Arz3nL24 said: Coach ochiai noted at chapter 21 that yui is a good runner and has throwing arm that's why he was able to play fielder in some first string games. Obviously, he has to be good at something or more than a few things to become the captain of the Nation's Little League team regardless of the actual skill gap between Little League and High School baseball in Japan. |
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RoKrish said: Not really, what miyuki means (as it has been established that he is often full of bs when it comes to the technical side of baseball, he couldn't identify what Sawamura's "moving fastball" was, its actually not a fastball at all, its actually a changeup variant called a power chanegup) is that the fastball is always the core of a pitchers tool set. If he can control it, he's golden, his other stuff can survive as a result. What makes Sawamura's fastball special is that it can take three different courses through the air on his four seamer (only one other pitcher in baseball can do that, Kershaw), he can get it to "cut" run gloveside (thats where the name cutter come from, a pitch specifically designed to move in the opposite direction from a pitchers arm, in Sawamura's 4-seamer's case it just moves that way if he holds the ball with uneven pressure on his middle finger), sink (run armside and down which is what his 4-seam fastball naturally does), or "ride/rise" which is what you are talking about speeding up in the middle. It actually doesn't speed up in the middle (I mean that would violate the laws of physics it wouldn't be able to increase speed after it has been thrown) it instead, falls slower. Raichi, who has a very fast and accurate swing (by my reckoning he's the second or third best hitter in the series we have seen so far only Tetsu and Mima, ".800 OBP" are better) is still fooled by it. Nolan Ryan has talked in detail about the fact that a ball can't rise, as that would literally violate physics, but instead due to the intense velocity and backspin, he could get a fastball to stay up a bit longer. Thats what Sawamura is doing, he's not speeding up his fastball mid-flight, its just that to a batter, the ball looks faster than it actually is so he swings under it since he's thinking about the normal flight path of the ball. The pitch that Akamatsu Shinji (the first year pitcher at Inajitsu) throws is not actually all that weird, he's spinning his curveball tightly, so the ball drops sharply and viciously, its somewhat similar to Sandy Koufax's curve. However if you asked me who is the pitcher most like Koufax in DnA I would say Asada (if he gets velocity). Southpaw with a great curve, a tall lanky build (Koufax was a collegiate Basketball player). The big difference was that Koufax could throw really, really hard (like he was ticking a 100 on his heater when he was under the age of 24, he took a bit off of it and he got better as he could control the ball better). The pitcher like Kershaw is Sawamura, they both have kind of funky windups, devastating fastballs, the big difference is that Kershaw relies on a slider and Curveball combo, which is something that Sawamura should develop, especially the curve. As to Maddux being able to throw to a catcher blindfolded, I'm not all that surprised, he was a freakishly good control pitcher. Raichi isn't really a pitcher, so its kind of expected that he doesn't have the greatest control. What @GDV was saying was that players like Furuya throws really fast but can't put the ball where they want because they sacrifice accuracy for power. As for the rumor that Terajima didn't plan to continue drawing DnA after the Fall Tournament, its pretty true. He initially didn't want to continue drawing something after 10 years as he felt that the story was pretty complete, but I think the anime, and the love it got in Japan was enough to spur him into writing more, especially after what Sawamura's Voice Actor Ryota Osaka said about wanting more material. Plus the fact that actual baseball players in the Majors like Kenta Maeda (who is actually referenced back in act I when they show Sawamura his warm ups) liked it probably convinced him to continue writing and he picked it up in Act II after a break. This is just me projecting a bit, but I think on seeing the end of the anime and looking back on the work he had done up to when he finished, he felt a bit bad about not giving Sawamura the due credit he deserved, and wanted to make it clear that Sawamura was the Ace, and so he began to work on Act II. Honestly, I wouldn't have blamed him if he stopped after act I ended, being a Mangaka is incredibly hard, if you want reference to how hard it is, Bakuman is a great anime and Manga that shows the work life and lifestyle that many Mangaka have. Its kind of insane, especially in a weekly series like DnA where he needs to turn out 18 pages plus an occasional color page a