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Jan 28, 2024 5:20 PM
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@runec Are we sure he's a eunuch?
@Xuhybrid No we're not. It's only Maomao thinking he's a eunuch. Jinshii is an intact male OR a female. I can see it going both ways. Just waiting for the next episode.
Feb 3, 2024 11:11 AM

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Episode 17

Jinshi sure has transformed as he's barely recognizable after the makeover he got. Maomao also dolls up as the two are going into town, but don't want to be recognized. They go out and about doing stuff they otherwise wouldn't get to do like chow down on skewers. This episode is all about gaining perspective for Maomao seeing that she hasn't been able to experience anything outside the palace. Looks like something big is about to be revealed next time as it focuses on Lakan.
Feb 3, 2024 3:12 PM

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Of course, now it makes sense. Jinshi wanted makeup to hide his natural beautiful appearance, similar to how Maomao adds freckles to her own face. But Suiren ropes Maomao into putting on makeup herself so she could accompany Jinshi. Then Jinshi asks Maomao Lakan's question about how to decrease a courtesan's value, and Maomao's answer is removing her chastity, with a pregnancy being the extreme.

Did Lakan really force himself on the courtesan he had his eyes on years ago, as he admitted he had an urge to do?
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Feb 3, 2024 5:23 PM

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@Xuhybrid No we're not. It's only Maomao thinking he's a eunuch. Jinshii is an intact male OR a female. I can see it going both ways. Just waiting for the next episode.
@Gafennec I think we can rule out female with that body. Unless he's intersexed.

Dude's pretty built for a eunuch though.

As a random aside, in Imperial China eunuchs lost both the bait and the tackle.



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Actually, I don't believe he's a eunuch, either. Jinshi mentioned something about "camp," as in "military camp," which implies he was a soldier sometime in the past. Would there be any grounds for a soldier to get castrated?
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Feb 3, 2024 6:36 PM
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Ok now I'm here too.

To me, it's pretty clear Jinshi isn't a eunuch. He's just posing as such otherwise it would look bad having him oversee the harem.

My takeaway theories from the series so far:

Feb 3, 2024 8:07 PM
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@Gafennec I think we can rule out female with that body. Unless he's intersexed.

Dude's pretty built for a eunuch though.

As a random aside, in Imperial China eunuchs lost both the bait and the tackle.



runec said:
@Gafennec I think we can rule out female with that body. Unless he's intersexed.


Well, yeah,, we learned that This episode. Up to then it was kinda ambiguous. RE: Chinese Enuchs...I don't think I needed to know that. :)
Feb 10, 2024 11:10 AM

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Episode 18

Maomao takes some time off and returns home, all while running some errands as her work as an apothecary still continues. She has a bath with Meimei, and then while waiting for medicine she meets up with Suirei, and somethings off about her. And then Lakan drops by to see Jinshi, who reveals that Lakan is Maomao's biological father. Lakan is somebody Maomao wants to avoid meeting at all costs as she has some pretty bad memories with him. Then she meets Suirei in the herb garden, who is apparently harvesting herbs to revive somebody, which of course isn't real. This episodes certainly left some ominous vibes, between Jinshi finding out that Lakan is Maomao's father and Suirei's appearance at the garden.
Feb 10, 2024 11:34 AM

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Egad, that was quite the revelation. Lakan is Maomao's biological father, and she doesn't want anything to do with him. Looks like Maomao was actually speaking from personal experience regarding that question Jinshi asked her.

Wait, then could that mean that one courtesan with syphilis at the Verdigris House is her mother?
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Feb 10, 2024 2:49 PM
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Morning-glories are poisonous.
Feb 10, 2024 6:06 PM

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Well, that was certainly some revelations.

That face Maomao made though. Yikes. She must be fully aware of her lineage.
Feb 10, 2024 7:08 PM

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Yup, that's kind of what I was expecting from the hints they were dropping.
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Feb 10, 2024 7:54 PM

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Well, that was certainly some revelations.

That face Maomao made though. Yikes. She must be fully aware of her lineage.
@runec That or she misunderstands why Lakan has been trying to buy her from the old lady.
Feb 11, 2024 3:20 AM

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Damn... Even if he is her father it's more than a little creepy for him to be trying to buy her from Jinshi.

