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Jul 24, 2024 8:13 PM
#51
Damn, I really feel old as shit hearing that ED. I'm actually both surprised and not surprised. Surprised, that they used that ED and not surprised since both Alya and Haruhi are Kadokawa IPs. |
I'm a cultured degenerate. |
Jul 24, 2024 8:31 PM
#52
Reply to paulchaested
Damn, I really feel old as shit hearing that ED. I'm actually both surprised and not surprised. Surprised, that they used that ED and not surprised since both Alya and Haruhi are Kadokawa IPs.
@paulchaested I never watched Haruhi, so had no idea that was special and just skipped it. |
Jul 24, 2024 9:53 PM
#53
Terrible episode. The first part was mostly boring and then... Wow, up until now I didn't think Alya was such a bitch. A slap just because he has a random memory? Run Kuze run! Of course he acted like a little bitch too for not even trying to defend himself and/or explain it was a childhood memory of someone he barely remembers. I rarely call people bitches, but that was serious doormat behavior from him and awful from her. And then Alya even denies to herself that she has feelings for him? After all the stuff she says in Russian right to his face? So she's a moron too. This really turned me off on this whole show and the two main characters. If I thought Masha had a serious chance I might keep watching, but otherwise I'm probably done with this. HOOfan_1 said: sameI never watched Haruhi, so had no idea that was special and just skipped it. |
Cursive is the future. - Nate Bargatze |
Jul 25, 2024 3:13 AM
#54
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya was probably the break-out role for Tomokazu Sugita (Rudeus' inner voice, Gintoki). If you do watch it, I'd recommend looking up the chronological viewing order for season 1. They intentionally aired the season 1 episodes all jumbled up (which at the time was unique and added mystery). Then with season 2, just skip to the end of the Endless Eight arc once that starts. Which is ... 8 episodes I think. Mindboggling but they did the same episode with minor variations over and over. |
Jul 31, 2024 8:33 AM
#55
Episode 5 Yuki has come over again, and Masachika walks in on her while she's changing, which was intentional on Yuki's part. And so, the next day Masachika begins putting his plan into motion to make Alya tge student council president, but of course there are a number of issues to deal with. But in the meantime, Masachika is starting off handling general affairs. Lots of awkward and tropy situations here going to show that Yuki is looking for attention. The ending song for this episode is the ending to The Angel Next Door Spoils Me Rotten. |
Jul 31, 2024 11:18 AM
#56
Man... Yuki is a very dangerous imouto. How is she getting more spotlight than Alya 😭 |
I'm a cultured degenerate. |
Jul 31, 2024 12:45 PM
#57
90% of anime tropes could be avoided if people just 1) locked doors and 2) kept their eyes open when performing important activities like entering rooms or tripping & falling. Geez. Still, it's nice to have some more mischievous Yuki. She's keeping this show interesting. Although this is creepy as hell: I would've just walked out and left her under there. The previous episode felt rushed, and this one feels padded (pun intended) with a bunch of superfluous Masachika ogling scenes... Zero Russian in this episode either. I'm kind of losing interest other than in Yuki's antics. |
boldulyssesJul 31, 2024 12:54 PM
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Jul 31, 2024 5:40 PM
#58
I swear Yuki is the Deadpool of this series. She's the only one who realizes they are in an anime and she's playing up all the tropes. |
Jul 31, 2024 10:45 PM
#59
The heck?! They're really just recycling ED themes now? I couldn't remember the Anime it was from until I searched it, but I was very familiar with the music since it's on my 2023 Anime playlist. Good taste on the music they choose though. The 'Sibling Romance' bits have finally grown on me and I also now appreciate Yuki's Naughty Imouto side- I still like her student council alter ego though. Alya, Masha, and the new character, Chisaki were unfortunately just cliches for this episode, especially the latter with her Brute-Outside-Cute-Inside gimmick. I guess it's very safe to say now that the premise of this show isn't a priority, and that they're now just full-on capitalizing on Alya and friends' "Marketability". Such a shame since this could've easily been a much better entry to the waifu-centric Rom-Com genre compared to shows like Kubo-san, Takagi-san, and heck, even Komi Can't Communicate (it went from Social Anxiety to just simply an Idol with a "Shy Personality" gimmick). But now, I can't even consider it being better than Aharen-san when it comes to concept consistency. I'll keep watching just to simp xD But I'm already settling at 5/10 for this show, regardless of the story being good or not. |
Jozuwa-_-Jul 31, 2024 10:54 PM
Jul 31, 2024 11:14 PM
#60
Aug 1, 2024 6:50 AM
#61
