| Whatever, that's fine. I will just wait for the next thing to come up or something...Its still a developing system. It is what is. I feel like getting a second chance in any kind of way would be too much of an asspull. And I am not a fan of pulling shit of my own ass and trying to play with it. So I can be patient ^^ |
CarenPriest said: Barbarian1 said: Honestly. All I want is a turn system to be put into place. So that more people don't get bullshitted like me and my partner did. Basically in our fight, it was who ever typed the fastest won, and I only got to type up one post before we flat out were annihilated. And a whole battle scene went on in a matter of seconds. Now personally. If we stay dead thats fine by me....Despite a few personal grudges I have against it. As long as the turn system is put in place. So that everyone else in the future gets a better shot than we did. Because we kinda got raped, and I still am not completely sure how I even died, because like. A whole page went buy before I finished posting. I think it had something to do with something weird. I dunno. But yeah. Turn systems implemented to combat is all I want to come out of this really. Sincere apologies for not being there to moderate the fight .-. Hmmm.... I may become the Master of Assassin, Kuzuki Perhaps. If you want, you're welcome to asspull somewhat and perhaps save your character with some kind of Reverse-Conjuration (as in bringing your own character to the other world, saving him temporarily). Or you could make the Master of Assassin. Sorry again about all this, it won't happen again. |
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CarenPriest said: TrueKireiPriest said: Wait, so I can't try and setup traps and surprise attacks anymore? You can, but some warning towards the designated target would be appreciated. Or discuss how you'll want things to go once it's actually activated. Oh, and/or a post that actually sets up the trap beforehand - so if the users don't see it coming in the future, then it'll be their own fault. So I need to post my plans beforehand, and hope the target steps into the trap voluntarily? People want to win this war Caren, they're not going to start strolling off cliffs. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
| So is Berserker Dead? or Berserker just lost a number of lives and managed to escape |
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| Alright, it's almost 5 AM at my place and I seriously have to go to sleep. When I wake up, I'll try to think of something and explain it using images to make more sense for everyone out of it. Using only story format obviously easily leads to a mess, so we need a system that can support the story format. As for resolution to the fight, maybe a few fair proposal by the Overseer and players vote for each? I feel that Bluepedal and Barbarian should have been given the option to continue playing, while still rewarding the team that set up the clever trap. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| I think the fight should be reset have team caster team saber team berseker and team gilgemesh there then have a turn system put in like a posting order first we have Team caster second turn goes to team saber third to team berseker fourth to team Gilgemesh and then repeat if any other group joins there turn goes after the last turn like Rider or Lancer or archer joined they would go after Gilgemesh and then the next team follows as well it would at least give people time to respond to attacks because if a fight went on and me and my partner had to go that means we would get killed because we wernt around to post that would piss me off and be unfair personally i want berseker dead but i have my reasons for that which is still unfair of why i lost berseker as my servant and the way they lost is unfair as well which is more of serves you right now they see how i felt but still that shouldnt happen like that |
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| *has finished reading through everything* Oh god, that's just...brutal. You guys really don't know the meaning of 'mercy', do you .___________________. |
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CarenPriest said: *has finished reading through everything* Oh god, that's just...brutal. You guys really don't know the meaning of 'mercy', do you .___________________. Payback for that rude letter you sent me :PP |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
CarenPriest said: *has finished reading through everything* Oh god, that's just...brutal. You guys really don't know the meaning of 'mercy', do you .___________________. It's ok, I will become Kuzuki, Master of Assassin. |
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| Hmm i say berserker now only has 6 lives remaining due to the heavy amount of damage received from 3 servants? |
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TrueKireiPriest said: CarenPriest said: *has finished reading through everything* Oh god, that's just...brutal. You guys really don't know the meaning of 'mercy', do you .___________________. Payback for that rude letter you sent me :PP How is that payback, if it's directed at me?!?! lol |
