Vote Count T1.5: aa-dono (4): Soren, bioshade2, Arrisu, Crossbell Soren (2): SightlessReality, followind No lynch (0): Double lynch (1): SoulEaterQUEEN Players not voting: (Togs, Jackrito, Bee-Boy, LucianRoy, aa-dono, Shuuka, Shinichi-kun) Mod Notes: 1000th post! Yes, I've been waiting for this lol EDIT: NUUUU IT'S 1001 >> Time until the phase change << |
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Jackrito said: I'm pretty sure I said this somewhere earlier but it's when you said Soren was suspicious for pushing Sightless for towncred when I remember you doing the opposite in the same situation in another game. Seemed like a manufactured opinion to me. Additionally Soren's points about you only being genuine about gameplay and not scumhunting, and a gut feel that your posts felt off in the first few pages.Togs said: I voted aa-dono for pressure. I would've highly preferred both Jack and AA being in this Twilight. Give me the reasons why then, because you and Bee-boy both have had me as big scum reads with no solid reasons in my view. |
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aa-dono said: Was about to vote lynch Shinichi-kun because of the contradiction vibe he gives me but going through posts again and I can't ignore this: aa-dono said: Aren't "information & thoughts on the game mostly classified"? Are you just using others for your reasonings? Edit: The " " Vote Arrisu I feel like she's putting in a random vote, for the sake of voting. But since we're out of that phase, she comes out with "I'll give reasons later" and then just agreeing with what others pointed at. Though I noticed how she immediately tried to break down the idea of using the Twilight phase to town's advantage right away. That wasn't what I was implying and if she did get scumreads from me by that post, she would read and check again but instead she used the fact that I did discuss about that to strengthen her vote. Though I don't like her vote here. |
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| @togs not even exactly sure how soren is a big town read for you. |
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aa-dono said: Togs said: Ok read through AA. First she asks two questions and seems completely uninterested in the answers. Then she gets in a conversation with SoulEater about the mechanics of double lynching. So scumhunting doesn’t really seems to catch her interest but the setup does. Yeah I definitely would like some more pressure on her. vote: aa-dono I am interested in the answer. If they're answered, that's fine. Sometimes I continue, sometimes I paused for later. As for those who doesn't answer my question, I'll probe again when I want to. Also I go post by post. I used to not even know what discussing mechanics is, but if it let me understand more about what I can use and what I can't, why not? It's not like that was the only thing that caught my attention. dono, explain???? this comes out a bit defensive. |
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aa-dono said: When you said there's a possibility, you're basically implying that. Why do I get contradiction vibe from you, Shin-chan? |
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| Less then 2 hours to go. |
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| Stundens* |
Jackrito said: I may as well update this while I go. For people who hate long posts I will spoiler that the short version is my reads currently are strong Scum: Shinchi,Soren,Dono,Bee-boy, slight scum: Sightless, Togs ( He could go in strong but I just find his style scummy so trying not to be biased.) Neu (Shuuka,Bioshade,Lucian,Followwind) Strong town SoulEaterQueen,Crossbell, Ari, If people want me to explain any of these reads please ask. @Togs do you really see Jack being scummy based on this post? This is how Jack plays the game, he's an analysis man, I don't think his reads are too shabby at that point to be fabricated. |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: Shinchi: I have so many reasons in that his lack of scumhunting is the biggest though more happy to talk about anything but and very defensive also voted for no reason apart from been told to. Dono: same as Shinchi lack of scumhunting and spending too much time on other things. Bee-boy: seems to want me dead but lacking any solid reasons and not looking at many other people but me. Togs: Stuck on me for a while, I don't like how much he defends my bigger scum reads I did like his vote on Dono though since I agreed with it. Sightless: a lot more active then normal which is strange and strongly hated the double lynch. Main town reads. Queen: I like the way they are questioing everyone and actually cares about the answers. I also knew thier reasons for voting me and agree with it. They are really into this and scumhunting like a pro if scum acting really well. Crossbell: They appear to be playing the way I'm used to questioing everyone and care about answers and willing to change views on people shows lack of conviction which a townie is likely to have on day one. Ari: Actively scumhunting and shows confidence in it which they lack a bit as scum. Good earlys sighs which I hope carry on. Hnnnnnnn what is scumhunting to you exactly? Ari and Bee-boy is doing similar thing imo, only different suspects. So are you just okay with Ari because her vote is not on you? This shows that she is thinking about the game by trying to make a connection. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: @bioshade2 whats ur reason for being on dono just curious Its more for information than anything, i haven't noticed anything that really stood out for either of these two. But some of donno's discussion seemed a little circular so edged over sena a tiny bit. And i really don't want to do a no lynch or then we would have learnt nothng |
