the whole reason why nunally was saved in the movie inother wrds only Lulu is capable of saving Nunally bc of his intelligence. And Nunnally's protection would directly be under his control as well he is the emperor now and he was even able to protect Nunally when he was a terrorist(Zero). What makes u think he won't? The point of the matter is that lulu can save her but Suzaku cannot. 70 years is the time left for him as a normal human being. Him being alive for 70 years does not equate to peace of world but definitely equate to the protection of friends. Dude here you go giving another example of u not understanding my point. I am talking about him before he became a tyrant or whatever he did in the last episode. When he ascended the throne, the immediate thing he should have done was to liberate other nations lol with Suzaku responsible for 50 percent of the agreement which will make Lulu even more powerless to do anything he himself desire. Yeah man, it's like saying why would people aid or take help or go to Germany for jobs when Hitler did so many atrocities. See how dumb u sound. Just bc a previous ruler was a Tyrant does not mean the current ruler will be the same. People hold grudge against Charles and his rule, not to each and every Brittania's. Its like saying everyone wants the head of the leader who ran Germany after Hitler. U see just how fcking dumb u sound? Lulu was never going to be the tyrant or the sole ruler of Brittania. Only people who r not able to acknowledge that Brittania has left the dictator rule and wants to reform it will be against it but again those people would have no proof as Lulu already reformed a good amount of Brittania and liberated the oppressed nation. Zero requiem had nothing to do with his mom as he already avenged her before starting his plan. He couldn't protect Nuna even with his 0 requiems and is evident by the movie lol. SO he failed right? Dude, how many times do I have to tell u that lulu does not need to be the most hated and most evil person for the narrative I proposed? And you have the guts to tell me I didn't understand anything. Ironic.

>He betrayed all his friends and family. Killed a number of their acquaintances and imprisoned them after causing a massive world war. All while he mocked them and laughed at their helplessness lording his victory over them

Yeah he never does this in the narrative I proposed. U are mixing his requiem with my narrative when my narrative has nothing to do with his requiem. Lulu is not the sole leader and he won't cast geass on Suzaku. So lulu is not all powerful instead he only controls 50% of decisions with Suzaku controlling the rest. And he can give up his eyes if he really wants them to see that he cares for them. Now he can't cast geass too. There's your problem solved.


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Dec 19, 2021 2:00 AM
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make relations with countries that are on his brothers' side or his?.... LMAOO bro ur dumb. there aren't any countries felt when they are fighting each other because they are under the control of him or his brother. If he freed people under Britannia's control during the war he would've lost. I don't think you paid attention at all. 😂😂 He had no choice but to fake his plan and wear a mask of a demon.
Dec 19, 2021 3:44 AM

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Fail_Man_X said:
adnan_ said:
No one knows about his Geass ability and if he really thought so much about the world that he would sacrifice his life, why didn't he went blind?

I already addressed why other leaders will work with him as he is not the only one who will decide but Zero()Suzaku} will also play a major I mean 50% part in decision making. So either Lulu also mind control Suzaku(which he won't) or Zero is protected from Geass, therefore, making Lulu or Brittania be trustworthy. Anyway, the other nation has a better chance with lulu who overthrows Charles for a better world. I can't see why they won't do it.

And yeah no war stories end with a note that humanity has stopped fighting bc one dude died.

The Black Knights know about it. Schneizel knows about it. Also, Charles' death is not what makes Lelouch emperor - it's Geass. Even if he agreed to break up the empire, the very nature of his powers make him untrustworthy. He COULD blind himself as a show of good faith, but then he is physically crippled on top of being powerless. It would be funny, though, if he went from taking care of his "blind" sister to becoming actually blind himself.

And after all that, what would actually change. You're just advocating for moving the process up one person. Rather than Nunnally being the kind ruler after the death of the tyrant Lelouch, you want Lelouch to be the kind ruler after the death of the tyrant Charles. It's hard to argue that him being around would make Nunnally safe, considering she gets kidnapped repeatedly during the show. Ultimately, all you really want is a happy ending where Lelouch is alive.


Nah him being blind won't make him a crippled man as it's his intelligence that made him this successful and on the other hand he would also have Suzaku to aid him. He won't be alone. Lelouch's power came from his intelligence ofc. Geass plays a really important factor but without being intelligent Geass is nothing to be feared. Nuna and Lulu are different matter altogether bc Lulu is a mastermind whereas Nuna is not also Nuna got kidnapped when Lulu was busy with his responsibility as Zero and can't be beside her or put her under strict protection bc he is not an emperor like he was at the climax of the show. And no I don't think an ending where Lulu is blind and lives a regretful live where he regrets the people he killed is considered to be happy. I also don't want him to unite with Nuna too ofc. as a punishment.