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Barbarian1 said: Whatever, that's fine. I will just wait for the next thing to come up or something...Its still a developing system. It is what is. I feel like getting a second chance in any kind of way would be too much of an asspull. And I am not a fan of pulling shit of my own ass and trying to play with it. So I can be patient ^^ Okay, Barbarian? If we don't roll back, I believe Caren will be able to save Elizabeth, although it seems as though I may not be able to do anything about Ashikaga since he's long confirmed dead, unless you really want to keep on using him. blacknight201 said: So is Berserker Dead? or Berserker just lost a number of lives and managed to escape Preferably, even though it's a little unrealistic, I would prefer this. Berserker loses around six to nine of his lives to GoB and suffers plenty of damage, but is still alive with Elizabeth and retreats. That is the preferred outcome. The trap succeeds in dealing damage, but the players are still welcome to continue as they are. |
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blacknight201 said: Hmm i say berserker now only has 6 lives remaining due to the heavy amount of damage received from 3 servants? How many lives Berserker has isn't as important as whether his master is dead or not. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
Bluepedal said: TrueKireiPriest said: Payback for that rude letter you sent me :PP How is that payback, if it's directed at me?!?! lol Because I have to deal with the headache of moderating you all ;___; Waaaaaaaahhhh, otou-san you big meanie! Waaaahhh!!! |
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TrueKireiPriest said: blacknight201 said: Hmm i say berserker now only has 6 lives remaining due to the heavy amount of damage received from 3 servants? How many lives Berserker has isn't as important as whether his master is dead or not. He'll still last an hour or two, and since Elizabeth is still alive, he can make a contract with her. Should they make it to the Church, I'll grant her one Command Seal. Or he can just die bringing her to the Church, and she can summon Assassin afterwards. Hmm. Barbarian and Bluepedal, what do you guys want? |
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ZeroDragon said: CarenPriest said: Well, I guess if Berserker of all people was caught in a trap, I'd probably join in too. Honestly, if Gilgamesh hadn't joined in, I would've been fine with it. Becaue then he'd end up with a lot of lives lost but become close to invincible afterwards and be able to do something about Archer - while at the same time balancing out his own God Hand. However, instead of balancing out God Hand, it went in completely the other direction, from what I can tell. Well the whole objective was to swing the balance in favor of the those who set up the trap. Just as it may be bullshit that we claimed to have succeeded in taking one of Berserker's lives, it would have been equally if not more bullshit for Berserker to escape with only a bleeding arm against GILGAMESH, SABER, AND CASTER. And the moment Enkidu was used, Berserker shouldn't have been able to escape. |
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| There is too much going wrong in this game first was the signups how everyone was switching masters and servants more or screwing me now im a servant and not a master Second the battle need a posting order so people have a chance to post and not get screwed out of the game like Pedal and Barbarin just were Three if you set up a trap you shouldnt have to tell them that it kind of defeats the purpose of the trap the way it was excuted was perfect the way they attacked and giving Pedal and Barbarin no chance to even post was horrible |
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OneTrueEmiya said: ZeroDragon said: Well the whole objective was to swing the balance in favor of the those who set up the trap. Just as it may be bullshit that we claimed to have succeeded in taking one of Berserker's lives, it would have been equally if not more bullshit for Berserker to escape with only a bleeding arm against GILGAMESH, SABER, AND CASTER. And the moment Enkidu was used, Berserker shouldn't have been able to escape. A Command Seal had been used to break free, and I believe it's for the best that the "Command Seal-negating property" of the chain is overridden since it's only detrimental to the RP mechanics. Well? Barbarian, Blue, should we start over or continue as we are? |
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CarenPriest said: TrueKireiPriest said: How many lives Berserker has isn't as important as whether his master is dead or not. He'll still last an hour or two, and since Elizabeth is still alive, he can make a contract with her. Should they make it to the Church, I'll grant her one Command Seal. Or he can just die bringing her to the Church, and she can summon Assassin afterwards. Hmm. Barbarian and Bluepedal, what do you guys want? Heavy damage and needs a new master seems like a fair compromise. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
