Mini Game v23: Angel Beats! Mafia | Game Thread | Game END - Town won!

Shinichi-Kun said:


I'm still not sure what jack has said that make's him deserving of all those votes in the first place, cause even i feel as though the train both built up too fast and is kinda an easy lynch. Cause scum can easily be hiding in that wagon as we speak.

Crossbell said:
Which scum are on the wagon, do you think?

Shinichi-Kun said:


Never implied their was scum on the train just that it was a possibility.

Crossbell said:
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Feels like a natural response for Shinichi to give.
This is yet another "resolute" response that is making me townread Jack.
I like Bee-Boy's language here - he's saying that he's trying to "solve the game". Once again feels townie to me.

Jackrito: Can you analyze your wagon? Who do you think is most likely scum within it?

Bee-Boy said:
I am not liking Shinichi for town right now.
I feel like he is just saying things that don't really have a meaning.

Shinichi-Kun said:


Everyone on that train is pretty neutral to me except tog who give's off a slight town vibe for me.

Jackrito said:


Explain to me the Togs read.

LucianRoy said:
Oh, how sweet, you guys left me seven pages to get through.

Shinichi-Kun said:


Never implied their was scum on the train just that it was a possibility.

Shinichi-Kun said:


Everyone on that train is pretty neutral to me except tog who give's off a slight town vibe for me.

Shinichi-Kun said:
Also it's not that I'm getting pressured i'm just annoyed that ari is saying I only defend other's when I;m scum when i very well know I do it every game regardless of alignment or any other circumstances >3>.

Togs said:


Also, about the agreement/disagreement bias, I feel like that’s what tripped me up most in my last game and what caused me to townread Soren and tunnel on Crossbell. I’m coming into this game with the mindset of making absolutely sure that it doesn’t mess with my reads again.

Not doing stuff like that wouldn’t be helpful to the town, but they certainly could still be town ! Not everyone is going to play the game optimally and it’s a possibly that has to be recognized in dealing with players like that. Even if a post isn’t helpful, it’s still possible to tell if there’s a town or scum mindset behind it.

I’ll look at your case on aa-dono, I must’ve glossed over them this game because that’s the first time I remember reading that name.

Shinichi-Kun said:


Everyone on that train is pretty neutral to me except tog who give's off a slight town vibe for me.

Arrisu said:

You're blowing everything out of proportion every time I say something. I said most of the time. x)

Also why do you get so upset with one thing I've noted about you when others were discussing your more then I was. You're not even my prime suspect, so please, calm yourself.

I swear you hate me x)

Bee-Boy said:




These feel fluffy to me.

Jackrito said:
You led some bad tunnels in our last game and seems you are doing the same again here. Stop looking at things to suit your agenda.

SoulEaterQUEEN said:


I would be interested in seeing a possible double lynch on aa-dono and Kaito if nothing else.

SoulEaterQUEEN said:
Alright, time to hop off the Jackrito train.
Jack's reaction to his train earlier really felt like a frustrated !town!Jackrito, rather than a panicked scum (though I don't think he really panics as scum tbh), so far I have a light town read on him. But I want follow up on who he wants to lynch this phase.
Onto the Kaito train:
he's a bit wish washy, and the vote on Arrisu feels like it came out of nowhere when someone asked him to vote. This felt like it came from a pressure related reason (re-read perhaps)
vote: Kaito
@Arrisu
as for the vote on aa-dono, not a bad idea, though she is a bit of a null tell for me. I actually can't think of an example where she actually scum hunts properly though, she played liked this pretty similarly in Denja's game and she got a lot of heat from it at the beginning but ended up being town afterwards, part of my reluctance, but I was too caught up with the Jack train to be interested. I used Jack as bit of a wagon bait, but not too impressed with the results with it, shuuka has bit of a weird entrance with it and Bee-Boy I was unsure how strong his conviction was on Jack but he's getting a light town-town read from other player's so going to observe him a bit more.

I would be interested in seeing a possible double lynch on aa-dono and Kaito if nothing else.

SoulEaterQUEEN said:

There's definitely enough substance to get better reads.
What about Shuuka's vote that came out of nowhere?
My interaction with Jack?
Jack himself?

Bee-Boy said:
I'd prefer if you got stronger opinions.
Or at least pretended to.

Bee-Boy said:
Sorry but who is Kaito >_>

Crossbell said:
Yeah, I have a townread on Jackrito as well. This solidified it:



I was really hoping for at least a five man wagon on Jackrito though, I might have been too aggressive in pushing people away from him.

Out of the people on there I think Shuuka has the highest chance to be scum, but given that only four people were on the wagon it wouldn't surprise me if everyone on the Jackrito wagon was all town.

