| @Rokrish Even if Furuya is switched out after the bottom of the 6th or even if he continues to pitch a complete game without losing more than 3 runs (which I seriously doubt he will since what kind of crazy coach would want to overexert a kid that had just came back from a shoulder injury a week earlier), it would still be already over for Furuya. These stats would still be pretty solid for a high school pitcher but the context of it is when that is compared to Sawamura’s stats of averaging 1 run per 9 innings game, it is pretty clear the damage has been done for Furuya to lose more than 1 run this match, a march he likely can’t pitch a complete game which makes the number even less impressive. Also the fact that Furuya’s game and crisis was cut short likely indicate that his performance was planned to be insignificant to this Ace race already like the scenario I laid out earlier. |
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| the hype of inajitsu, how many times already? but finally, they switch to seido's match next chapter, and seido's in a pinch? 2 run difference..~ |
| i don't care if Seido win or lose this match The important match is the next one with Sawamura pitching and probably Okumura and Yui catching. |
| @Rokrish Yeah I didn’t want to rebute your points but rather I want to drive home/stress the importance of the context of what is “good” stats here that we have to compare to. To less familiar fans, 3 runs/ 9 innings can be considered good and it is especially for a high school pitcher but what’s more important is the context that this stat should be compare to Sawamura’s who’s been averaging 1 run / 9 innings and has never lost more than 1 run in all his start, coupled with thr fact that Sawamura has pitched more innings should pretty much seal the deal now especially when we see that Furuya’s match is fast forwarded and is cut back and forth with the Tokyo vs US game |
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RoKrish said: Right, I think we are saying the same thing, that what furuya did was good, but not good enough to claim the ace number for seidou, and that really puts into perspective how ridiculous Sawamura has been this year with his 0.72 ERA. To be honest even furuya is aware of how ridiculous he would have had to be in this game to get that number back, and I was not trying to refute any of your points in anyway, this is just like saying hitting par in golf while everyone else hit a birdie, good, but not good enough. Exactly. Furuya had 1 chance before this Ace race is over and it is this match where the odds are fair and equal with Miyuki out of the equation, one pitcher could prove his experience by working with a reserve catcher and win the game, stamping his authority that his perfromance would be relatively independent from Miyuki’s game calling. Furuya’s target for this match would have been keeping his run lost down to 1 and hopefully make an appeal for the crazy idea of pitching a complete game. The moment he loses more than 1 run, it’s done deal which may not be his final stat at the end of the day. Unless Terajima makes Sawamura horribly screws up the next game (which would be crazy and suicidal for Terajima) we would be allowed to feel pretty confident about the jersey number. |
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GDV said: There is a third possibility (but it's unlikely to happen)RoKrish said: Right, I think we are saying the same thing, that what furuya did was good, but not good enough to claim the ace number for seidou, and that really puts into perspective how ridiculous Sawamura has been this year with his 0.72 ERA. To be honest even furuya is aware of how ridiculous he would have had to be in this game to get that number back, and I was not trying to refute any of your points in anyway, this is just like saying hitting par in golf while everyone else hit a birdie, good, but not good enough. Exactly. Furuya had 1 chance before this Ace race is over and it is this match where the odds are fair and equal with Miyuki out of the equation, one pitcher could prove his experience by working with a reserve catcher and win the game, stamping his authority that his perfromance would be relatively independent from Miyuki’s game calling. Furuya’s target for this match would have been keeping his run lost down to 1 and hopefully make an appeal for the crazy idea of pitching a complete game. The moment he loses more than 1 run, it’s done deal which may not be his final stat at the end of the day. Unless Terajima makes Sawamura horribly screws up the next game (which would be crazy and suicidal for Terajima) we would be allowed to feel pretty confident about the jersey number. Furuya and Sawamura could both do badly with the catchers of the first year and the only one who proves mature for this is Nori And so Kataoka decide to give the ace number to him But I don't think so, it's just a possibility |
