Soren said: Yeah, you raise a good point on his transparency being not entirely game related (especially since he's mostly answering questions instead of, y'know. Asking them) but it's still enough for a decent early game townread.Crossbell said: I can see your town reads except for the jack one. I'm not sold on town!jack just yet.I'm really tempted to townread SoulEaterQUEEN, Jackrito, and Bee-Boy all at once. I hope they're all town. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: I would say he gets town rep, because sightless is one of those lynchs where you will not be blamed if he turns bad and it will be more, blamed on Sightless playstyle. People will like the way that he is proactive in scumhunting and had clear ideas even if wrong as well . As scum they are little negatives in lynching Sightless espically if he has a good role. But you don't touch on the point on reasons/conviction for a lynch to go through. SightlessReality is a poor choice when it comes to develop a strong reason/conviction to lynch him. So with this new point, why would it be that he would gain town rep from this? The way these games have been going lately, townies can just mislynch freely and get no blame put on them because we blame people for townshaming more now. I feel scum are starting to realise as long as you put some reasoning down on why this is the best lynch at time. You will not be blamed for it and get townread instead for been proactive. You don't need as strong reasons to be town read as it used to be sadly. I also don't read conviction as a town move this early either since it is impossible to be sure, so as I said imo a sightless lynch is a good way to appear like you are scumhunting and trying to help town and not be blamed when it backfires. It is very low risk and gets a lot of reward from a scum point of view. |
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Soren said: Anyone else getting the feeling that Shinichi-Kun is defending jack? Uhm i defend everyone day 1 lol, since when do u use my play style against me? Bee-Boy said: Shinichi defending Jack so early is also weird because I think everyone should just be left to do there own thing early on since it messes with the town. I do this every game though its nothing new Crossbell said: I'm really tempted to townread SoulEaterQUEEN, Jackrito, and Bee-Boy all at once. I hope they're all town. Only been 2 hours how can u have 3 town reads in my opinion. SoulEaterQUEEN said: Answering this may slightly ruin my plans, but I am trying to break him out of his usual "mold", otherwise he will become bit of a challenge to read later in the game. Though his increased activity in this D1 intrigues me a little inside. Why you trying to break someone out of their usual style Also is it me or are people getting town reads way to fast over the slighest of stuff. |
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Jackrito said: Soren said: I've seen you tell your scum buddies that in a game I co-hosted before. But I'm pretty sure that you've been evolving your playstyle a little recently :p It is more my town side I have been evolving lately, I have a lot of faith in the scum side of my game and even if I did not that is a vital part I feel. SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: It is more my town side I have been evolving lately, I have a lot of faith in the scum side of my game and even if I did not that is a vital part I feel. Would you say you feel the most confidence in your scum game vs town game then? Jackrito said: Soren said: This sounds too vague to me and doesn't tell me what you think of her alignment from it. So I'll rephrase my question, what does soul's pressuring of you tell you about her alignment? I would say it is a town move, I'm a hard person to lynch so not really someone scum would target day one, and she knows that I work best under pressure since it makes me more active. I feel they is other reasons behind this as well. SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: I would say it is a town move, I'm a hard person to lynch so not really someone scum would target day one, and she knows that I work best under pressure since it makes me more active. I feel they is other reasons behind this as well. Oh this confidence! Jackrito said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Would you say you feel the most confidence in your scum game vs town game then? Yes I would consider it the best side of my game, because I have more of a talent for deception then investigation. So this is why lately I have been trying to improve my town side a lot more since it annoys me how bad I can be. |
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Crossbell said: Soren said: Yeah, you raise a good point on his transparency being not entirely game related (especially since he's mostly answering questions instead of, y'know. Asking them) but it's still enough for a decent early game townread.I can see your town reads except for the jack one. I'm not sold on town!jack just yet. Not much to ask when I'm been the one asked so much at the present, I would also say I questioned Soren on his vote and bee-boy on thier views of Bio and Queen. I don't like been townread so freely though since I always see it as attempt to buddy up but I know it is your style to town read people early so less worried about it. |
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Jackrito said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: But you don't touch on the point on reasons/conviction for a lynch to go through. SightlessReality is a poor choice when it comes to develop a strong reason/conviction to lynch him. So with this new point, why would it be that he would gain town rep from this? The way these games have been going lately, townies can just mislynch freely and get no blame put on them because we blame people for townshaming more now. I feel scum are starting to realise as long as you put some reasoning down on why this is the best lynch at time. You will not be blamed for it and get townread instead for been proactive. You don't need as strong reasons to be town read as it used to be sadly. I also don't read conviction as a town move this early either since it is impossible to be sure, so as I said imo a sightless lynch is a good way to appear like you are scumhunting and trying to help town and not be blamed when it backfires. It is very low risk and gets a lot of reward from a scum point of view. @bold Jack bring's up a good point here, cause I don't think the aggresive questioning that alice and bee boy has anything to do with them being protown. I feel as though the sightless lynch is an easy train for scum to hide on, but i can't see sorens vote being sheeped. @Bold2 That's what I'm saying like what happened to people building cases on their reads instead of just saying oh this guy is town and oh that guy is scum. |