^I totally forgot about that! TBH I think I may have been a bit, um, distracted by the low-cut PJs... Jozuwa-_- said: ...Chisaki were unfortunately just cliches for this episode, especially the latter with her Brute-Outside-Cute-Inside gimmick. Yeah her "brute" facade lasted all of 20 seconds. The fake hitting of her boyfriend made my eyes roll so hard I think I sprained a muscle. So let's go over the girls in this series: - Alya: Semi-tsundere with wildly inconsistent personality & responses - Masha: "Motherly" type with nails-on-a-chalkboard voice & demeanor - Chisaki: Walking cliche introduced without even an attempt to maintain the "tough girl" illusion I gotta say, Yuki's looking pretty darn good by comparison. |
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Aug 1, 2024 7:46 AM
#62
boldulysses said: I've been bothered by that since her first appearance. It sounds to me like a Male VA doing their darnest to voice a female character.Masha: "Motherly" type with nails-on-a-chalkboard voice & demeanor boldulysses said: On point! The entire point of Alya "... hides her feelings in Russian" is supposed to be that she's being the most honest about her feelings when she does that, thinking Kuze doesn't understand it. She's already made her feelings towards Kuze very clear multiple times so her being all fuzzy about telling Kuze she "like" him in Russian doesn't really make sense anymore.Alya: Semi-tsundere with wildly inconsistent personality & responses Such a bummer since one of my favorite moments from this show is when Alya joyfully and repeatedly exclaimed in Russian "Talk to me!" right beside Kuze, but it's not as fun to look back on now with Alya's character becoming simply a Tsundere, whether she's in front of Kuze or not. I just hope Yuki x Kuze keeps going strong so my other favorite moment from the show (their "Matta Matta!" scene together) doesn't go to waste. |
Aug 7, 2024 9:13 AM
#64
Episode 6 Yuki is throwing down the gauntlet there as she becomes quite confrontational towards Alya after Kuze declares his intention to support Alya as the the next student council president over his sister. That puts Alya in a jam, in more than one way. And thus, the war begins to see if it's the girlfriend or little sister who becomes the next president. Afterwards, they have dinner at a cafe with dessert, and orders some extremely spicy mapo tofu that he dares Alya to eat. Then there's Sayaka, who is Yuki's best frirend from high school, and Ayano joins the student council as another person handling general affairs. Things are getting quite tense here as Alya and Yuki are not only fighting for the student council president, but for Masachika's affection as well. |
Aug 7, 2024 10:26 AM
#65
I thought we covered the spicy food thing like 4 episodes ago...? What was the point of that? Anybody recognize the ED this week? Evil Yuki is the only thing keeping this going. |
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Aug 7, 2024 11:33 AM
#66
I got it. Yuki has to be Nyarlathotep, The Crawling Chaos. She's made all of us so insane that we don't even realize how much Yuki is making us lose our minds. |
I'm a cultured degenerate. |
Aug 7, 2024 2:12 PM
#67
Finally, an episode that has an ED I don't know about xD Kuze's internal madness towards Yuki is really a fun thing to watch. Even when Yuki's not on-screen, she brings chaos through Kuze's suffering. While I appreciate this episode finally having some "Alya hides her feelings in Russian" bits again, it was still mostly just ordinary romance moments between Alya and Kuze. It was a pretty fine romance episode though. Not as eye-rolling as the previous episodes. New character appears! And it looks like Kuze has some issues with her as well. Yuki be evil sometimes :P Let's see what this new character brings to the show. |
Aug 7, 2024 3:55 PM
#68
Looking up its name 'Secret Words' seems it's a song originally contracted last year to celebrate this show getting an anime adaptation. So it's not a repeat of a different show. But man, Uesaka Sumire has to sing all the EDs it seems. The point of giving her a spoonful of the spicy food was because the MC enjoys a good troll like his sister. He knows Alya can't handle spicy food but she keeps pretending she can, so she'd take him up on it. Also as a response to her sharing a spoonful of her parfait with him, which he also realized she was lying about that being normal. And for what it's worth Kuze is one of those male MCs who uses lots of 'big words' as a not-subtle hint from the author he's supposed to be smart. |
Aug 8, 2024 5:55 PM
#69
At this rate Alya is going to get Princess Irulan'd. (I just realized—the movies didn't just ruin Dune; they ruined Dune references. Chani doesn't leave Paul in the book. Curse Zendaya.) I agree with the comments above: This is Yuki's show. I kind of enjoy Masachika as well, but his skills are a little too convenient, and—at this point he's torturing Alya by keeping Yuki's secret that she's his sister. Maybe it's a Japanese thing I wouldn't understand; if not he should just tell her. And that he doesn't tell her he understands what she's saying in Russian; Masachika is a callous guy. Granted, he's in high school, so it's not like anybody involved here has to be mature, but still. I'll keep watching; Alya's Russian lines are still worth it, as are all her interactions with Masachika. But Yuki is the Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother here. |
I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
Aug 8, 2024 6:05 PM
#70