week. Also Ohtani may not be as good as he is hyped to be. His breaking stuff isn't wipeout, and he will need time to adjust to MLB hitters, whom are a grade above (generally speaking) NPB hitters. He throws a slider/slurve and a splitter as offspeed and breaking pitches. the Splitter is good, but the Slider isn't quite good enough yet. It'll depend on his control at the MLB level to see how effective he will be. actually you talking about Raichi being a pitcher again reminded me of something a bit off-topic, so I'll spoiler tag it. Thank you for making this clear. I pretty much trust whatever Miyuki said about baseball since he seems trustable (?). Asada curveball seems good during practice, I was surprised when he didn't get to 2nd string. I did notice that Sawamura tried to learn Slider and Curve too, but he can't pitch it yet. I think he will, plus Sawamura is kinda guy who learn more breaking ball during a tournament. I haven't watch Bakuman yet, my friends suggest me to watch and read the manga as there are several things that are not the same as anime. Weekly manga is like you can never have a break, and 18 pages on top of that, terajima sensei is the best as the manga quality doesn't drop at all *cough*hunterxhunter*cough*. I hope he won't get sick like World Trigger mangaka, it has been like 2 years, I don't know how he is now. As for Sawamura seiyuu, I have read about he wanted to continue voicing for Sawamura, and the part where Sawamura slip at Koushien is based on him. I didn't know about Kenta Maeda though. Anyhow, thank God he decided to continue, I can't end my life before seeing Sawamura being acknowledged from everyone as he works so hard to do it, even Chris senpai told him that he can never be ace as long as there is furuya in this team. |
| "It's only us pitchers who can prove for all to see that your gamecalling' choices ain't wrong, yeah?" Sawamura to Okumura before their first official practice game as a battery. |
RoKrish said: I mean the real test of defensive skill for a catcher is defensive footwork and glovework, areas we either haven't seen or that he struggles in. I mean he is skilled enough to catch for a national LL team, but does that translate over well enough to High School? Yes, that's the point. Yui is unnecessary a skilled catcher, skilled here is on the level of Miyuki and Okumura, etc. but he is at least have to have a good deal of talent that's worthy for him to make the 1st string. Although counter argument for that, you can always say he may have just made the 1st string due to plot, similar to how Furuya freaking did despite hitting the coach on the face. And again, I want to stress that being the "captain" of the National LL team doesn't mean he has to be all that amazing in terms of catching department but he may also have other skills that they value like batting, leading, or communication, etc. Of course, in high school, that skill level may no longer be all that special especially when you compare it to other older players who have been exposed to higher level competition and training, on top of that, they're from a powerhouse organization so that gap is even further away. Regardless, the problem with Yui's character is because he's been introduced as "the genius Yui" who's "captain of the LL team", people immediately make the connection that he has to be a "genius catcher" when they found out he plays that position and then they're unreasonably disappointed when they found out he's not as good as Okumura. |
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| Okumura has a good batting ability and could probably be a decent fielder, but his special ability and talent is his a catching sense similar to Miyuki , where his peak and strength is at catching. Yui could be successful anywhere but his baseball iq and talent makes him a good catcher too, and has shown to be a competent catcher. However for the long term he has the ability to play wherever, and if Okumura shows his competent catching abilities with Sawamura, maybe Yui will see that he would be better off as a fielder in the long run. |
| I think Yuki and Yui will be left and right field. Kagami will be brought in as a 4th outfielder. And if Yui is to catch. Ono didn’t get himself injured, he’s a high school level player, mistakes are made, and it just happened that the foul ball correlated with his error. Also TJ needed the plot to go that way so I just say poor Ono. |
RoKrish said: Yeah I know I just sort of wanted to show the "proper" technique. But bad luck does happen. Also do you put Yui in Right or Left, Yuki seems to be a pretty bad fielder. It does but it’s also due to Ono rushing a bit because he was too bothered by the runner. I would put Yui in left because of left being the busier field if not 1st. He shoudl have quite a good arm as well since he’s a catcher so that should be a safer bet. |