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aa-dono said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: @aa-dono I'm reading a lot of posts where you ask clarification of player's on what they said, which by all means is fine, but I am not getting a clear sense of some of your own reads. Can you give us a read or two, or some observation list that points us to what you think are hints to alignments? Nothing much. I gave my reasons for Ari, and I'm not getting a good feeling about Shinichi-kun. Other than them, those I think could be town is Crossbell and Togs. Could be scum is Soren and followind. Anyway, I can't stay up anymore. Guess here's my hope for a tie, so that when I wake up, it'll be Twilight phase and I get to discuss more. where's your vote now? |
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bioshade2 said: Shinichi-Kun said: @bioshade2 whats ur reason for being on dono just curious Its more for information than anything, i haven't noticed anything that really stood out for either of these two. But some of donno's discussion seemed a little circular so edged over sena a tiny bit. And i really don't want to do a no lynch or then we would have learnt nothng why not do a double lynch? |
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Arrisu said: I can't help but feel as though Dono is only worried about being lynched this whole time the pressure went on. All she has been is defensive & trying to turn back and pin me out as scum for it. Quite frankly, I find it funny when people try to pin me out as mafia for actively trying to pressure other players. This is definitely my regular town play, and the only reason I can see that Dono & Shinichi are scum reading me is because they don't want to see Dono lynched. All the reasoning dono & Shinichi have given thus far are all far-fetched. It's like an intensified OMGUS vote she gave me there. I really cannot deny this fact here if I want to be perfectly honest. But the scum!aa-dono! I know loses steam after awhile and I feel like she is trying harder and harder as the pressure adds up. I'm getting town frustration vibes with a very poor use of votes. |
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| Sightless do you have any reads or are you good? Either answer is fine I am just curious. |
| I'm good and just to be clear I do not approve of the double lynch Day 1 and will not change my vote to that. |
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| Partway through aa-dono said: Yes, shinichi explicitly said Scum reads right there ^. Even if he didn’t though, it’s Shinichi’s thought process that matters here. I don’t think you’d ever stand to gain any information relevant to scumhunting from asking me this question.Togs said: Shinichi looks genuine in thinking that since he looks at the thread and doesn’t get any reads out of it yet, no one else should have any reads either. He also buts into someone else’s question in a way that I don’t think a scum would do. When you say reads, do you mean only scumreads? Because Shinichi did read someone as town. aa-dono said: Normally when a town player asks a question, they are trying to figure out something. This can be checked by seeing if they do any followup and voice some sort of opinion based on the answer they got. I haven’t seen you do any of this ! But, I think it’s possible that Dono is just the kind of person that asks tons and tons of questions. So let’s see where she voices some opinions..Togs said: Ok read through AA. First she asks two questions and seems completely uninterested in the answers. Then she gets in a conversation with SoulEater about the mechanics of double lynching. So scumhunting doesn’t really seems to catch her interest but the setup does. Yeah I definitely would like some more pressure on her. vote: aa-dono I am interested in the answer. If they're answered, that's fine. Sometimes I continue, sometimes I paused for later. As for those who doesn't answer my question, I'll probe again when I want to. Also I go post by post. I used to not even know what discussing mechanics is, but if it let me understand more about what I can use and what I can't, why not? It's not like that was the only thing that caught my attention. aa-dono said: This vote is very much “first-level” reasoning. Arrisu pressures Dono and if Dono knows she’s town then Arrisu must have a scum motivation. This is actually the kind of opinion I’d expect from someone who’s style is asking a lot of questions but not being able to do much with the information. I’d expect scum to manufacture a read on someone who looked “bad” or “awkward” when