auroraloose said: But Yuki is the Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother here. Irulan was a Bene Gesserit too, so maybe your analogy goes farther than you intended... Haha. The appearance of the kwisatz haderach would make this show much more interesting. |
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Aug 9, 2024 9:18 PM
#71
boldulysses said: Irulan was a Bene Gesserit too, so maybe your analogy goes farther than you intended... Haha. Ah, true, I forgot. Really I wanted to go with a Dune Messiah joke: The Bene Gesserit want Paul to impregnate his sister Alia, meaning they'd completely given up on Irulan having Paul's kids; and of course the sibling incest makes it more relevant to Alya. So I could have said Yuki was Alia, but—since we already have Alya, that's fairly confusing. I thought that might be too obscure though. Anime Alya is not the one of the Knife. |
I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
Aug 10, 2024 7:39 AM
#72
@boldulysses @auroraloose no more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a hero |
Aug 14, 2024 8:53 AM
#73
Episode 7 Masachika knows what he wants to do, but faces a long road ahead to get Alya elevated to president in the next election seeing that her personality isn't exactly conducive to being a leader. Alya is having quite the tough time appealing to the students as being deadpan just isn't doing it. And then Masachika and Masha talk about how hard-working Alya is as Masha totally supports her being president, all while revealing that she's actually older than Alya. Just as things were going well, Sayaka goes spreading rumors that Alya stole Masachika as his runningmate and despite telling the truth, she refuses to believe Masachika and wants to put him in his place. And thus, a student congress challenge has been issued. Seeing that Masachika was dragged into joining the student council that he could go back to his lazy lifestyle, but he really wants Alya to be president, so he's doing all this for Alya. |
Aug 14, 2024 9:04 AM
#74
I really don't know where this show thinks it is going. Alya and Masachika don't seem to give a damn about the positions they are running for, and thus I don't either. We get some clarification on why Masachicka doesn't acknowledge Yuki as his sister publicly, but given that he apparently has little to no respect for his grandfather, it's a pretty weak reason. There's no real tension to the election, and there's no real steam to the romance, and it's not all that funny. If it wasn't for Yuki, I'd give up on this. |
Aug 14, 2024 10:32 AM
#75
SparkyBob said: We get some clarification on why Masachicka doesn't acknowledge Yuki as his sister publicly, but given that he apparently has little to no respect for his grandfather, it's a pretty weak reason. I think what he said to Ayano about "if he has a problem with me, tell him to confront me face to face and leave Yuki alone" gives us the reason he doesn't publicly acknowledge her as his sister. If he did, his grandfather would probably be constantly badmouthing him in front of Yuki, or telling Yuki that she needs to do something to disgrace him. He's doing it so Yuki isn't caught in the middle, not because he wants to honor his grandfather's wish. The part at the end with megane girl doesn't make sense though. "How dare you refuse to be Yuki's running mate...also you don't belong in an election"....so which is it? He should be Yuki's running mate, or he doesn't belong in the election? |
HOOfan_1Aug 14, 2024 10:58 AM
Aug 14, 2024 11:19 AM
#76
I appreciate this show finally getting into some serious stuff but, 1) Alya is becoming a secondary character, and 2) I'm not quite a fan of the 'Souo Family' situation with the High Society Father. No hate on the (Japanese) VA but, I still have criticism towards Masha's voice. I feel her serious convo with Kuze would have felt more emotional if her voice wasn't so distracting. This show seems to be dying to get rid of the 'Russian' concept as it goes on. At this point, I'm watching solely for simping reason xP I don't even know what the story I'm following is anymore aside from the Class Presidential Election thing, which also isn't hitting me much as well and am just reminded of when the characters mention it. On the positive side, this is more of a Yuki and Kuze show now. |
Aug 14, 2024 12:44 PM
#77
SparkyBob said: There's no real tension to the election Yeah, the whole election thing feels like a plot MacGuffin that we're supposed to be feel artificially worked up about. Alya becomes less and less interesting every episode, and even Evil Yuki isn't as compelling if we only see her Machiavellian plotting and not her full range. And yeah, I suppose the answer to "Can this show get enough mileage out of the 'he secretly understands her speaking Russian' setup to sustain 12 episodes?" is "no." |
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Aug 14, 2024 12:46 PM
#78
boldulysses said: And yeah, I suppose the answer to "Can this show get enough mileage out of the 'he secretly understands her speaking Russian' setup to sustain 12 episodes?" is "no." I was hoping eventually Masha would speak Russian to him and she would figure out that he understands it |
Aug 14, 2024 2:26 PM
#79