Feb 11, 2024 5:22 PM

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Morning-glories are poisonous.
@marklebid That's what I was thinking, I was expecting Maomao to say the same thing.

So was the woman with Syphilis supposed to be Maomao's mom? They showed the flashback with what appeared to be her trying to stab a baby Maomao, but I am pretty sure syphilis would be transmitted to a baby.
Feb 11, 2024 8:17 PM

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The meeting every few weeks, vegetarian meals (ritual) and the preview for the next episode has me worried that Jinshi is about to become a eunuch. I guess it also can also be an arranged marriage, becoming clergy or something else.

It made me remember the meeting he had with the emperor who mentioned that Jinshi was tending his "garden". Jinshi thought he didn't have much choice, but it didn't matter because he would do anything to get what he wanted.
Feb 11, 2024 11:33 PM

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@marklebid That's what I was thinking, I was expecting Maomao to say the same thing.

So was the woman with Syphilis supposed to be Maomao's mom? They showed the flashback with what appeared to be her trying to stab a baby Maomao, but I am pretty sure syphilis would be transmitted to a baby.
@HOOfan_1 Yeah, it would be. You'd think her bio dad would have it too. Though it can sit dormant for years.
Feb 12, 2024 7:36 AM

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@HOOfan_1 Yeah, it would be. You'd think her bio dad would have it too. Though it can sit dormant for years.
@runec From what I could understand she didn't do sex work until after Lakan "lowered her value". So the Syphilis likely came later.

Feb 12, 2024 10:03 AM

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@runec From what I could understand she didn't do sex work until after Lakan "lowered her value". So the Syphilis likely came later.

@Greylurker that would kind of imply that either Lakan raped her, or he promised to buy her away from there and convinced her to have sex with him and then went back on it.
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@Greylurker that would kind of imply that either Lakan raped her, or he promised to buy her away from there and convinced her to have sex with him and then went back on it.
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at would kind of imply that either Lakan raped her, or he promised to buy her away from there and convinced her to have sex with him and then went back on it.


Given what we know of his character that's what I'd put money on.
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@Greylurker that would kind of imply that either Lakan raped her, or he promised to buy her away from there and convinced her to have sex with him and then went back on it.
@HOOfan_1 Given what we've been told about how intelligent she was, how many people were trying to buy her and that he was trying to buy her himself I'd say it's far more likely to be the first one.
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Feb 17, 2024 11:08 AM

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Episode 19

It's back to that warehouse that caught fire awhile back as somebody broke into it. And then Maomao tries to connect the dots with everything that happened recently from the pipe to the food poisoning, and then she gets the layout of the ceremonial palace that's the missing piece. After figuring out that altar was tampered with and an accident is waiting to happen at the ceremony, she rushes over and is met by a guard who is working in cahoots with the culprit. But thanks to Lakan's arrival, Maomao makes it just in time to stop Jinshi from getting crushed. But in saving Jinshi, she suffers a nasty wound on her leg. There's a lot of plotting and scheming going on here and while these incidents appear to be coincidental, Maomao knew that there was a greater conspiracy. But in the meantime, Maomao is not doing so well as after suffering a wound like that, a number of people would have their leg amputated, but it looks like she will be back on her feet fairly quickly.
Feb 17, 2024 11:26 AM

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Holy cow, everything's all connected! The warehouse fire, Kounen's death, the guy who got poisoned by seaweed, and the case of the metalworker's will all led to tampering with a ceremony and a possible attempt on a noble's life during said ceremony. Of all people to help Maomao prevent a grave incident from happening, it had to be Lakan. And the noble she saved happened to be Jinshi, but she suffered a severe gash on her leg in the process.
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Feb 17, 2024 12:31 PM

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That escalated quickly.
Feb 17, 2024 2:02 PM
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I just wish I skipped the preview for next week. Bit of a spoiler on Maomao's fate.
Feb 17, 2024 3:19 PM

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I just wish I skipped the preview for next week. Bit of a spoiler on Maomao's fate.
@Gafennec Seeing that she's the MC and there would be no Apothecary Diaries without her, not to mention the show has only barely scratched the surface, of course there's no way she would be down and out.
Feb 17, 2024 6:24 PM
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@Gafennec Seeing that she's the MC and there would be no Apothecary Diaries without her, not to mention the show has only barely scratched the surface, of course there's no way she would be down and out.
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@Gafennec Seeing that she's the MC and there would be no Apothecary Diaries without her, not to mention the show has only barely scratched the surface, of course there's no way she would be down and out.