answering one of the questions instead, to play off the “anything that looks bad must be scum” mentality other player sometimes have. So, I think I’m leaning town on Dono at this point.Was about to vote lynch Shinichi-kun because of the contradiction vibe he gives me but going through posts again and I can't ignore this: aa-dono said: Aren't "information & thoughts on the game mostly classified"? Are you just using others for your reasonings? Edit: The " " Vote Arrisu I feel like she's putting in a random vote, for the sake of voting. But since we're out of that phase, she comes out with "I'll give reasons later" and then just agreeing with what others pointed at. Though I noticed how she immediately tried to break down the idea of using the Twilight phase to town's advantage right away. That wasn't what I was implying and if she did get scumreads from me by that post, she would read and check again but instead she used the fact that I did discuss about that to strengthen her vote. Also, I don't get why Shuuka's entrance is weird. Sure, she was late. But it could be that she didn't read all the post yet when she cast that random vote. I also think this defense of Shuuka is a town tell. In my experience defending people for this specific reason is something I see town do a lot more often.SoulEaterQUEEN said: Not gonna lie usually when people start posting walls of analysis when put under pressure I find them to be town. Has Jack ever done this as scum ?Jackrito said: I may as well update this while I go. For people who hate long posts I will spoiler that the short version is my reads currently are strong Scum: Shinchi,Soren,Dono,Bee-boy, slight scum: Sightless, Togs ( He could go in strong but I just find his style scummy so trying not to be biased.) Neu (Shuuka,Bioshade,Lucian,Followwind) Strong town SoulEaterQueen,Crossbell, Ari, If people want me to explain any of these reads please ask. @Togs do you really see Jack being scummy based on this post? This is how Jack plays the game, he's an analysis man, I don't think his reads are too shabby at that point to be fabricated. Crossbell said: Hm, the reason why I townread him so early on in Tsundere is mainly because of this sentence “I don't mind voting for Lucian, if he flip scum we can confirm that you are town.” From this I thought he was indicating that he didn’t know how Lucian would flip and that he was genuinely looking for reads in his posts. He’s seemed kind of UTR to me this game, I haven’t seen any solid town tells or signs or clear signs of a scumhunting mindset. I will say that trying to ask Shinichi what his role is is a little bold to do as scum. Anyways I have a null read on follow atm.followind is null for me so far. His post didn't really give too much indicators as to what his alignment is, though the lack of vote is intriguing. @Togs can read him better than I can - Togs, what would you say followind's alignment is? |
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| A thought experiment for those of you who are here and caught up. What information could you get from Soren flipping town or scum ? What about Dono flipping town or scum ? (This is actually 4 questions in one) |
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Soren said: I can only find two people who has reasoning for scum reading me. Both found in their respective read list. Jackrito Jackrito said: I'm not sure I understand this part. Are you saying that I'm pressuring you while getting your thoughts on shinichi and soul and that makes me scummy..? I'm going to need you to find the exact post where you have an issue with so I can understand this further. It should be within the first few pages and with ctrl+f it shouldn't be hard to find. Moving on I don't like how Soren if scumreading me seemed more intrested in my thoughts on Shinchi and Queen this appears to me an attempt to pressure me but doing it at the same time. Jackrito said: Again, I will have to ask you to find the exact post where you are forming this opinion on to have empirical support to your claim. Because here you are implicitly saying that I am scum reading you because I say that you are talking about yourself instead of the game, when this is absolutely not the case here. I merely expressed my read on the genuineness of your postings, and that I am finding it wary how others are town reading you for it when to me it shouldn't be such an strong indication of your towniness. Me dispelling their reasoning to town read you is not equivalent to me calling you scum. It is me having an issue with their reasoning and why I do not see it in the same way that they do.He also trys to make out that I was only answering about myself in general and not game when the question I'm asked relate more to my own views rather then game. Jackrito said: 1. Once again I'm going to ask you to find the posts where I asked others people's opinion on you so that you can display to others that you evidence to support your claim here and are not just misrepresenting things. Soren early game approuch to me just appears like he knows I'm not scum but still trying to push it by asking other peoples views on me so he can use them aganist me. 2. You claim that I asked for other