HOOfan_1 said: They hinted that she knows him- likely teasing that she's the childhood friend- so she should already know by now.I was hoping eventually Masha would speak Russian to him and she would figure out that he understands it But that is indeed a great idea for a climax emotional moment of Masha confirming that her childhood friend is Kuze. Likesay, just as an episode is about to end on a happy note, Masha speaks Russian casually, directly addresing Kuze, then he just happily replies thinking it was Alya. But then he turns, shocked and surprised that it's Masha. Then Masha just says with a smile... "It's been a long while... Kuze." (Sorry for writing a fan-fic. I went to work very early and is all alone and bored xP) |
Aug 14, 2024 3:43 PM
#80
Side note: I've never understood the "I've forgotten what my childhood playmate looks like" trope (see also: Nisekoi). Sure, people change as they grow up, but not unrecognizably so. Only way this would make actual sense is if the protag got a head injury somewhere along the line that caused partial amnesia. But I've never seen that. |
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Aug 14, 2024 4:08 PM
#81
I haven't had to look up so many vocabulary words from a single show in a while dang. And I just noticed Uesaka sings the OP also, besides being in charge of all the EDs. |
Aug 14, 2024 9:44 PM
#82
Episode 7: Irulanization Intensifies I don't think the show necessarily made the wrong choice in revealing the background to Masachika's relationship with his sister piecemeal, or even in holding off on the important aspects we got only now in episode 7. Before this episode it wasn't obvious there had to be anything else still left to be revealed, but at least this extra information makes it at least a little more plausible Masachika might not tell Alya Yuki's his sister. He still should have; she can keep that secret. And it's still cruel to her that he hasn't told her; nothing we've learned in episode 7 changes that. Alya does indeed continue to recede from focus, though at this point she's simply become the locus of Masachika's changing social stance. What will make the difference now is whether she, you know, does anything. As of yet she's been kind of manic pixie dream girlish, just a conceit for another anime. But the pieces are now set for her to change things rather than simply sit there to be gawked at. Ideally though it involves Masachika admitting he understands what she's saying in Russian; I'm envisioning a "There is one Alya, and Masachika is her prophet" thing where she mouths off something hilarious and mocking in Russian at the debate, and Masachika translates it similarly hilariously. If Alya is to have a point, it should heavily involve her Russian asides, so as to justify the show's primary conceit. boldulysses said: Alya becomes less and less interesting every episode, and even Evil Yuki isn't as compelling if we only see her Machiavellian plotting and not her full range. I'm gonna defend Yuki here: She knew she was channeling villain ham, and to truly appreciate it you have to play it straight while you do it. At least, that's how I approach it myself, when I have fun thus. |
I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
Aug 15, 2024 6:06 AM
#83
marklebid said: I haven't had to look up so many vocabulary words from a single show in a while dang. Yeah the creative license taken with the subtitles is really distracting. I assume that's what you're referring to...? auroraloose said: I'm gonna defend Yuki here: She knew she was channeling villain ham, and to truly appreciate it you have to play it straight while you do it. At least, that's how I approach it myself, when I have fun thus. You're not wrong. Yuki seems to be the only one who appreciates the fact that she's a main character in a trashy anime, and she's living it to the hilt. |
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Aug 15, 2024 4:39 PM
#84
Reply to boldulysses
marklebid said:
I haven't had to look up so many vocabulary words from a single show in a while dang.
I haven't had to look up so many vocabulary words from a single show in a while dang.
Yeah the creative license taken with the subtitles is really distracting. I assume that's what you're referring to...?
auroraloose said:
I'm gonna defend Yuki here: She knew she was channeling villain ham, and to truly appreciate it you have to play it straight while you do it. At least, that's how I approach it myself, when I have fun thus.
I'm gonna defend Yuki here: She knew she was channeling villain ham, and to truly appreciate it you have to play it straight while you do it. At least, that's how I approach it myself, when I have fun thus.
You're not wrong. Yuki seems to be the only one who appreciates the fact that she's a main character in a trashy anime, and she's living it to the hilt.
@boldulysses Yeah Alya Sometimes Hides Her Feelings in Russian is doing something strange; it definitely gestures towards being better than it is, and wants Alya to be more important than she is, but as of yet it hasn't at all followed through. This is why I want Alya to manifest some wild Atreides talent and save the thing, and hoping that that's what the show was going for. |
I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
Aug 15, 2024 4:47 PM
#85
Reply to boldulysses
marklebid said:
I haven't had to look up so many vocabulary words from a single show in a while dang.