Of course. But the duration she would be out could have been expended into the 1st half of the 2nd episode following this one. I know MC's have plot armour, but to show here in that shape at the end and then running around fine in the next episode (unless they add time (months?) to the start of the next show) then it will be ridiiculous. Yes, I know it's just a TV show, but let's be constant can we?
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GridironOtaku said:
@Gafennec Seeing that she's the MC and there would be no Apothecary Diaries without her, not to mention the show has only barely scratched the surface, of course there's no way she would be down and out.


Of course. But the duration she would be out could have been expended into the 1st half of the 2nd episode following this one. I know MC's have plot armour, but to show here in that shape at the end and then running around fine in the next episode (unless they add time (months?) to the start of the next show) then it will be ridiiculous. Yes, I know it's just a TV show, but let's be constant can we?
@Gafennec Honestly, she should have some facial/jaw fractures. It's not like she was merely slapped. She got straight up clubbed and she only weighs like 90lbs.
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@Gafennec Honestly, she should have some facial/jaw fractures. It's not like she was merely slapped. She got straight up clubbed and she only weighs like 90lbs.


@Runec Agreed. I would also think she should have a leg fracture as well. Even if it was only a deep laceration then she'd not be up and running around for several weeks.
Feb 18, 2024 7:09 AM

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That was the most convoluted plot to try and maybe kill someone. How could you possibly know who would be performing the ceremony when the beam fell. Of all the hours that the building is not even in use and the beam just happens to fall during a ceremony...

I mean it's been obvious since basically the beginning, but this proves Jinshi isn't a eunuch

I wonder if the guy who hit Maomao is already dead in a ditch somewhere
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It seems to have been lead was used to hold up the pillar, so when the room got warmer from all the candles and shiz ... it melted? Or something?
Feb 18, 2024 10:32 AM

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It seems to have been lead was used to hold up the pillar, so when the room got warmer from all the candles and shiz ... it melted? Or something?
@marklebid Lead melts at like 600F 327C...I think everyone in the room would be cooked

Gallium has a melting point of 86F/30C
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@marklebid Lead melts at like 600F 327C...I think everyone in the room would be cooked

Gallium has a melting point of 86F/30C
@HOOfan_1 Pfft, this story is fiction any resemblance to real life blahblah. :P

Remember how the lead melted into a key mold because a magnifying glass was shined on it?
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That was the most convoluted plot to try and maybe kill someone. How could you possibly know who would be performing the ceremony when the beam fell. Of all the hours that the building is not even in use and the beam just happens to fall during a ceremony...

I mean it's been obvious since basically the beginning, but this proves Jinshi isn't a eunuch

I wonder if the guy who hit Maomao is already dead in a ditch somewhere
@HOOfan_1 Yeah, I'm actually kind of disappointed with this episode. The whole supposed evil plot here is so convoluted and relies entirely on pure chance.
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The metal the key was made out of wasn't pure lead. It was a mix of materials that made the melting point much lower. Also that beam being raised and lowered during ceremonies would create extra stress--and possibly change where major stress points are--and make it more likely to fall during that time.

They pretty much explained that whoever was behind this is using a shotgun approach. They weren't trying to set up any one specific thing in particular they were basically trying to set up a wide array of different possible scenarios in the hope that one of them would work out.
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The metal the key was made out of wasn't pure lead. It was a mix of materials that made the melting point much lower. Also that beam being raised and lowered during ceremonies would create extra stress--and possibly change where major stress points are--and make it more likely to fall during that time.

They pretty much explained that whoever was behind this is using a shotgun approach. They weren't trying to set up any one specific thing in particular they were basically trying to set up a wide array of different possible scenarios in the hope that one of them would work out.
@zkeleton I caught the shotgun approach thing but honestly I didn't think it was a great explanation. Dropping the pillar on him should realistically have almost no chance of working. Of course it did work because the plot said so. But there would be no way to time when the pillar would finally give way.