| Yeah it's clear they juiced those balls @Tora_Tazz I don't think even with 1 more match, there will be any different in the outcome even if like you say Terajima needs to make Miyuki confirms it. |
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| Sawamura knows excatly the weight that this game carries for him, so I don't see him giving anything less than 110% effort into it, and he's going to kill it. Add this to the fact that he's going to have to take the lead in the battery and guide his catcher, and we all know how well he thrives under the pressure. Kariba mentioned it in a few chapters back that these two games will be the basis for the ace number determination, so the other two games will probably be irrelavant. Hope Terajima doesn't get any funny ideas to screw him over like he loves to do. I won't put too much stock in what Miyuki says. In fact his input makes me anxious as hell because he's always been used to prop up Furuya at the expense of Sawamura. The dude has always been so far up Furuya's ass that he's oblivious to Furuya's flaws and willfully ignores Sawamura's sheer brilliance. Oddly, what gives me hope is actually Kataoka and Ochiai. Ochiai, while favoring Furuya, is the most pragmatic and objective of all the coaching staff and sees things for they actually are. And Kataoka after the Ichidai game seems to have drastically changed and gotten his much needed wake-up call, and expects so much from Sawamura compared to Furuya. Then again, this is Terajima we're talking about, I won't put it past him to pull something out of his ass to leave Sawamura hanging like he did in the previous act. |
Paix672Mar 1, 2018 9:34 PM
| I think a lot of people really underestimate the kind of talent Sawamura has. Yeah, Sawamura's breaking fastball is slower than Furuya's fastball and a fastball with good command is often believed to be the most difficult pitch to hit in baseball. However, how many guys actually have a "good command" on their fastball if they're throwing heat? Does Furuya have decent command? The only pitchers in this manga that has both command and heat are Mei and Hongou out of what? over 30 pitchers? Most guys who think heat is better than breaking fastball probably has never even step into the batter box and swing at a pitch that changes direction right at the plate before. Swinging late to a fast pitch is one thing but swinging both late and still have to adjust to the pitch as you swing is ten time more difficult. Once you commit to the swing, you can't change your swing plane in the middle of it and physically it's impossible for your brain to command your body to react that fast to a pitch changing direction at 80-90 mph. Facing a guy who throws a lot of breaking fastballs like Sawamura does and pretty much all he throws are A grade pitches meaning the ball breaks so close to the plate you can't identify it until it's too late coupled with the fact that he knows how to command them to different locations, DNA batters are essentially having to deal with the most difficult to hit fastball in the series period. Furuya will float his fastball or he'll give you a meatball down the middle, when it comes to Sawamura's fastball, if he throws a straight, you better be prepared that it'll come in nasty places like out-low (perfect strike corner) or tight in-side. If you think you have a look a his fastball and turns out it's a breaking fastball, you're screwed the moment you decided to swing, most hits would be just lucky tap for a blooper for grounders. Most pitchers can't throw a decent breaking fastball much less have a variety of those with good control. We're looking at a pitcher with perhaps the most gifted hand in the series with Mei comes in at second. Ochiai's and Miyuki's labelling Sawamura's hand being untalented because he couldn't learn stuffs on his own is just BS designed to downplay Sawamura's true potential. Perhaps Terajima purposefully designed Ochiai and Miyuki's statement like this so it'll become ironical for them to see Sawamura's growth later on. |
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| I'm sorry if my question kinda sounds amateur, but I have to ask it since I'm quite confused. what is the purpose of practice match? Is it to help Furuya gain back whatever he lost after Koushien? Is it to show/ascertain Seidou strength now? Is it so that player is able to see what they lack and do some review bout it? or Is it mainly to win, and find any ways or strategy to win? and if somehow Furuya unable to hold his ground although batters are doing great (they were able to hit and score), who gonna win at the end? based on real-life situation, if kataoka still didn't substitute Furuya with Nori, does it means that he trusts Furuya more, or he wanna see how the batters' gonna do if a pitcher is not doing well? |