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| I think it doesn’t matter as much Yuki has been shown to have a good arm too, and his fielding will improve. Since both him and Yui were also taking reps at 3rd they may become 3rd and first basemen after their second summer, or may just stick to outfield. |
RoKrish said: @GDV and @Gundens, Yeah, I guess I can see him going over to 1B, and maybe moving Takatsu to left and Yuki to right. Honestly though I think Yuki needs to become replacement level at outfield defense and actually displaying any sort of plate patience to become an everyday outfielder, which is why I liked Kagami as the RF, a natural heir to Shirasu. On another note Takatsu looked like he wasn't too comfortable at SS, so that position is already a locked in for either Haruichi or Seto, depending on which one has the stronger throwing arm. 1st Base is usually the busier position so unless Takatsu is better defensively than Kanemaru, he won't be good enough to take up that position and may be moved to out field. |
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| Yu darvish update |
| in my hopinion, Seto will be the next SS |
elsa16 said: Do you really think that Haruichi will be moved to shortstop because of the strength of his arm? Does that mean that mochi could have been 2nd if ryo had a stronger arm than him? No I don’t. It “could” happen but in any case switching an experienced player from his favorite position is not ideal, I’ve said this before. Though I wanted to throw in there that the SS and 2nd base position are positions that demand the most agility from the player so they are similar and usually, the one with the stronger arm would be better suited to play SS because the throw from SS to 1st base is very far, further from 2nd to 1st. And yes, you’re right, if Ryo had a stronger arm than Mochi, he could have played SS. |
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elsa16 said: ADellaLuna said: in my hopinion, Seto will be the next SS I think the same, right now he seems to fit perfectly as a substitute for kuramochi I doubt this “perfectly fit” description. You have to keep in mind that he has always played 2nd and although he has that mobility, defending at 2nd and throwing to 1st is less demanding than defending at SS which where most of the balls fly to. Right now, Seto does have the legs but there’s really nothing that proves he has the arm to take up SS |
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Fgth33 said: At the end of Act I: Kawakami: 3.25 Furuya: 3.26 Sawamura: 4.19 Fall practice matches: Furuya: 24 innings 0 run lost Sawamura: 6.30 or 10 innings 7 runs lost (this was during the yips) Kawakami: 3.27 Fall tournament: Furuya: 4.43 Sawamura: 1.82 Koshien: Furuya: 1.66 Act II (without the games played during act I) Furuya: 2.41 Kawakami: 2.29 Sawamura: 0.72 Since the begining of act II, Sawamura has only lost 4 RUNS in 50 innings. It's just really amazing. Act I and II combined: Sawamura:2.70 Kawakami: 2.84 Furuya: 2.97 The combined and Act 2 stats look about right but I’m not confident about that Act 1 stats. Gotta take a look at that later. So I went over and check a bit of stuffs as well as making the ERA for each of the Tournament and Period to make it a bit more manageable and this is how the stats looks afterwards. ACT I After Summer: Kawakami: 4.45 Furuya: 5.60 Sawamura: 6.75 Fall Tourney: Kawakami: 6.0 Furuya: 4.43 Sawamura: 1.82 At the end of Act I: Kawakami: 3.25 Furuya: 3.52 Sawamura: 4.06 ACT II Spring Tourney: Kawakami: 1.5 Furuya: 4.73 Sawamura: 0 Practice Matches: Kawakami: 2.14 Furuya: 1.59 Sawamura: 0.73 (previously 1.13 but he has since played more matches and innings) Act I to Act II: Kawakami: 2.84 Furuya: 3.14 Sawamura: 2.65 It's clear that Sawamura has the most turnaround since Act I since both Sawamura and Kawakami have always registered lower Earned Run than Furuya but they lacked the innings in the earlier stage of the story which was why Furuya's ERA looked more impressive before the Fall Tournament. It's also thanks to Furuya doing well in a couple of practice matches before the Fall Tournament. Since Act 2 started, Seidou have played with higher level teams in both Tournaments and practice matches so the ERA Sawamura and Kawakami gets since Act 2 is even more impressive than what Furuya got in Act 1. |
GDVFeb 10, 2018 11:52 PM
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elsa16 said: What I meant was he seems to be here to replace kuramochi(same asset, friend with a catcher). Like kagami with Shirasu. Sure they are issue like the fact that he played 2nd but I felt like it would be easier for him than Harucchi to change, and I doubt kataoka will ask Haruichi to train as SS for his last year Which are fair points and I do agree. He does fit the mold of Mochi nicely but switching to SS for a 2nd baseman is not as difficult as you think, it’s just a matter of do the player have the required skill set or not and usually, the players that play SS can pretty much play any other infield position because of his versatility. But yes, it’s more appropriate to demand a freshman to change his position than a senior. |