The warehouse one is completely inexplicable. She gifted the guard a pipe and then just bet that he would immediately use it in a warehouse causing an explosion giving her cover to steal the ceremonial tools?

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@zkeleton I caught the shotgun approach thing but honestly I didn't think it was a great explanation. Dropping the pillar on him should realistically have almost no chance of working. Of course it did work because the plot said so. But there would be no way to time when the pillar would finally give way.

The warehouse one is completely inexplicable. She gifted the guard a pipe and then just bet that he would immediately use it in a warehouse causing an explosion giving her cover to steal the ceremonial tools?

@runec Hopefully they explain a bit next episode but it seemed like the supports for the pillar were switched out with a low melting point metal. That was somehow just right to soften when lowered near a bunch of ceremonial candles and fire.
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How did I miss this show? I love plants, smart girls AND freckles! Anyway binged it all this weekend, and wow what a way to tie every seemingly random plot until now together! This show is genius. Also yeah wish the next ep preview hadn't spoiled things. The way Jinshi was carrying Maomao, he wasn't in a hurry and just letting her bleed out, you'd think she was dead.
Also yeah I think it was pretty obvious the alloy the brothers made was weakened by the heat of the candles only lit during this particular ceremony. Remember who wanted help to figure out the alloy for the brothers, Lakan. And it didn't have to melt just weaken enough to no longer be able to hold up the heavy beam, which would crush whoever was performing the ceremony, and Lakan knew who would be performing it. Remember when Jinshi said "darn he figured out who I really am"? I wonder if the shocked look on his face was because he lived or Maomao looked like she didn't, I will guess the latter as I think the plot was to get Mao mao as from the brothel incident it seems like he has been after her a while.
Shocking MaoMao took that shot to the face, yeah for such a small girl she should at the least be unconscious, at worst a broken neck (or even decapitated).
After binging the whole show I can't believe the last new ep is a cliffhanger, what bad timing. :(
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Ok now I'm here too.

To me, it's pretty clear Jinshi isn't a eunuch. He's just posing as such otherwise it would look bad having him oversee the harem.

My takeaway theories from the series so far:

@marklebid

Looks like his real official duty is religious ceremonies. So he has to stay "pure"?
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@marklebid

Looks like his real official duty is religious ceremonies. So he has to stay "pure"?
@MenchiK1 He only started doing the purification ceremonies regularly fairly recently. Some kind of thing is going on.
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Episode 20

Maomao was so excited about the developments in this case that she forgot that she suffered a nasty gash in her leg. But she was able to connect the dots and realize that Suirei was the one responsible for this conspiracy, and she's laughing it off. Suirei ended up committing suicide, or at least that what it looked like as she used thornapple, which can be used as either an anasthetic or a poison, to fake her death and used the corpse of somebody else in her place. She would have gotten away with it had she burnt it, but Maomao caught on before that could happen.
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Suirei is evidently responsible for the conspiracy, and she faked her death to elude capture. Maomao managed to uncover the truth about how she escaped before the evidence could be destroyed, but her maniacal laughter makes me think she's found a foil to herself, like Moriarty is to Holmes. But for now, Maomao is headed back to the rear palace, as Gyokuyou might be pregnant again. And now we have concrete proof that Jinshi is not a eunuch, as he's been taking a drug that suppresses his manhood. Plus, one of the three major Verdigris courtesans might be bought out, and Lihaku's worried it might be Pairin.
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Ahh, so he is chemically castrated. Needs to take regular weiner poison. Gotta keep the Jinshi x Maomao ship open.

I still think this entire evil plan is too far fetched. It requires too many things to go right.

I only just learned that Mao is Chinese for cat so her nickname is literally Cat Cat. Hence the cat ears. How I did not notice that sooner I don't know.
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Ahh, so he is chemically castrated. Needs to take regular weiner poison. Gotta keep the Jinshi x Maomao ship open.

I still think this entire evil plan is too far fetched. It requires too many things to go right.