I haven't had to look up so many vocabulary words from a single show in a while dang.
Yeah the creative license taken with the subtitles is really distracting. I assume that's what you're referring to...?
auroraloose said:
I'm gonna defend Yuki here: She knew she was channeling villain ham, and to truly appreciate it you have to play it straight while you do it. At least, that's how I approach it myself, when I have fun thus.
I'm gonna defend Yuki here: She knew she was channeling villain ham, and to truly appreciate it you have to play it straight while you do it. At least, that's how I approach it myself, when I have fun thus.
You're not wrong. Yuki seems to be the only one who appreciates the fact that she's a main character in a trashy anime, and she's living it to the hilt.
boldulysses said: I've been watching without subtitles because it's too annoying.Yeah the creative license taken with the subtitles is really distracting. I assume that's what you're referring to...? Majority of series I understand everything, maybe sometimes have to rewind a second to relisten. But this author is legitimately using less common words. I appreciate when I get new words from shows, but it's a bit heavy-handed. Not easy to explain but it's like these highschool kids are sounding like post-graduate students. Author definitely wants to send the message, "Yes these people are all supposed to be super smart (most of the time)." Edit: Well, it depends on the show also. Sci-fi shows I basically need subtitles on to sift through the jargon for instance. Slice of life and isekai I leave them on when I'm eating because I can't hear well enough, and I like to make myself look smart by coming here and "but akshawally" adding more context to translations. |
Aug 15, 2024 4:55 PM
#86
The ninja girl *did* actually say Kuze made her womb all aflutter. I wouldn't go as far as the 'sent a shockwave' (that line I just wanted to see how it would be translated, but it wasn't horrendously off except for the intensity). Came so out of left field I doubted what I was hearing, and looked up synonyms for 'shikyuu' to see if it could also mean like heartrate or something. But not in that context no. |
Aug 15, 2024 5:30 PM
#87
auroraloose said: This is why I want Alya to manifest some wild Atreides talent and save the thing, and hoping that that's what the show was going for. Analyzing anime through the lens of the Dune universe is a nice change for you from bringing Nietzsche to bear on everything. ;) Though Dune does have a strong nihilist/fatalist subtext... Alya may manifest as an Atreides yet if she's able to get over herself and attract the loyalty of a good faction of the school. Would Masachika function as her Gurney Halleck in that effort...? marklebid said: I've been watching without subtitles because it's too annoying. I wish I had that option! Maybe the subtitler doesn't know the words either, is too lazy to look them up, and so just fills in whatever he thinks fits, lol. |
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Aug 15, 2024 8:18 PM
#88
Reply to boldulysses
auroraloose said:
This is why I want Alya to manifest some wild Atreides talent and save the thing, and hoping that that's what the show was going for.
This is why I want Alya to manifest some wild Atreides talent and save the thing, and hoping that that's what the show was going for.
Analyzing anime through the lens of the Dune universe is a nice change for you from bringing Nietzsche to bear on everything. ;) Though Dune does have a strong nihilist/fatalist subtext...
Alya may manifest as an Atreides yet if she's able to get over herself and attract the loyalty of a good faction of the school. Would Masachika function as her Gurney Halleck in that effort...?
marklebid said:
I've been watching without subtitles because it's too annoying.
I've been watching without subtitles because it's too annoying.
I wish I had that option! Maybe the subtitler doesn't know the words either, is too lazy to look them up, and so just fills in whatever he thinks fits, lol.
@boldulysses Hey, I've been making Dune jokes since DARLING in the FRANXX and the first season of Rent-A-Girlfriend. I went back and saved all the conversations I had on the CR forums before they died (I must have typed several hundred thousand words), so I have evidence lol. Nietzsche jokes only started with Girlfriend, Girlfriend. And I've only read Thus Spake Zarathustra, so I'm not as good at Nietzsche. So far only Masachika compares to Muad'Dib, and as I've said Alya is going to end up Princess Irulan if she doesn't do something soon. If she does manage to prove herself maybe she could be Siona, who managed to accomplish a little but got forgotten compared to her contemporaneous Duncan Idaho. In which case maybe Masachika is Moneo? |
I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
Aug 15, 2024 8:31 PM
#89
Reply to boldulysses
auroraloose said:
This is why I want Alya to manifest some wild Atreides talent and save the thing, and hoping that that's what the show was going for.
This is why I want Alya to manifest some wild Atreides talent and save the thing, and hoping that that's what the show was going for.
Analyzing anime through the lens of the Dune universe is a nice change for you from bringing Nietzsche to bear on everything. ;) Though Dune does have a strong nihilist/fatalist subtext...