GDVFeb 11, 2018 6:51 AM
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| Mei isn’t afraid of throwing his Changeup to a lefty batter in the slightest, instead he even claims it’s “easier” for him in this matchup. Bad news for Miyuki and Seidou. |
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Euclide3 said: I do not see mei losing to seidou Oh but he will. His demise will not comes in the name of 4th batter Miyuki but instead, it would be a tiny package that packs the highest contact rate in this series, Haruichi. |
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Euclide3 said: I do not see mei losing to seidou Mai could even win, but Inashiro? maybe in a game with Seido they will use a relief pitcher first, like shinji so Seido just need to do some runs before Mei enter |
| Mei is pitching at a college level. Possibly minor leagues. You can’t ask for anything more except maybe one more breaking ball and more speed. |
| And to think that Hongou is even better |
| Yep scary. Hongo throws faster and his splitter is just as good as meis change up. |
RoKrish said: Jeez, Second year Sawamura really is the second coming of Pedro Martinez. How on earth do you give up less than 5 runs in the equivalent of 5 complete games? those aren't normal numbers. And yet, he is not the ACE.. so weird. Have anyone in Seidou realised about how Sawamura been pitching amazingly? Seems like no one notices this. btw, lesser point in ERA is better, right? (•ิ_•ิ)? @Fgth33 I read about commentaries for Furuya and Sawamura, and i think Sanada(ace for yakushi) comment about how he "wouldn't lose to a freaking 1st year" to Sawamura. I enjoyed this corner alot, thanks for this spreadsheet. |
| "It's only us pitchers who can prove for all to see that your gamecalling' choices ain't wrong, yeah?" Sawamura to Okumura before their first official practice game as a battery. |
lisyaoran2009 said: And yet, he is not the ACE.. so weird. Have anyone in Seidou realised about how Sawamura been pitching amazingly? Seems like no one notices this. btw, lesser point in ERA the better? Yes. It’s “Earned Run Average “ meaning it’s the average Earned run the pitcher loses per 9 innings game. In Sawamura’s case he has 0.7 so he would either lose 1 or 0 run each complete game he pitches. |
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| @GDV Thanks for the explanation, to only lose 1 or 0 points in 9 innings is badasss~!! @RoKrish Yup, he has less walk compared to Furuya. I hope someday Ochiai stand in batter box or become catcher (he is a former catcher, while Kataoka is a former pitcher, I think its somewhat balancing this team, hahaha) for Sawamura to see how good he is.. Ochiai hasn't done this yet. |
| "It's only us pitchers who can prove for all to see that your gamecalling' choices ain't wrong, yeah?" Sawamura to Okumura before their first official practice game as a battery. |
| @Fgth33 I was just sure that there’s no way Furuya would have a sub 3 ERA because he had scored over 4 for his ERA at least on 2-3 occasions so I had to go back and check. To interpret the results again in their first year Summer, Kawakami and Sawamura stats suffered because they were relief pitcher and they were sent into the game with runners on bases or under situations that require big play (which makes me want to go over the stats again in case they comes to the mound with runner on base, it would be counted as the preceding pitcher’s run) so anyway their stats suffer a bit due to lower innings despite both have never at any point lost more runs than Furuya in an official Tournament. Furuya’s first year ERA looked better than what we anticipated because at one point, specifically before he got the Ace No, he pitched a couple of good games (something like 4 games) where he went like 6-7 innings per game without losing any runs which helped got him fhs Ace No and better stats. Although aside from the game against Yakushi, those opponents arguably aren’t no where as good as what they’re playing against in Act 2 and of course to prove that, we know how much worse Furuya did in the official Fall Tourney which shows the obvious difference between the level of the competitions as well as Furuya’s inconsistency. As for Kawakami, he has gotten much better since Act 2 where he’s been starting quite a few games and have been doing better than Furuya results wise so good job to him. There’s really nothing else to add to Sawamura’s ERA as he’s the only pitcher in the team that has consistently able to get his ERA on a downward trend (aside from the Senbatsu which was an outlier anyway because he only got 2 innings). |
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