I only just learned that Mao is Chinese for cat so her nickname is literally Cat Cat. Hence the cat ears. How I did not notice that sooner I don't know.
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so he is chemically castrated. Needs to take regular weiner poison


For what purpose though? The emperor asked him to keep an eye on the rear palace, so I assume the emperor knows he still has his balls and trusts him not to screw his harem. So why does he need to suppress anything. It's not like he will pitch an obvious tent in those baggy clothes
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runec said:
so he is chemically castrated. Needs to take regular weiner poison


For what purpose though? The emperor asked him to keep an eye on the rear palace, so I assume the emperor knows he still has his balls and trusts him not to screw his harem. So why does he need to suppress anything. It's not like he will pitch an obvious tent in those baggy clothes
@HOOfan_1 Maybe he has equipment of considerable size and visible boners are a threat even with baggy clothes.

It is odd though yes. Either the emperor doesn't trust him *that* much or there is some sort of routine boner exam he has to pass.
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@HOOfan_1 Maybe he has equipment of considerable size and visible boners are a threat even with baggy clothes.

It is odd though yes. Either the emperor doesn't trust him *that* much or there is some sort of routine boner exam he has to pass.
@runec It's to kill his sex drive I think. A eunuch looking at a consort's boobs instead of her face would be a giveaway. Plus the lonely ones keep trying to seduce him even when they think he doesn't have anything down there.
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@runec It's to kill his sex drive I think. A eunuch looking at a consort's boobs instead of her face would be a giveaway. Plus the lonely ones keep trying to seduce him even when they think he doesn't have anything down there.
@marklebid I can tell you from experience that having no sex drive does not reduce the stare at boobs impulse. Men spend most of their teenage years training their eyes to immediately seek out anything remotely boob shaped. It would take more than no sex drive to deprogram that.

It's a sad state of affairs but we do it to ourselves. I imagine the current generation is even worse as they have practically limitless porn at their fingertips at all times. At least when I was a teenager there was only dial up so you had to wait for the boobs to download. The concept of actual porn video was non-existent on the internet in my time. Which I think was for the best for my teenage brain.
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@marklebid I can tell you from experience that having no sex drive does not reduce the stare at boobs impulse. Men spend most of their teenage years training their eyes to immediately seek out anything remotely boob shaped. It would take more than no sex drive to deprogram that.

It's a sad state of affairs but we do it to ourselves. I imagine the current generation is even worse as they have practically limitless porn at their fingertips at all times. At least when I was a teenager there was only dial up so you had to wait for the boobs to download. The concept of actual porn video was non-existent on the internet in my time. Which I think was for the best for my teenage brain.
@runec "Waiting for the boobs to download" bruh, don't remind me lol.
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Well that was too short. Seemed like they were a little too unconcerned with the plot and murders that happened during it and were too quick to dismiss Surei as behind it all when she obviously had to have help.
And Jinshi sure is still muscular and ripped for taking something that is suppressing his maleness. o_0 Playing the role of a eunuch, he can seemingly end whenever he wants. What I don't get is he was switched at birth right? So he is the current emperor's half brother or son? I kind of last track. I know he's the one concubine's son but got switched with the dead one who her maid fed honey to and accidentally killed.
Obviously it's a romance (eventually?) between Maomao and Jinshi but there also seems to be some other future plot that the groundwork is being laid for (just like the current one) can't figure out what it would be though it's obvious someone wants Jinshi dead for some reason. Weird they were'n't even speculating why someone would try to kill him and what they would gain, unless they already know. (though it would have been nice for the audience).
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@marklebid I can tell you from experience that having no sex drive does not reduce the stare at boobs impulse. Men spend most of their teenage years training their eyes to immediately seek out anything remotely boob shaped. It would take more than no sex drive to deprogram that.

It's a sad state of affairs but we do it to ourselves. I imagine the current generation is even worse as they have practically limitless porn at their fingertips at all times. At least when I was a teenager there was only dial up so you had to wait for the boobs to download. The concept of actual porn video was non-existent on the internet in my time. Which I think was for the best for my teenage brain.
@runec

Ha you youngsters, all I had was soft core Cinemax. I guess I could have snuck my dad's vhs tapes but never had the guts to try. Do still remember the early internet days though, nothing worse than being able to dowwnload parts 1/3 and 2/3 but not being able to find file 3/3 to complete the pic/video on the old news groups lol.
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