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Shinichi-kun said: I dislike to brag, but I consider one of my skills to be clearing townies with decent accuracy rates (It didn't work in Tsundere Madness because PentaFlare and Zuhra were playing good games, but check out Shounen Crossover where after the Claire lynch I cleared townies as town)Only been 2 hours how can u have 3 town reads in my opinion. |
Jackrito said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: But you don't touch on the point on reasons/conviction for a lynch to go through. SightlessReality is a poor choice when it comes to develop a strong reason/conviction to lynch him. So with this new point, why would it be that he would gain town rep from this? The way these games have been going lately, townies can just mislynch freely and get no blame put on them because we blame people for townshaming more now. I feel scum are starting to realise as long as you put some reasoning down on why this is the best lynch at time. You will not be blamed for it and get townread instead for been proactive. You don't need as strong reasons to be town read as it used to be sadly. I also don't read conviction as a town move this early either since it is impossible to be sure, so as I said imo a sightless lynch is a good way to appear like you are scumhunting and trying to help town and not be blamed when it backfires. It is very low risk and gets a lot of reward from a scum point of view. Not really....You aren't really scum hunting if you tunnel in one player and not pressuring back, that isn't proactively scum hunting. Based on past experienced, you won't get much out of Sightless no matter what you do, so trying to scum hunt him is bit of a joke (but at the same time bit of a risk to keep around since he is so tight lipped to be indicative on his own alignment). It's a foolish move for scum imo. If this gave you a slight scum tell on Soren, why not vote him? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: It is more my town side I have been evolving lately, I have a lot of faith in the scum side of my game and even if I did not that is a vital part I feel. SoulEaterQUEEN said: Would you say you feel the most confidence in your scum game vs town game then? Jackrito said: I would say it is a town move, I'm a hard person to lynch so not really someone scum would target day one, and she knows that I work best under pressure since it makes me more active. I feel they is other reasons behind this as well. Jackrito said: Yes I would consider it the best side of my game, because I have more of a talent for deception then investigation. So this is why lately I have been trying to improve my town side a lot more since it annoys me how bad I can be. lol oh that is a low move, you know my scum confidence and lynch confidence are different things, and I'm proud of both for different reasons don't try to link the two. I have said before as town you should never be mislynched since they are a lot of ways to live and prove yourself to others if that happens you are at fault no one else. When mafia and been lynched I have faith in my deception skills and been able to fake claim, also been able get people on my side, so rarely get lynched unless a power role in play. So I have confidence in not been lynched as both for them reasons. |
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Crossbell said: Shinichi-kun said: I dislike to brag, but I consider one of my skills to be clearing townies with decent accuracy rates (It didn't work in Tsundere Madness because PentaFlare and Zuhra were playing good games, but check out Shounen Crossover where after the Claire lynch I cleared townies as town)Only been 2 hours how can u have 3 town reads in my opinion. Ok Ok fair enough since i've only played a few games with you and from what I've seen in shounen you are telling the truth about this. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: The way these games have been going lately, townies can just mislynch freely and get no blame put on them because we blame people for townshaming more now. I feel scum are starting to realise as long as you put some reasoning down on why this is the best lynch at time. You will not be blamed for it and get townread instead for been proactive. You don't need as strong reasons to be town read as it used to be sadly. I also don't read conviction as a town move this early either since it is impossible to be sure, so as I said imo a sightless lynch is a good way to appear like you are scumhunting and trying to help town and not be blamed when it backfires. It is very low risk and gets a lot of reward from a scum point of view. Not really....You aren't really scum hunting if you tunnel in one player and not pressuring back, that isn't proactively scum hunting. Based on past experienced, you won't get much out of Sightless no matter what you do, so trying to scum hunt him is bit of a joke (but at the same time bit of a risk to keep around since he is so tight lipped to be indicative on his own alignment). It's a foolish move for scum imo. If this gave you a slight scum tell on Soren, why not vote him? Because I need a lot more then a slight scum read on someone to vote them, I don't throw votes around freely if I vote someone past the early game I normally have a decent reason. |
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Jackrito said: When mafia and been lynched I have faith in my deception skills and been able to fake claim, also been able get people on my side, so rarely get lynched unless a power role in play. So I have confidence in not been lynched as both for them reasons. Tbf they're a few game's where you've been lynched despite your defense so your faith ain't always on your side it seems. |