| "It's only us pitchers who can prove for all to see that your gamecalling' choices ain't wrong, yeah?" Sawamura to Okumura before their first official practice game as a battery. |
lisyaoran2009 said: I'm sorry if my question kinda sounds amateur, but I have to ask it since I'm quite confused. what is the purpose of practice match? Is it to help Furuya gain back whatever he lost after Koushien? Is it to show/ascertain Seidou strength now? Is it so that player is able to see what they lack and do some review bout it? or Is it mainly to win, and find any ways or strategy to win? and if somehow Furuya unable to hold his ground although batters are doing great (they were able to hit and score), who gonna win at the end? based on real-life situation, if kataoka still didn't substitute Furuya with Nori, does it means that he trusts Furuya more, or he wanna see how the batters' gonna do if a pitcher is not doing well? The purpose of a practice match is like it's name, to "practice". What can they practice or aim to practice you may ask? A lot of different things. - Practice batting for the batters - Practice fielding for the fielders - Practice pitching for the pitchers, etc. - Practice / implement certain strategies, pattern of play, pitching relays The reason why practice matches are so important is because it is as close as you can get to an official game. There are so much you can do with just daily training and practice where set patterns and activities are conducted, it is not interactive because there is really no opponents and different opponents provide different type of responses and in turn require various counter strategies. These are things that are exclusive to daily training. The practice match provide an oportunity for teams to play for real without worrying about losing so they can go all out to see how close can they get to the ideal way they want to play. The common things you hear from an ahtlete is that "I do so well in practice yet I have trouble doing that in real game". This is because they lack the experience of a real match and the nerve of the match prevent them from playing their "ideal/perfect game". So the more practice matches you can play, the more preparation you'll have before playing the real thing. However, there is indeed a pitfall associated with practice game. If you play too much practice match and you gets "overconfident" while being ignorant of the real challenge of a real-match, it's easy to succumb to pressure in the real thing because there's more thing on the line. On the other hamd, playing free from pressure too much may also reversely kills your tension completely and you'll have a difficult time "switching on" in real match because your mentality is too loose. In the context of Seidou and Daiya no Ace, these practice matches that Seidou is playing allows them to assess the current capabilities of the team, seeing what works and what not, seeing what kind of players are good enough to earn that 21 spots on the Summer roster. These matches are not just simply for the purpose of allowing Furuya to get back to form because to all they know, he may not or the opponent may even ends up crushing his confident destroying him altogether. By playing, furuya can both better or worsen his stats so that's on him and not the coaches' purpose for arranging these matches. It's just simply allowing all the players in the team a fair chance to play to fairly assess which additional team members can they add and for the pitchers, who should wear that No. 1 shirt. Regarding the current match with Yamamori, Seidou has been unable to score but they can still wins in the late ining. Baseball is a game in which late comeback can turns into a "sudden death" scenario for the leading team so that chance is there, granted Furuya doesn't lose more points for the remaining innings he pitches (which for now I'm assuming is going to be 6 innings since he's only just come back from injury). 2-3 runs are within the possible come-back range but it would become increasingly difficult the more runs they are behind especially considering it's a team that Seidou hasn't been able to score anything for 5 innings already so earning more than 3 runs would be a tall order. If Kataoka doesn't sub Furuya out after the bottom of the 6th to whover, he's mad. Yes, it would means he trusts Furuya enough to let him complete the game and give him the chance to recover his form but that would likely re-aggravate his injury or hamper his recovering progress. Furuya right now is not doing too bad all things considered but on the last page of Chap 114, we see that he's already running out of gas, evidently by his heavy breathing and the lost of 1 run. Furuya's first Earned Run was due to the passed ball so it was a technical error on his and Yui part and if they could keep that controlled, it would be fine but we know that Furuya would start to deteriorate pretty quickly like a pershiable good once he runs out of stamina so the lost run in the 5th means more in terms of a warning sign. |