CarenPriest said: Bluepedal said: How is that payback, if it's directed at me?!?! lol Because I have to deal with the headache of moderating you all ;___; Waaaaaaaahhhh, otou-san you big meanie! Waaaahhh!!! CarenPriest said: TrueKireiPriest said: How many lives Berserker has isn't as important as whether his master is dead or not. He'll still last an hour or two, and since Elizabeth is still alive, he can make a contract with her. Should they make it to the Church, I'll grant her one Command Seal. Or he can just die bringing her to the Church, and she can summon Assassin afterwards. Hmm. Barbarian and Bluepedal, what do you guys want? So I wouldn't be able to become Kuzuki? |
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CarenPriest said: Barbarian1 said: Whatever, that's fine. I will just wait for the next thing to come up or something...Its still a developing system. It is what is. I feel like getting a second chance in any kind of way would be too much of an asspull. And I am not a fan of pulling shit of my own ass and trying to play with it. So I can be patient ^^ Okay, Barbarian? If we don't roll back, I believe Caren will be able to save Elizabeth, although it seems as though I may not be able to do anything about Ashikaga since he's long confirmed dead, unless you really want to keep on using him. blacknight201 said: So is Berserker Dead? or Berserker just lost a number of lives and managed to escape Preferably, even though it's a little unrealistic, I would prefer this. Berserker loses around six to nine of his lives to GoB and suffers plenty of damage, but is still alive with Elizabeth and retreats. That is the preferred outcome. The trap succeeds in dealing damage, but the players are still welcome to continue as they are. Honestly, that's what I wanted to happen at first Caren, Ashikaga used his last 2 command seals to try to get berserker to give Elizabeth safe escort out of the area. But apparently, that failed really hard. Because by the time I had typed my second combat post, everyone had already died. Or something like that. To be honest, I didn't really read through what I didn't see because it was just gonna make me more depressed that it actually happened. And then that 2nd combat post was deleted because it became irrelevant. Honestly I just want to be an example. That supports the idea of the turn system. That's all I can really hope for at this point |
TrueKireiPriest said: CarenPriest said: You can, but some warning towards the designated target would be appreciated. Or discuss how you'll want things to go once it's actually activated. Oh, and/or a post that actually sets up the trap beforehand - so if the users don't see it coming in the future, then it'll be their own fault. So I need to post my plans beforehand, and hope the target steps into the trap voluntarily? People want to win this war Caren, they're not going to start strolling off cliffs. "Hide" your trap in your post, such as saying you'll ambush someone and giving a vague notion of where you are. |
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ZeroDragon said: I'd still like my questions regarding the system answered. Honestly, I have my own questions too about what you guys have come up with *sigh* As soon as this situation is resolved, I should be able to properly look over everything in this thread and then respond appropriately with a more definite system. |
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CarenPriest said: OneTrueEmiya said: And the moment Enkidu was used, Berserker shouldn't have been able to escape. A Command Seal had been used to break free, and I believe it's for the best that the "Command Seal-negating property" of the chain is overridden since it's only detrimental to the RP mechanics. Well? Barbarian, Blue, should we start over or continue as we are? I am not really satisfied with my servant or my position in general. I'd be open to become Elizabeth (Do I get to choose abilities?) and summon Assassin. |
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Bluepedal said: CarenPriest said: Because I have to deal with the headache of moderating you all ;___; Waaaaaaaahhhh, otou-san you big meanie! Waaaahhh!!! CarenPriest said: He'll still last an hour or two, and since Elizabeth is still alive, he can make a contract with her. Should they make it to the Church, I'll grant her one Command Seal. Or he can just die bringing her to the Church, and she can summon Assassin afterwards. Hmm. Barbarian and Bluepedal, what do you guys want? So I wouldn't be able to become Kuzuki? Wait what? You're still Berserker, right? And Kuzuki is long dead (since post-UBW scenario). |
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OneTrueEmiya said: Bluepedal said: So I wouldn't be able to become Kuzuki? Wait what? You're still Berserker, right? And Kuzuki is long dead (since post-UBW scenario). You just spoiled a major plot development for me. Wtf. |
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OneTrueEmiya said: TrueKireiPriest said: So I need to post my plans beforehand, and hope the target steps into the trap voluntarily? People want to win this war Caren, they're not going to start strolling off cliffs. "Hide" your trap in your post, such as saying you'll ambush someone and giving a vague notion of where you are. I actually did something very similar. Berserker's team was under the impression that the ambush was for Gilgamesh. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
| Well remaber Pedal you first excepted me as a master and then dithced me for Barbarin and now that everyone ganged up on Berseker now you want someone else who is less likely to be ganged up on |