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make relations with countries that are on his brothers' side or his?.... LMAOO bro ur dumb. there aren't any countries felt when they are fighting each other because they are under the control of him or his brother. If he freed people under Britannia's control during the war he would've lost. I don't think you paid attention at all. 😂😂 He had no choice but to fake his plan and wear a mask of a demon.
Bruh...The countries are UNDER lelouch in other words Brittania hence he can free them, ask them to come to an agreement, and make relations with them and give them resources for development. Why would he have lost the war? He already had the army he needed to destroy his brother. Liberating the country or not does not matter lol. Yeah, keep telling that to yourself to be able to sleep at night, Alt Account.
CamelBowDec 19, 2021 3:49 AM

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You're going to be all right. You just stumbled over a stone in the road.
It means nothing. Your goal lies far beyond this. Doesn't it?
I'm sure you'll overcome this.
You'll walk again... soon.

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Dec 19, 2021 7:04 AM
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Lelouch believed that the only way to bring about change was to destroy everything and creat it anew. It would’ve taken a long time to get the Brittanians + the rest of the world to unite peacefully. By becoming the enemy of the entire world, all the nations were forced to unite to defeat him… and now that they were introduced to the practice of working together + discussing instead of war… we can assume it’ll maintain peace
Dec 19, 2021 7:24 AM
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he literally has no say in who he can free during the war since they are all against him, and are under his brother's control. Do you not understand that making a peace treaty or freeing them while fighting that same country makes ZERO sense. Lelouch has Britannia's army, not the entire world's army.

"Alt account" lmaoooo cry bud mfs mad
Dec 19, 2021 8:16 AM

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babibeams said:
he literally has no say in who he can free during the war since they are all against him, and are under his brother's control. Do you not understand that making a peace treaty or freeing them while fighting that same country makes ZERO sense. Lelouch has Britannia's army, not the entire world's army.

"Alt account" lmaoooo cry bud mfs mad
Dude the whole world's territory is under his control. Other countries are with his brother only bc they want their nation back. The military of those nations are with UFN and agree with his brother bc Lulu became a fking Tyrant. UFN was an international org. working in a democratic way like UNO where the majority wins. If the world leader really wished for the betterment of their nation then Lulu could've literally announced the liberation of their territory and helped them to develop themselves as a nation. The other nations agreed to fight Lulu in the first place bc his brother was right about Lulu being a Tyrant in front of leaders of other nations. if Lulu instead of making his 1st image as a Tyrant actually announced the liberation of other nations while being half responsible along with Suzaku will give other nations to vote in favor of Lulu and not against him bc they literally don't have anything to back up as for why lulu is the "evil".

Anyway, I am not gonna argue anymore with some who can't discuss their series without being insecure and insulting others. Cry more Alt Account.
CamelBowDec 19, 2021 9:49 PM

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You're going to be all right. You just stumbled over a stone in the road.
It means nothing. Your goal lies far beyond this. Doesn't it?
I'm sure you'll overcome this.
You'll walk again... soon.

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ok thanks for making this thread.
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MeVike said:
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No it does not. Death of Hitler only solved WW2 not the conflict and War in the world and this happened in CG. Heck, our world was at the risk of being embroiled in a Nuclear War and many complications happened after WW2 too whereas the Code Geass ending implies that the world has become happy go lucky and everything is completely normal.
The ending implies nothing. It just shows Japan and Brittania making peace. And as for the real world. Tell me, when did world war 3 happen? You’re probably just talking about the Cold War, which wasn’t even a war, but a diplomatic dispute between 2 countries which was eventually solved. Even if they had nuked each other, how many years since the death of Hitler would have passed? Whereas in Code geass we only see the aftermath right after Lelouch’s death (probably around half a year later) So you think everything went all good after decades? No we don’t know that. So yea. Everything was peaceful for years after ww2 as well.

As for lelouch, your problem seems to be with his death, thinking why did he die when he could do the same while being alive. So tell me, would people forgive Hitler for what he had done, if he somehow was like “Ok I don’t want war anymore, let’s truce” Assuming he could still go on living and ruling the country, no one would forget all he’d done in the past. The same is with Lelouch. He’s don’t terrible things, he doesn’t think he has the right to live anymore. From a foreign country’s prespective. They’re enemies with Britania and considering Lelouch is its ruler, they’ll always recognize him as evil, because he was the emperor of this cruel empire. From their perspective, him being assassinated, is way more credible than him having a change of heart. Would you choose to do trade with Angela Merkel or Adolf Hitler? There was no place in the world for Lelouch anymore, at least that’s what he thought.

His sister taking over and joining “zero” whom the whole world recognized as a hero, everyone knew that peaceful times were coming.
wow nice explanation dude.
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Zero was an entity created to go against Britannia’s blatant abuse of the military, unjust authority, excessive racism, and general disregard for international countries. Basic citizens of Britannia were usually oblivious to these things

Prior to the ending, lelouch defeated Charles who was a primary reason for this said corruption, and became the mascot for the Britannian government. He used his geass, and “Allies” to manipulate scenarios and information to his benefit, and this led to him gaining access to those nuclear weapons (can’t remember what they were called) in the finale.