GDVMar 2, 2018 5:28 AM
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Fgth33 said: But and I must be clear on that, every personn I have mentioned before don't reckonize him as the ace of the team, they just thought of him as being on the same level as Furuya. i don't think so Every starter, when Furuya perform well is in awe and Miyuki say this is a real ace BLA BLA BLA. I don't think the they think Sawamura being on the same level of Furuya. They acknowledge him as a good pitcher. Being the ace, is being the better pitcher for them |
cameltr said: @RoKrish, thus I think the new captain should be Eijun. He's the only one that can lead this team to a championship. Even Furuya stated that this team seeks for a pitcher that can lead and motivate. Hope Miyuki understands that as well. After seeing the Inajitsu line-up in the game versus Americans, he should give hell lots of credits to Eijun once more. Having told Furuya that him not satisfied with his performance even though he put up a great performance versus a very good team, should be a clear indication that this team needs to improve much more in order to get past Mei and Inajitsu. Eijun is without a doubt the most suited for captaincy out of his batchmates, but I don't see them adding that pressure on him as long as he is the ace. Inashiro's captain isn't even a first stringer, but on the field, Mei serves a dual duty of being both captain and ace. I'd picture Eijun to be this kind of ace too, if not even more ideal than Mei. If he's appointed as captain too on top of being the ace, then he'd push himself too hard and while I think Eijun can definitely handle it, it'll be just too much. And yeah, it's nice to see Miyuki getting a glimpse of what a winner's mentality is, and this definitely should make him appreciate Eijun more. Seidou were perfectly fine throwing a game against Ichidai until Eijun was subbed in, speaks volumes of the difference in mentality between the two teams. |
| I agree with RoKrish, one of those 3 for captain, however I’d like the other 2 to be co-captain, or at least Kanamaru just so that they have one vocal person in leadership, as Tojo and Haruchi are both soft spoken. All 3 were starts since their first year, and all get along well, same with Sawamura ne Furuya, so it doesn’t really matter who it is. Sawamura def has ace qualities but I don’t know if he has leadership qualities the same way a captain does. Sawamura for the most part sticks with pitching and observing the other pitchers and catchers, something an ace would do. I’d almost argue that Miyuki had taken the ace leadership role while futuya was just the number 1 pitcher, not really ace as in leading. But now Sawamura is transitioning to take the leadership role from Miyuki so he can focus on the fielders and strategy for the upcoming tournament. Kawakami also was more ace like leadership wise then Furuya, as he would always communicare with the pitchers during fielding practice and managing Sawamura and furuya when they need to stop practicing. I feel like the ace has a number of responsibilities that he can’t really be captain as well, a we saw from Miyuki who is catcher and captain, something similar to all of the requirements an ace captain would be, it’s hard to manage it all. And as the story likes to stress, pitchers are selfish and compete amongst each other, which leaves me to believe they want to continue the narrative that a captain ace may be a detriment to the team and not accept pitching changes and who decides to start in games, while a fielder captain, who would already be a starter, would never have that issue. |
GundensMar 4, 2018 12:26 AM