people's views on you so that I can use them against you. Question. Have I used it against you? Jackrito said: Again, with the lack of specific posts and my recollection of what I have said, I can only see that you are misrepresenting things here. I have never stated that I suspect you of being scum. So why would I vote you?The fact he does not vote me but suspects me is telling in this regard. Conclusion: Fails to support his claims with evidential posts and misrepresents what I have been doing in the game. Meaning that this scum read is complete jank. Shinichi Shinichi-Kun said: Here you display absolute zero understanding behind my reasoning for the policy lynch I proposed. But I explained it later and you responded to it. So I will not count this as a reason for scum reading me. Soren The posts of all posts 79, not sure why you wanna policy lynch someone its extremely scummy unless you have some way to prove he's scum this is -1 point for you. Shinichi said: And what if it works because of accurate reads? Honestly, people are so scared to try things in the game because they are so scared of it backfiring. Just like the old days with day 1 lynching, everyone was so against it because people were too afraid of the chances of lynching town. But time and time again we have proven that day 1 lynching is absolutely crucial to progressing the game. 214 This is a huge if and what happen's if it back fire cause of wrong reads? And the plan was very simple. If confident scum reads, then lynch both. If unconfident scum reads, then don't lynch both. Whats the problem? Additionally, here you display that you have a problem with my thought process but fail to demonstrate the most important thing, and that is how that makes me scum. Shinchi said: Tries to discredit my reasoning by saying that you don't think it's true but then say that you doubt it. So you actually agree with me then?219 I don't think this is true because people could just be like reality and say nothing though i doubt that lol Shinichi-Kun said: Again I'm going to just say that you're too scared that this will backfire on town. I'm taking every chance we get in the game where a situation will prove to be beneficial to town. All I see here is that we have a difference in opinion here. If you think that there is something more and that it makes me scum, please do offer some further insight. curious why your so into taking the risk knowing it could hurt town greatly. Conclusion: Disagrees with my thought process but does not explain how that makes me scum. My bolded points on why I think something is off about this. Soren is being very calculative and careful, knew exactly what he posted and the information he planted. A bit of a wild theory that should not be dismissed is the fact that he behaved in such a way that can be interpreted in another way that both Jack/Kaito and I fell into. He sat on the fence in Day 1, and did not truly scum hunt. I also don't have time with the technical jab he posted here with "empirical" and "claims", of course people are not going to break down this defense when it is so "perfectly" well placed. Is anyone else not getting hot vibes from here? So now I move on to the Shinichi-kun case, again, he basically flushes away shinichi's reasoning not being a reasoning. Um excuse, a "bad" reasoning is still a reasoning. THOUGH, I do sense a bit of a frustrated tone coming from Soren's post where he outlines a clash of opinions, or playstyle choices that was used against him to paint him scum, and to me this also shows town frustration. Overall, Jackrito's case rubbed me the wrong way based on how Soren approached it, and how my paranoia spawned of Soren being care/calculative this game, which to me, if you are town, why not let loose a bit, what exactly do you have to hide? But the Kaito case had showed me a frustrated town mindset. I really need some help breaking this down. The last alarm bell I had was that Soren still does not show commitment with his reads when most other people have. I don't understand how you can not have even a *slight* scum tell or a *slight* town. In my next post I plan to review how he produced his null tells though. |
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| @souleaterqueen If the double lynch goes through what do you think the results will be? Togs said: A thought experiment for those of you who are here and caught up. What information could you get from Soren flipping town or scum ? What about Dono flipping town or scum ? (This is actually 4 questions in one) Not sure yet i would need to analyze everyones interaction once the lynch goes through |
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| I'm kind of hesitant on the double lynch because it means that we enter Day 2 at lylo, if both flip town. |