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Bluepedal said: OneTrueEmiya said: Wait what? You're still Berserker, right? And Kuzuki is long dead (since post-UBW scenario). You just spoiled a major plot development for me. Wtf. .____. What. If I can't spoil 2nd cour UBW, then Archer can't use any of his moves. Most of them are spoilery and Shirou himself is a walking spoiler. |
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CarenPriest said: ZeroDragon said: I'd still like my questions regarding the system answered. Honestly, I have my own questions too about what you guys have come up with *sigh* As soon as this situation is resolved, I should be able to properly look over everything in this thread and then respond appropriately with a more definite system. Ok. I'll be fine with whatever system as long as it's defined clearly. Like to those of us who conducted the ambush, Berserker shouldn't have been able to escape, but Berserker thought he could. As long as we have some defined way to find an agreement in cases like this then things should be fine. |
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TrueKireiPriest said: OneTrueEmiya said: "Hide" your trap in your post, such as saying you'll ambush someone and giving a vague notion of where you are. I actually did something very similar. Berserker's team was under the impression that the ambush was for Gilgamesh. Yeah that wasn't really hint enough. Especially since a lot of power players were teaming up to go after one of the greatest threats. |
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OneTrueEmiya said: TrueKireiPriest said: So I need to post my plans beforehand, and hope the target steps into the trap voluntarily? People want to win this war Caren, they're not going to start strolling off cliffs. "Hide" your trap in your post, such as saying you'll ambush someone and giving a vague notion of where you are. ^this. Vague detail of plan and place, so that they might be able to figure it out. ~ ~ ~ Barbarian1 said: Honestly, that's what I wanted to happen at first Caren, Ashikaga used his last 2 command seals to try to get berserker to give Elizabeth safe escort out of the area. But apparently, that failed really hard. Because by the time I had typed my second combat post, everyone had already died. Or something like that. To be honest, I didn't really read through what I didn't see because it was just gonna make me more depressed that it actually happened. And then that 2nd combat post was deleted because it became irrelevant. Honestly I just want to be an example. That supports the idea of the turn system. That's all I can really hope for at this point The death of Ashikaga was...well, fine, I guess. But the death of Elizabeth was unprecedented, as not only was she protected by Berserker's God Hand and strength, but they were also moving incredibly fast, making it almost impossible to have her head crushed like it did. Not to mention it's a sheer act of cruelty by RP standards. I know this is a HGW, but seriously guys? You have to go and try to kill 'em all no matter what? |
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Bluepedal said: TrueKireiPriest said: I actually did something very similar. Berserker's team was under the impression that the ambush was for Gilgamesh. Yeah that wasn't really hint enough. Especially since a lot of power players were teaming up to go after one of the greatest threats. I do believe that's the point of a sneak attack. If you see Kirei waiting in the shadows, then be prepared against him. He's not going to ambush Gil just because he's the most powerful. He could very well have been targeting anyone. Since you were running, you became the natural target. |
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LoveandHate91 said: Well remaber Pedal you first excepted me as a master and then dithced me for Barbarin and now that everyone ganged up on Berseker now you want someone else who is less likely to be ganged up on I only switched masters because you did not reply at all, and it was close to the eleventh hour, I had no choice but to switch with someone who might be more active. I thought you were inactive and not on enough. Sorry. I had sent you messages and you had failed to reply during the entire day. |
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| I still don't understand the logic behind warning your target of a trap. It could not be more counter intuitive. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
OneTrueEmiya said: Bluepedal said: You just spoiled a major plot development for me. Wtf. .____. What. If I can't spoil 2nd cour UBW, then Archer can't use any of his moves. Most of them are spoilery and Shirou himself is a walking spoiler. I think he said that identity spoilers are okay, but not story spoilers. I think it should be fine to use Archer's signature noble phantasm though since there's no context to those who don't already know the meaning behind it. |