Alya may manifest as an Atreides yet if she's able to get over herself and attract the loyalty of a good faction of the school. Would Masachika function as her Gurney Halleck in that effort...?
marklebid said:
I've been watching without subtitles because it's too annoying.
I've been watching without subtitles because it's too annoying.
I wish I had that option! Maybe the subtitler doesn't know the words either, is too lazy to look them up, and so just fills in whatever he thinks fits, lol.
boldulysses said: The person doing it definitely understands Japanese extremely well, you couldn't do that stuff with a dictionary alone. They understand the context completely, but unfortunately feel the need to go the extra mile and insert their own humor wherever possible in any slightly humorous situation. Maybe the subtitler doesn't know the words either, is too lazy to look them up, and so just fills in whatever he thinks fits, lol. When things are serious they stay serious, but it's like a hyperactive kid desperate for attention at a party. When someone tells a joke this translator tries to speak louder and tell the same joke 'funnier' but just makes everyone think there's something off about them. |
Aug 16, 2024 7:04 AM
#90
auroraloose said: So far only Masachika compares to Muad'Dib, and as I've said Alya is going to end up Princess Irulan if she doesn't do something soon. If she does manage to prove herself maybe she could be Siona, who managed to accomplish a little but got forgotten compared to her contemporaneous Duncan Idaho. In which case maybe Masachika is Moneo? At least Alya has some realistic agency at this point, if she chooses to use it; Irulan was just a pawn in Paul's plan, relatively powerless (although she tried, it was too late and counterproductive). At this point, I'd have to admit I haven't completely read the series! I've stalled out on Children. Messiah was so deliberately arch and obfuscated in its prose that continuing became a slog. I need to get back into it. |
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Aug 17, 2024 6:53 PM
#91
Reply to boldulysses
auroraloose said:
So far only Masachika compares to Muad'Dib, and as I've said Alya is going to end up Princess Irulan if she doesn't do something soon. If she does manage to prove herself maybe she could be Siona, who managed to accomplish a little but got forgotten compared to her contemporaneous Duncan Idaho. In which case maybe Masachika is Moneo?
So far only Masachika compares to Muad'Dib, and as I've said Alya is going to end up Princess Irulan if she doesn't do something soon. If she does manage to prove herself maybe she could be Siona, who managed to accomplish a little but got forgotten compared to her contemporaneous Duncan Idaho. In which case maybe Masachika is Moneo?
At least Alya has some realistic agency at this point, if she chooses to use it; Irulan was just a pawn in Paul's plan, relatively powerless (although she tried, it was too late and counterproductive).
At this point, I'd have to admit I haven't completely read the series! I've stalled out on Children. Messiah was so deliberately arch and obfuscated in its prose that continuing became a slog. I need to get back into it.
boldulysses said: At this point, I'd have to admit I haven't completely read the series! I've stalled out on Children. Messiah was so deliberately arch and obfuscated in its prose that continuing became a slog. I need to get back into it I've actually only read the first book; for the rest I've listened to the audiobooks. It's actually not that difficult to follow in audio form, though I might be used to it as I listen to lots of audiobooks and tend to push the listenable. My impressions are thus:
As for Alya, it's definitely true she has more of a chance of having Masachika's kids than Irulan did with Muad'Dib. What I mentioned about Siona and Duncan is in God Emperor of Dune (and doesn't really spoil anything). I imagine Alya will indeed finally manage to do something next episode, though I'm worried even then what she does will only work because of Masachika. |
I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
Aug 18, 2024 5:28 PM
#92
auroraloose said: I've actually only read the first book; for the rest I've listened to the audiobooks. It's actually not that difficult to follow in audio form, though I might be used to it as I listen to lots of audiobooks and tend to push the listenable. My impressions are thus: Dune Messiah is close enough to the first book that I think of them as one story. Children of Dune, was fun, but I feel like it existed more to continue the story rather than to say anything particularly interesting. It is also long. Chapterhouse Dune was the same (though shorter I think). God Emperor of Dune is good, and hilarious. Getting through Children of Dune is worth it just to hear God Emperor Leto II trash talk the whole universe. Heretics of Dune builds to a perfect ending. I'd have been happy if the whole thing ended there, it was that good. Chapterhouse really only had one idea beyond Heretics, and it wasn't much of an addition. I might have to try listening to it. My main challenge is that most characters' action, dialogue and thoughts (as related by Herbert) seem to intersect at oblique angles, so to speak, in a way that makes seem like there's a massive implied subtext that I'm missing. They're all playing 17-dimensional chess, thinking 5 moves ahead, and it's challenging enough for me to keep up with a single character strategizing that far in advance. But that's probably just a "me issue," lol. Hearing it may cast it in a different light; who knows. Heretics is a Brian Herbert book, right? My plan was to stop after finishing Frank's five books, but if Heretics wraps up a particular storyline, I might have to do that also. auroraloose said: I imagine Alya will indeed finally manage to do something next episode, though I'm worried even then what she does will only work because of Masachika. At this point, the most complimentary thing I can about Alya is that at least she's not an MPDG. But it must suck getting upstaged by literally every other girl in a show with your name on it. |
boldulyssesAug 18, 2024 7:18 PM
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Aug 18, 2024 6:47 PM
#93
boldulysses said: Heretics is a Brian Herbert book, right Unpopular opinion, but I liked House Atreides, House Harkonnen and House Corrino |
Aug 18, 2024 8:43 PM
#94
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auroraloose said:
I've actually only read the first book; for the rest I've listened to the audiobooks. It's actually not that difficult to follow in audio form, though I might be used to it as I listen to lots of audiobooks and tend to push the listenable. My impressions are thus:
Dune Messiah is close enough to the first book that I think of them as one story.