Chione said: Vote Count T1.5: aa-dono (4): Soren, bioshade2, Arrisu, Crossbell Soren (2): SightlessReality, followind No lynch (0): Double lynch (1): SoulEaterQUEEN Players not voting: (Togs, Jackrito, Bee-Boy, LucianRoy, aa-dono, Shuuka, Shinichi-kun) Mod Notes: 1000th post! Yes, I've been waiting for this lol EDIT: NUUUU IT'S 1001 >> Time until the phase change << If aa-dono flips scum: I will actually have a read on bioshade2 (town) My strength on my town read on Ari and Crossbell would increase My scum read on followind would further increase by voting on the countertrain If aa-dono flips town: My read on bioshade2 would be scummy My read on Ari would decrease a little, but I'd still see her as town because I know Ari tunnels as town to progress them game. My read on Crossbell would still be the same because I know how hesistant and uncertain he is about lynching either 1 of them. My read on Soren would not change on either alignment since I know his vote is solely on self preservation which is a null tell. If Soren flips town: My read on Sightless would be a slight scum-null. I would require more than just a vote flip to ever get anything on him truly, I feel. My read on followind would be scummy. If Soren flips scum: I would read both Sightless and followind as town because I would not see them bussing a fellow scum buddy. My read on Crossbell/Ari probably would not change very much due to the fact that Ari was mostly interested in aa-dono which seemed genuine to me, and Crossbell uncertain nature with the voting tells me he would have been okay with going either way. I think bioshade2 would be scummy because again voted on the countertrain to save his scum buddy. |
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Crossbell said: I'm kind of hesitant on the double lynch because it means that we enter Day 2 at lylo, if both flip town. Why do you have to reveal the spoilers >.> |
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| Sorry but vote: Soren At this moment in time, I have a stronger town read on aa-dono than I do on Soren. Not necessarily confident in a scum read for Soren, but my gut is screaming that aa-dono is town a lot louder than Soren being town. |
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| Also my double vote was just a ruse by the way, but Crossbell had to go and ruin it. |
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| unvote vote Soren :( |
| I feel like I was been too harsh on Dono, I really like a lot of thier questions on page 9, they did not follow up on them all sadly. But it shows them thiking about the game and wanting to get people views. Also calling out people for thier actions been different to thier words is a good sign. I also like her reasons for voting, Ari becuase it does make sense in some way and I can see why it would annoy her. Since Ari was agreeing to others reasons on Dono, On the flip I can see why Ari would not give own reasosn to see what others would say and who would defend Dono. Dono takes defense I like this post as well, because it comes off as more town annoyance of been took adv of then a scum who has messed up I will be honest. I added them to the anti double lynch thing as a afterthought, so it was twisted a bit they were not as anti as I made out so I like thier defense. Calling me out on been biased is also another good post as shown here Dono defense 2 I like this post also Dono mini reads it shows some of thier views on players, and who she suspects and trusts not a lot but I liked the views because not all of them are normal ones that a scum would pick to avoid been suspected. Dono on Ari I like this as well as someone who got the lurker tag in the past I can understand this view. It sounds very similar to the way I used to play as well so I respect it tbh. Dono on votes I like this post as well shows thier annoyance at Ari, but also understanding why others like Crossbell voted them and then some pressure on Followind. Based off all this I'm liking thier posts and see where thier playstyle is going aganist them, and can understand it. I would rather not lynch them, tbh since as scum when I have faced them they would never fight this much. This looks a lot more like the Corpse party game, which Queen referanced here Dono past game view Sadly this means not sure where I stand at the moment. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Also my double vote was just a ruse by the way, but Crossbell had to go and ruin it. I was also questioning it too lol. |
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Vote Count T1.6: aa-dono (3): Soren, bioshade2, Arrisu Soren (4): SightlessReality, followind, SoulEaterQUEEN, Crossbell No lynch (0): Double lynch (1): Bee-Boy Players not voting: (Togs, Jackrito, LucianRoy, aa-dono, Shuuka, Shinichi-kun) |
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| who here has a feeling that the scum team are actually lurking and laughing at us being in conflict right now >.> |
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| Me! |
Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Also my double vote was just a ruse by the way, but Crossbell had to go and ruin it. I was also questioning it too lol. yeah well it gave you some townie credit so be happy. |
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| Vote:Soren Sorry as much as I like your defense I can't help but think something is up if I'm wrong well then welp thats what town has a vigilante for. Dono just feels to geuinine to be scum tho I can't reference corpse party cause i died early *cough cough Also I won't be able to change my vote cause i'm leaving in 10 mins go somewhere |