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OneTrueEmiya said: Wait what? You're still Berserker, right? And Kuzuki is long dead (since post-UBW scenario). This is post-UBW? Don't be silly. In this HGW, pretty much everyone already died beforehand, but they're just not aware of it yet. No one's questioning what happened or what the Sixth War was, so that's that. OneTrueEmiya said: .____. What. If I can't spoil 2nd cour UBW, then Archer can't use any of his moves. Most of them are spoilery and Shirou himself is a walking spoiler. Archer can use Unlimited Blade Works, it's fine. I've already detailed it in the front page AND Google Doc in a way that isn't spoilery. It does spoil what he can do, but nothing about the plot itself so. As for Shirou, keep him under control for now. He can use Projection and all that, but anything beyond that is forbidden. For now, anyway. Please do try your best not to spoil the 2nd Cour. |
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ZeroDragon said: I think he said that identity spoilers are okay, but not story spoilers. I think it should be fine to use Archer's signature noble phantasm though since there's no context to those who don't already know the meaning behind it. Ah. Alright then. Sorry Bluepedal. In any case, Herc is still alive, so why change characters? |
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Bluepedal said: Then can I create my own new master and summon Assassin? OneTrueEmiya said: In any case, Herc is still alive, so why change characters? |
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| You never did send me messages Pedal all you did was answer messages saying you informed me of finding a new master in the thread and kinda screwed me out of servants and now that you got screwed in a battle everything seems to have changed |
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Bluepedal said: Then can I create my own new master and summon Assassin? Berserker is still alive, and by my word, so is Barbarian's Elizabeth. Unless you want Berserker to disappear, in which case, go on ahead. However, since there's no one to control Assassin (unless Barbarian wants to do that), you may find yourself in a bit of a pickle. |
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Bluepedal said: Then can I create my own new master and summon Assassin? How about I have Caster use Rule Breaker on me, and you can take over as her master? I don't think I'll continue with this RP |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
LoveandHate91 said: You never did send me messages Pedal all you did was answer messages saying you informed me of finding a new master in the thread and kinda screwed me out of servants and now that you got screwed in a battle everything seems to have changed I did send you messages, but anyway, I'm sorry okay TrueKireiPriest said: Bluepedal said: Then can I create my own new master and summon Assassin? How about I have Caster use Rule Breaker on me, and you can take over as her master? I don't think I'll continue with this RP Maybe we really should restart, since everything is all messed up and no one can really be satisified. |
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Bluepedal said: LoveandHate91 said: You never did send me messages Pedal all you did was answer messages saying you informed me of finding a new master in the thread and kinda screwed me out of servants and now that you got screwed in a battle everything seems to have changed I did send you messages, but anyway, I'm sorry okay TrueKireiPriest said: How about I have Caster use Rule Breaker on me, and you can take over as her master? I don't think I'll continue with this RP Maybe we really should restart, since everything is all messed up and no one can really be satisified. You know what, for the sake of the others, I will be willing to go through the situation again. |
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Bluepedal said: I did send you messages, but anyway, I'm sorry okay TrueKireiPriest said: How about I have Caster use Rule Breaker on me, and you can take over as her master? I don't think I'll continue with this RP Maybe we really should restart, since everything is all messed up and no one can really be satisified. That's the worst possible scenario, imo |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
LoveandHate91 said: You never did send me messages Pedal all you did was answer messages saying you informed me of finding a new master in the thread and kinda screwed me out of servants and now that you got screwed in a battle everything seems to have changed These are the probabilities I was expecting from that battle: 25% Gil "Drinking wine" and "observing the play" back at the meta-level since he got killed by playing right into Kirei's hands. 35% Telling Shrimp to use a command seal and get us out of there. 40% Kirei was telling me the truth during our planning. I'm certain that had I been the target of the ambush, there wouldn't be nearly this much fuss because I would have accepted it. If I had been more cautious I wouldn't have exposed myself in the open at the words of another master. I would have stayed hidden and observed instead of flaunting my glory and exposing myself. |
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TrueKireiPriest said: Bluepedal said: I did send you messages, but anyway, I'm sorry okay Maybe we really should restart, since everything is all messed up and no one can really be satisified. That's the worst possible scenario, imo Agreed. It'll just end up in Berserker getting lynched by Gil, this time via turns. Let's just move on. |
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