| @Tora_Tazz XD I haven't even joined this discussion and I'm already mentioned. With that said, this is a topic that we have discussed many times so I'll pretty much write things I've already said in the past since I'm kinda lazy going over everything again. The reason why I don't feel like seeing Sawamura become Ace - Captain is although it may not be too much for him but it will be enough to take him off his pitching duties sometimes and I don't want to see that happen. I don't ever want to see Furuya getting back that Ace title so I don't want any risk of him getting flustered and off his game so Furuya would be able to snatch back that thing. Plus story wise, you have to give the captain title to another character to promote development for them, not reserving everything for Sawamura. Yes, we really like him but it would get old quickly if he become a "Dekisugi" character like Miyuki who can "do it all" and these characters kill the story. Like Mei, like Miyuki, like Harada. Yes, it's interesting as long as it's in matches but character development wise, they're just stale compare to others (which is the major reason why the Tokyo Senbatsu game is so boring because there's nothing to prove for these already established elite players). Yeah, you can consider that Miyuki didn't do jack when he first started out and has only warmed up to this role in his 3rd year, going out his way to lecture Okumura on picking a fight with Sawamura, stuffs like that. With that said, Miyuki can "do it all" catching, batting, fielding, game calling, lecturing. When was the last time we see Sawamura gives a "lecture" or win the game for Seidou with this batting? If we want to go with the route that push the bar steadily higher for each captain generation of Seidou, like 4th batter - Captain for Tetsu then 4th batter - starting catcher - Captain for Miyuki, then Ace - Captain for Sawamura, we have pushed it too high for Sawamura to have a chance at it due to his batting. Also when you think about it. Yes, Sawamura is inspiring, he can carry the whole team at times but off the field, he's rather goofy and he has pissed off not few members of the team, old and fresmen included. We have to admit that Sawamura can get a bit extreme/over animated at times and that maybe unacceptable to the team. Mind you, Kanemaru, Okumura already said it out loud they hate that from Sawamura. Unfortunately, he probably can't lead the team with this. He'll grow and fit into that he if does but when there are other arguably "better" options available, I think it's more reasonable to choose another one. Just like how I feel about Seidou not choosing the best candidate to become the Ace considering the better option available to them, I also don't feel like Sawamura is the best captain candidate (in terms of overall package) compare to others. And mind you he absolutely doesn't need to be the Captain for the story to remain relevant and interesting. The reasons why I like Toujou is because he's an experienced "person". He's been through shit, his pitching career was in shamble after a horrendous high school debut. He worked himself back into the team, plays another position, establish himself as a batter and then got back into pitching. That kind of back story inspire players. He has already inspired Kuki, and is the guy that has never got on the wrong side of any player on the team. Plus he would be the first captain in Seidou to have good communication skills so he'll be able to lead and inspire the team with words and also with action because he's a good batter, good fielder and has pitching experience as well, that multiple positions background will allows him to help out younger players. Meanwhile if Haruichi becomes the Captain, he'll be able to set example with his plays and batting like Tetsu did because no 2nd year player is better than Haruichi at batting, fieliding, base running and game sense. You can't go wrong with them. If you argue they're too much of a side character then it's not convincing because they can get more screen time if needed be. Like Zono almost came out of nowhere to become 5th batter and Vice captain. Same thing can happen to the new captain candidate, screen time can easily be fixed but when we're assessing the inherent skills and qualities, they are the best Captain materials right now. As for Kanemaru, he needs more match appearance to improve his currently slim chance at captaincy. Just forget about Inajitu's current 2nd string captain argument because Inajitsu is a different team and looking at Seidou, we can see they have a different mindset and team culture than former does. Seidou historically favors the best players to become their captain and we have to expect that to remain consistent going forward. Kanemaru is unforunately hasn't been as importance to the team victory as the other candidates and despite being able to pep talk the freshmen, he hasn't done anything inspiring to them either. For me, his chance at captaincy is as little as Furuya's. |
GDVMar 4, 2018 11:42 PM
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TeamAce said: @GDV or @CG, could you give us a quick summary of what's been talked about? It seems that the words of Sawamura are having some impact on both teams, and I'm also curious with what Zono says Unfortunately, there're only 2 pages in Japanese and the rest from Baidu is in Chinese so I can't translate what Zono is saying to Furuya but as for the 2 pages in Japanese. Sawamura cheers Haruichi on after the former gets a RBI for Seidou. Sawamura: Oshi Oshi Oshi! First and foremost 1 point! This is our "Spring Number 1" (a play on Haruichi's name). Iron heart. Oni's mental (Oni is a Japanese's troll). Seidou's black Angel. Haruichi: I'll forgive you (let you off) for anything you say today. |