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| I need to look at one last thing Soren gave to me before I fully commit to my vote. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: who here has a feeling that the scum team are actually lurking and laughing at us being in conflict right now >.> Wouldn't be surprised cause like I said I think it's possiblity both soren and dono are town |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: who here has a feeling that the scum team are actually lurking and laughing at us being in conflict right now >.> More then likely not much we can do with people that are impossible to get a read on, Apart from lynch them and hope for the best. I perfer to use my own logic and work off peoples actions so lurkers ruin me in a big way. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: who here has a feeling that the scum team are actually lurking and laughing at us being in conflict right now >.> Wouldn't be surprised cause like I said I think it's possiblity both soren and dono are town Anything is possible, like it is possible you are scum so you know they are both town. |
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| I think aa dono and Soren are both town, but if that's true.. Just. Where are the scum? I hope I'm wrong in one of my reads. |
Soren said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: SightlessReality - has provided almost nothing to the game. Interested to see where my policy lynch went and voted for himself, was against the double lynch, and decides to vote me today despite not scum reading me but because he had to choose someone between the two. Unable to read him.Yes, this is going to be a little obscure. I like reasons behind null reads please. What straight up makes someone null read for you? There's many factors attributed to a null read that contain null elements, or a cancellation effect between scummy/townie, so I want you to assess this with your null reads. I need to understand your mindset more, just a little more. LucianRoy - mostly just catch up posts that commentates on the game with some of his thoughts sprayed in. But it doesn't stick out to me whether he is scum or town from it. followind - seems to not make much of a stance in the game, made a little read list but that didn't do much. I've been avoiding followind in a lot of games because he's still inexperienced and so I can't expect much from him. aa-dono - main thing I recall from aa-dono is asking a lot of questions and then trying to defend her read on ari? bioshade2 - offered some input into the game, but is a newbie and I have a hard time reading newbies. Shuuka - voted jack which added to the wagon, but it seemed from her post that it was a rvs vote. Ultimately has no real thoughts on the game. She is also new and I can't expect much from her so again hard to read. |
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Crossbell said: I think aa dono and Soren are both town, but if that's true.. Just. Where are the scum? I hope I'm wrong in one of my reads. The lack of people being here in twilight phase seriously IRKs me. You have no idea. |
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| I brought Soren into this with my views on them so only fitting I join in this as well. I hate lynching someone who is not there, but neither is Dono i think so either one is bad. So better to go with the one I brought into this and take the blame right or wrong. Vote Soren |
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| Can someone please read my 1021. |
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| We still have a few minutes to think about this. Can someone please answer Tog's question about the benefits of lynching one over the other today. |
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| Ah yes I come back to me getting lynched. |
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That is pretty much my thoughts that I said to Shinchi about 6 hours ago, they is far too much caution and not leaving any trails, for a townie who has no power role they is no need to be that careful. |
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| Well there's nothing else for me to really say. Good luck town. |
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| Computer/ Internet still being janky. I would get a word in about all this, but I can't make an educated decision until I read all of this. Can anyone quickly fill me in on their reasons for voting Soren/ where the Soren train originated? |
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LucianRoy said: Jack thinks I was was pressuring him while getting other people's thoughts on him so I hide behind that and that somehow makes me scum. Shinichi disagrees with my perspective on the twilight approach and somehow that makes me scum. Whereas Crossbell thought the same as me but he never scum read him for it. Computer/ Internet still being janky. I would get a word in about all this, but I can't make an educated decision until I read all of this. Can anyone quickly fill me in on their reasons for voting Soren/ where the Soren train originated? Oh and the lack of scum hunting from me. |
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