And with this in his possession, he was practically unstoppable, and did his best to instill fear globally. He wanted to demonstrate the worst case scenario of a king who had all the qualities I mentioned earlier, so that he could be killed by the opposing image, zero.

And since the entire world was already against Britannia policies, all it took was lelouch to impose fear on britannian citizens so that they could see the errors, and hypocrisy of their government.
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adnan_ said:
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When the entire hate of the world is focused on one person, and the person dies, people stop and contemplate upon their actions, which leads to temporary peace. The user above me said “in the same way Hitler’s death brought world peace” and I completely agree with it
But the ending makes it out like the world is in complete peace and there's no conflict at all. Lulu thinking that his sacrifice would protect his sister is extremely naive Especially when we take the sequel film that takes place in an alt-universe. BTW Lul does not need to die for world peace.
no the ending didn't say there is complete peace
In the letter read at the end
She said that of course everything isn't perfect and everyone is trying to rebuild the system in a bid not to allow such power to get into a single system or hand
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From my understanding of the ending
Lelouch wanted the the hatred of the world on him to break the current cycle and unite the world for however long is possible by focusing there anger, loss and hatred on one man and dramocles
So that people will hate him so mush they will forget about euphumia's massacre (not literally of course) even the ending when both lulu and euphi died zero's name is chanted while there loved one suzaku and nanully cried
And lelouch and suzaku wanted to atone for there sins through the plan
In fulfilling this plan, Suzaku and Lelouch would be establishing peace and simultaneously imposing the greatest punishments on themselves: death for Lelouch who wishes for a tomorrow with his sister, life for Suzaku who wishes to atone for his sins through death.
And it an idealistic open ending literally how fmab, steins gate (elite) ending
The world did became a better place (according to kalan) thou wars will not end it reduced it significantly since majority of the counteris are under black knights leadership
Two people who wanted to die and came to enlightment that people yearn for future (the future could be both bad and good like for some one a death of another will lead to him having a better future etc) do you think they will create a 10 to 20 year plan to bring and maintain the peace of the world

And do you think people who guilty riden would take take it upon themselves to guide the world towards a better future or will they try to become a stepping stone for a better future

He wanted to create a better world nanully and trusted its management to his allies (his plan fully shows his development as a character) what happens after that is not something he has any control over or wants to have any control over
The future the people is there's to decide and the new world that he setup is there to shape how they see fit and leaders of the new world are all (atleast majority of them are people who knew about his plan)
and according to the director the ending is left in the interpitation of the viewer
so if you think its a bad ending then it is for you
i didnt like one aspect of the ending which the movie fixed, lelouch didnt fulfill is new contract with C.C
there you have it
A perfect answer explain why the end is the greatest ever
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Code Geass could have really gone British Colonial Empire way of giving independence to different nations. That would have been more realistic. In future maybe he is killed by someone but Nunally doesn't give in to revenge, hence ending the cycle. It would have been more fitting.

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Feb 15, 2022 6:56 PM

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superman was somehow able to unite an entire city bro, entertainment isnt supposed to make sense.

stop trying to be so critical of anime u cant enjoy it. youre clearly more worried about what rating you will give an anime watching it, instead of just enjoying it
Feb 24, 2022 8:09 AM
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Code geass has the best ending ever. If anyone dont understand the meaning of lelouch death, it's doesnt mean that this is bad ending
Feb 24, 2022 8:11 AM

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Pretty based, and this come from an aot fam
Feb 24, 2022 9:22 PM
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i agree with you
S1 was good
it had a plot holes but it had a lot of high moments too
S2 in the start was playing it very safe
Not too many high moments or plot holes since nothing much happened
at the end when something was about to happen
it just came out as very underwhelming
Thus I don't like how the ending was executed

Completely a subjective opinion
no hate Intended
Feb 24, 2022 9:45 PM

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> "especially for a show which is presumably grounded in reality"
That's the thing, it isn't grounded in reality. What makes this show entertaining is because how over the top and campy it is. It isn't the smart, political, and "genius mc" story most people praise it for. Rather, the exaggeration of all these elements is what makes it worthwhile (or at least parts of it). Yes, the ending is not realistic and the death of one person isn't gonna stop shit, but it makes sense for this show.
May 31, 11:05 PM
I 100% agree. The ending is very inconsistent to the series and its just bs. Obviously nostalgia and popularity played a big factor of why the ending is considered "the best". R1 ending is much better than R2 ending. If Lelouch and Suzaku wanted to atone for their sins, they were much better ways.
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Damn this whole thread making arbitrary claims without any piece of evidence not surprising from Code Geass critics
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