Children of Dune, was fun, but I feel like it existed more to continue the story rather than to say anything particularly interesting. It is also long. Chapterhouse Dune was the same (though shorter I think).
God Emperor of Dune is good, and hilarious. Getting through Children of Dune is worth it just to hear God Emperor Leto II trash talk the whole universe.
Heretics of Dune builds to a perfect ending. I'd have been happy if the whole thing ended there, it was that good. Chapterhouse really only had one idea beyond Heretics, and it wasn't much of an addition.
I've actually only read the first book; for the rest I've listened to the audiobooks. It's actually not that difficult to follow in audio form, though I might be used to it as I listen to lots of audiobooks and tend to push the listenable. My impressions are thus:
Dune Messiah is close enough to the first book that I think of them as one story.
Children of Dune, was fun, but I feel like it existed more to continue the story rather than to say anything particularly interesting. It is also long. Chapterhouse Dune was the same (though shorter I think).
God Emperor of Dune is good, and hilarious. Getting through Children of Dune is worth it just to hear God Emperor Leto II trash talk the whole universe.
Heretics of Dune builds to a perfect ending. I'd have been happy if the whole thing ended there, it was that good. Chapterhouse really only had one idea beyond Heretics, and it wasn't much of an addition.
I might have to try listening to it. My main challenge is that most characters' action, dialogue and thoughts (as related by Herbert) seem to intersect at oblique angles, so to speak, in a way that makes seem like there's a massive implied subtext that I'm missing. They're all playing 17-dimensional chess, thinking 5 moves ahead, and it's challenging enough for me to keep up with a single character strategizing that far in advance. But that's probably just a "me issue," lol. Hearing it may cast it in a different light; who knows.
Heretics is a Brian Herbert book, right? My plan was to stop after finishing Frank's five books, but if Heretics wraps up a particular storyline, I might have to do that also.
auroraloose said:
I imagine Alya will indeed finally manage to do something next episode, though I'm worried even then what she does will only work because of Masachika.
I imagine Alya will indeed finally manage to do something next episode, though I'm worried even then what she does will only work because of Masachika.
At this point, the most complimentary thing I can about Alya is that at least she's not an MPDG. But it must suck getting upstaged by literally every other girl in a show with your name on it.
boldulysses said: Heretics is a Brian Herbert book, right? It isn't, actually. All six of the books I listed were written by Frank Herbert. Heretics is the fifth book, after God Emperor of Dune, and Chapterhouse Dune, the last Dune book Frank Herbert wrote, us the sixth book. Frank Herbert wrote six Dune books, not five. HOOfan_1 said: Unpopular opinion, but I liked House Atreides, House Harkonnen and House Corrino I just recently finished listening to Hunters of Dune and am in the middle of Sandworms of Dune now. I do like hearing how the story was supposed to end, but it's obvious these are a step down from Frank Herbert's books. And they're not really about anything at all other than the plot. I could see the prequel books being better, though, since presumably Brian and Kevin had more freedom to make the stories their own. |
I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
Aug 19, 2024 6:34 AM
#95
auroraloose said: It isn't, actually. All six of the books I listed were written by Frank Herbert. Heretics is the fifth book, after God Emperor of Dune, and Chapterhouse Dune, the last Dune book Frank Herbert wrote, us the sixth book. Frank Herbert wrote six Dune books, not five. You're right, of course. I guess I could have glanced at my bookshelves before I commented! Lol. |
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Aug 19, 2024 3:51 PM
#96
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auroraloose said:
It isn't, actually. All six of the books I listed were written by Frank Herbert. Heretics is the fifth book, after God Emperor of Dune, and Chapterhouse Dune, the last Dune book Frank Herbert wrote, us the sixth book. Frank Herbert wrote six Dune books, not five.