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| Runners 1st and 3rd zono up don’t know how many outs I’d say 0 or 1 since Haruchi went to a sac bunt |
| Chapter 115: Have to win (in kansai dialect) OP note: Seidou vs. Yamamori. After the 5th inning, they're behind 2 by runs. Without Miyuki and Ono, a gloomy air is hanging around on Seidou's consecutive practice game streak. Audience: with Ono leaving the game, that 1st year catcher was appointed. Although they dived head first into a battery error. After that, runners got loaded due to a walk. Then they lost the run to 1 RBI. With that, Furuya's rhythm was destroyed. Even the inning just now, he walked the first batter and then lost 1 run because of that. We can't blame the 1st year catcher. Summer is right in front of us...will Furuya be okay? To think Miyuki's absence would have such an effect on the team. Sawamura: Okumura, you go warmup and get in the dugout. Right now the only catcher relay we have is you and Yui after all. Okumura: ...understood. --Top of the 5th--Yui at bat Yui: for me to fail that badly, no wonder Furuya-san would get tensed. Kataoka: You did well to stop it. Don't get dishearted in the later half of the game. Yui: 2 earned run today was my responsibility. I'll get them back for sure, with my batting, with my play. Manager: This pitch count is up to 87. As the inning progresses his pitch count rises. Ochiai: 100 pitches ought to be the time to call the relay. It’s only his 2nd game since coming back, he shouldn’t be pushed more than this. --Mochi bats to left field and gets on 2nd base-- Sawamura: Alright a Double! Cheetah-sama appears on the base. When this guy makes it on base, the match begins to move. The score board will begins to move. Seidou's suicide attack captain Kuramochi Youichi. Mochi: Alright, let's get more excited for us. Sawamura: up next is this guy. Seidou's baby face devil, Kominato Haruichi Yamamori: Devil? Sawamura: You better watch out for that guy! Yamamori catcher: The devil takes a bunt stance... Coach: The score is 2 runs up. Seidou team will gets tough when the situation calls for it. Twins: Then let's get this 1 out. Though it's the guy at 3rd base we're referring to! He shifts to an aggressive bunt stance. Yamamori power changes! Seidou's dugout: Alright, right to the middle field. Mochi: Hahahah, as expect from Haruichi, he didn't get that one slipped. Haruichi: Although I got the order to target the outside fastball. I did well swinging my body fully for that easy incourse pitch. Sawamura: Oshi Oshi Oshi. First and foremost 1 run. This is our "Spring (Haru) No. 1" (a play on Haruichi's name) Iron heart. Oni's mental. Seidou's black angel. Haruichi: I'll let you off for anything you say today. Sawamura: Alright let's start the counter attack. You better prepare yourself Yamamori Gakuin. Dahahah! Oota: He's like usual. Manager: There is it, his voice. Oota: but thanks to this obnoxious voice that the team is really cheered up. Audiences: 2nd-hole bats a Double for an RBI eh. It seems Kominato at 2nd really ups the team's offense. Kuramochi's on base percentage has also gone up. Sawamura: From now on it's the scary clean up. Silent killer Shirasu Kenjirou. He indeed is a killer. When you notice, you're already hit. Zono: be at ease Furuya. This ain't over yet. Players: It's 3 hits in a row, no out, runner on 1st, 3rd. Sawamura: That too good of a hit. Nice bat Shirasu senpai Yamamori coach: I saw that Yuuto was good and was at ease with him today but as expected from Seidou, they just don't break down. Zono: Miyuki ain't here, Ono ain't here. Exactly because of that we have to win. We have to score and win. Sawamura: He's "THE Face". Look at that face that'll even make a crying child shut up. Chapter continues on 16th issue |
GDVMar 6, 2018 10:43 PM
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Gundens said: Runners 1st and 3rd zono up don’t know how many outs I’d say 0 or 1 since Haruchi went to a sac bunt Haruichi feinted a bunt and went for a hit down the mid-field. |
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GDV said: Gundens said: Runners 1st and 3rd zono up don’t know how many outs I’d say 0 or 1 since Haruchi went to a sac bunt Haruichi feinted a bunt and went for a hit down the mid-field. That’s what I meant the defense didn’t think it was strange that he was faking a sac bunt so I assumed it was 1 or 0 outs |
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