SoulEaterQUEEN said:

when I say wish-washy it is more in terms of his emotions, his tone in his posts feel really emotional, and a slightly bit defensive? There's really no reason to be this reactive when nothing substantial has happened in the phase earlier and barely no pressure was put on him but when the pressure starts to shift he begins to react - just really not getting good vibes.
I will break some down examples in the morning, but the interaction between him and Ari is what is tipping me off.

Shinichi-Kun said:


This is her first game Not gonna judge who off of a few votes and some interactions with jack lol.

I don't see him as scum like everyone else i just get a neutral read from him.

Crossbell said:
Yeah, I have a townread on Jackrito as well. This solidified it:



I was really hoping for at least a five man wagon on Jackrito though, I might have been too aggressive in pushing people away from him.

Out of the people on there I think Shuuka has the highest chance to be scum, but given that only four people were on the wagon it wouldn't surprise me if everyone on the Jackrito wagon was all town.

Shinichi-kun said:

I don't see him as scum like everyone else i just get a neutral read from him.

SoulEaterQUEEN said:
yes that's where my thought process is too, though I don't have much of a read on Bee-Boy yet. He just feels a bit...passive for me at the moment?

SoulEaterQUEEN said:

you defended him earlier this phase, why would you defend a neutral read?

Crossbell said:
If Jack is a neutral/null read for you, why aren't you putting in the legwork to figure out and determine his alignment?

You can read my page rereads where I pointed out some townie language from him. I do acknowledge that he is probably a good enough player to fool me if he is indeed scum, though.

Shinichi-Kun said:


Cause i always do? Not sure how I'm suppose to answer that question lol

SoulEaterQUEEN said:

what's the benefit on doing this if you don't know his alignment or have a "feeling" or "suspicion" of his alignment?

Shinichi-kun said:
Cause i need to gather info but don't have the time to do taht right now to prove hish alignment. I'll do it later when i got more free time and more effort XD.

Crossbell said:
Okay. I'll hold you accountable to this.

Shinichi-Kun said:


Just how i play the game is there a problem with that lmao? I normally do it day 1 cause i feel like some people end up being voted off of a reason's that are really hard to defend themselves from that's why. Not sure why your questioning this now when i've done it in every game we played together.

Shinichi-Kun said:


Just how i play the game is there a problem with that lmao? I normally do it day 1 cause i feel like some people end up being voted off of a reason's that are really hard to defend themselves from that's why. Not sure why your questioning this now when i've done it in every game we played together.

Crossbell said:
My gut is telling me that Shinichi is very very light town, but this is mostly just a gut feeling.

For those of you who have more experience with his scum game, can you tell me how he normally plays? I remember he was the D1 lynch in Corpse Party; what did he do there that made him the D1 scumlynch?

Jackrito said:


To be fair if you are town, they should not be many reasons why you can't defend yourself on day one. Since they is not enough info to put someone in a truly hard spot, an mafia on the other hand can slip a lot easily and will not always have the confidence to escape. So the whole saving people thing I dislike on day one espically a town should be able to talk thier way out of it alone.

SoulEaterQUEEN said:

I lynched him in the last 10-20 minutes to be fair, I did not like his "I don't want to take part in the lynch" attitude so I jumped on his anti-town behaviour on impulse.
But do note that he was oblivious scum so he himself did not know he was scum I suppose?
@Jackrito would know more about his scum game though

Shinichi-Kun said:


I'm actually quite terrible at defending myself lol normally once a train builds on me i just make the situation worse regardless of being town or scum :'(. I honestly don't see anything wrong with what I do and I don't think it honestly harms anyone but myself cause seem's people find myself scummy based off of a meta read that i've done every game for a while now.

SoulEaterQUEEN said:

Normally I don't care, but apparently this is one of your scum tells pointed out by Jack/Ari so I am trying to dive into your perspective on how it benefits your play as both town/scum.
What happens if you are defending scum? What happens if the reason why they can't defend themselves is because of scum play? Why do you assume that people being lynched are going to be town? Why do you have null tells on a wagon that has been going for awhile?
I need some more thoughts in this area because to me this is making me see you as being scummy.
Defending people who you don't have an indicative of their alignment as town does not make sense, you would only defend someone when scum because you want to gain a townie's trust, or by setting them up to look scummy through association.
Also the fact you seem so sure that D1 is going to result in a town lynch also tips me off that you have an idea who is town, and only scum would feel this confidence. It feels as though you are setting town up to be discouraged on lynching and ready to town shame by the end of it.
Lastly null tells gives me another tip of being scummy because scum are afraid to commit to reads until they have a plan on who to get on their side and who to frame.

SoulEaterQUEEN said:

then if you recognize a problem with your meta and it makes you a scum target as both town and scum in which you can't defend yourself apparently, why not put an effort to change it or ask people for pointers? By not wanting to change (not drastically obviously) just tells me you are not interested in improving your game.