It isn't, actually. All six of the books I listed were written by Frank Herbert. Heretics is the fifth book, after God Emperor of Dune, and Chapterhouse Dune, the last Dune book Frank Herbert wrote, us the sixth book. Frank Herbert wrote six Dune books, not five.
You're right, of course. I guess I could have glanced at my bookshelves before I commented! Lol.
Nah, it's fine; it's easy to get confused, and really I just wanted to make sure you wouldn't discount Heretics as not Frank Herbert. Meanwhile the thread has become Alya Sometimes Gets Overshadowed by Dune. |
I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favour and who then asks: Am I then a cheat? – for he wants to perish. |
Aug 19, 2024 4:10 PM
#97
auroraloose said: Nah, it's fine; it's easy to get confused, and really I just wanted to make sure you wouldn't discount Heretics as not Frank Herbert. Well sometime between now (2/3 way through Children) and when it came time to start Heretics, I would hope that I would stare up at my bookshelf and realize it's the last tome in the six-book set I got a couple of Christmases ago, lol. It's going to be a little while, though, I'm working my way through Robert J. Sawyer book at the moment, and want to knock out something theological after that... We'll see. Meanwhile the thread has become Alya Sometimes Gets Overshadowed by Dune. It just occurred to me that it Alya's & Yuki's personalities were switched, the Alia jokes would write themselves... And in the interest of providing a new talking point, does the name "Masachika" sound vaguely Russian to anyone? Plot twist in the offing? |
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Aug 19, 2024 4:18 PM
#98
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auroraloose said:
Nah, it's fine; it's easy to get confused, and really I just wanted to make sure you wouldn't discount Heretics as not Frank Herbert.
Nah, it's fine; it's easy to get confused, and really I just wanted to make sure you wouldn't discount Heretics as not Frank Herbert.
Well sometime between now (2/3 way through Children) and when it came time to start Heretics, I would hope that I would stare up at my bookshelf and realize it's the last tome in the six-book set I got a couple of Christmases ago, lol. It's going to be a little while, though, I'm working my way through Robert J. Sawyer book at the moment, and want to knock out something theological after that... We'll see.
Meanwhile the thread has become Alya Sometimes Gets Overshadowed by Dune.
It just occurred to me that it Alya's & Yuki's personalities were switched, the Alia jokes would write themselves...
And in the interest of providing a new talking point, does the name "Masachika" sound vaguely Russian to anyone? Plot twist in the offing?
boldulysses said: Yes very unusual sounding.And in the interest of providing a new talking point, does the name "Masachika" sound vaguely Russian to anyone? Plot twist in the offing? However, it *is* a real Japanese name. Though googling seems to prefer it as a given rather than family name. |
Aug 21, 2024 8:25 AM
#99
Episode 8 And now, the campaigning begins, starting with the student congress challenge as Alya and Masachika have been challenged by Sayaka and her running mate Nonoa. Before Alya gives her speech, Masachika lightens the mood telling Alya about her bra size, among other things. This becomes quite heated as Sayaka is focused on attacking Masachika, all while Alya starts to lose her composure. But Masachika takes over and mentions the current president Kenzaki and uses that to paint a picture of himself in that light. In the end, Nonoa admits defeat as Sayaka runs away after Masachika totally overwhelms her, but Alya didn't exactly like the fact that Sayaka didn't give it her all and just ran away. After that, Masachika now admits that he's going through with being Alya's VP because he wants to and not because he wants to manipulate things from the shadows as he did initially. That was a great performance by Masachika there going to show that he's all-in with Alya. |
Aug 21, 2024 9:53 AM
#100
Yep; Masachika swoops in to save the day. Mostly. I'm so uninterested in the student council election situation. I was jokingly hoping the "student congress" thing was going to be an old-fashioned schoolyard throwdown by the flagpole, but it was a boring ol' debate. It's a shame Yuki, up in the soundbooth, didn't pull a shenanigan or two with the sound/lighting. Her scene up there had strong Satsuki Kiriyuin vibes, right down to the teacup. I'm also a little fuzzy on why Sayaka felt "betrayed." Masachika basically didn't even know she existed, so there's no way he would have run with her, and she already lost to the Masachika + Yuki combo in middle school, so if I were her, I'd be relieved they weren't running together again. Sure, Alya has an aura about her as far as the students are concerned, but is pretty socially inept otherwise. I dunno. Also also, why didn't Alya ask Masachika "What's the source of your guilt?" It's that Japanese "just let them work it out on their own / they'll tell me when they're ready" posture that really bugs me... What's this week's ED from? |
boldulyssesAug 21, 2024 9:58 AM
Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
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