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Crossbell said: Shinichi-kun said: I dislike to brag, but I consider one of my skills to be clearing townies with decent accuracy rates (It didn't work in Tsundere Madness because PentaFlare and Zuhra were playing good games, but check out Shounen Crossover where after the Claire lynch I cleared townies as town)Only been 2 hours how can u have 3 town reads in my opinion. What do you think about soren also coming out with quick town reads? Also why do you see jack as a town read but soren see's him as a scum read? |
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Jackrito said: So what you're saying here is that you do have a scum read on me?SoulEaterQUEEN said: Not really....You aren't really scum hunting if you tunnel in one player and not pressuring back, that isn't proactively scum hunting. Based on past experienced, you won't get much out of Sightless no matter what you do, so trying to scum hunt him is bit of a joke (but at the same time bit of a risk to keep around since he is so tight lipped to be indicative on his own alignment). It's a foolish move for scum imo. If this gave you a slight scum tell on Soren, why not vote him? Because I need a lot more then a slight scum read on someone to vote them, I don't throw votes around freely if I vote someone past the early game I normally have a decent reason. |
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Jackrito said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Not really....You aren't really scum hunting if you tunnel in one player and not pressuring back, that isn't proactively scum hunting. Based on past experienced, you won't get much out of Sightless no matter what you do, so trying to scum hunt him is bit of a joke (but at the same time bit of a risk to keep around since he is so tight lipped to be indicative on his own alignment). It's a foolish move for scum imo. If this gave you a slight scum tell on Soren, why not vote him? Because I need a lot more then a slight scum read on someone to vote them, I don't throw votes around freely if I vote someone past the early game I normally have a decent reason. So being on RVS is better than voting on a slight scum read then? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: When mafia and been lynched I have faith in my deception skills and been able to fake claim, also been able get people on my side, so rarely get lynched unless a power role in play. So I have confidence in not been lynched as both for them reasons. Tbf they're a few game's where you've been lynched despite your defense so your faith ain't always on your side it seems. Faith is not absloute, it just means I have strong confidence in been able to talk my way out of things, they are some things you can't fight like a cop claim or any other power role. When it comes down to a battle of strict words I feel I can win apart from aganist certain people. A lot of been mafia is confidence after all if you don't believe you will win you won't. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: ^^^^^Jackrito said: Because I need a lot more then a slight scum read on someone to vote them, I don't throw votes around freely if I vote someone past the early game I normally have a decent reason. So being on RVS is better than voting on a slight scum read then? |
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Crossbell said: SightlessReality said: I follow most of the Champs games, so yeah.Interesting that'd you go out of your way to post the end results of another game. You certainly seem devoted to study me. A fair point but I don't see you doing doing the same for Jackrito. Though in fairness jack brings more to the table then I do in terms of reads. |
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Soren said: Jackrito said: So what you're saying here is that you do have a scum read on me?Because I need a lot more then a slight scum read on someone to vote them, I don't throw votes around freely if I vote someone past the early game I normally have a decent reason. A slight one but I like to see how a person acts over time and then view it as a whole. Rash actions only lead to mistakes. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: Because I need a lot more then a slight scum read on someone to vote them, I don't throw votes around freely if I vote someone past the early game I normally have a decent reason. So being on RVS is better than voting on a slight scum read then? Imo yes I have a lot of time to change and reread to spot the scum slips no point throwing my votes around like a mad man, if I do that people will not listen when I am confident on someone. |
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SightlessReality said: Crossbell said: I follow most of the Champs games, so yeah. A fair point but I don't see you doing doing the same for Jackrito. Though in fairness jack brings more to the table then I do in terms of reads. I think u do a fine job its just jack alot more open about his reads, while you just silently gather info. |
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Jackrito said: Soren said: So what you're saying here is that you do have a scum read on me? A slight one but I like to see how a person acts over time and then view it as a whole. Rash actions only lead to mistakes. Where's the pressure in that though? if he's scum, why not add a bit of pressure with just your vote? |
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Jackrito said: Soren said: So what you're saying here is that you do have a scum read on me? A slight one but I like to see how a person acts over time and then view it as a whole. Rash actions only lead to mistakes. besides, what's wrong with making mistakes - that's how you learn. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SightlessReality said: A fair point but I don't see you doing doing the same for Jackrito. Though in fairness jack brings more to the table then I do in terms of reads. I think u do a fine job its just jack alot more open about his reads, while you just silently gather info. Ok I'm finding this strange, when did you become Sightless biggest fan I thought you did not like his playstyle before. What changed? or am I just crazy and you always liked them? |
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Jackrito said: Imo yes I have a lot of time to change and reread to spot the scum slips no point throwing my votes around like a mad man, if I do that people will not listen when I am confident on someone. but you just said you have confidence in your town/scum game so people should listen despite how many votes you throw down - no?, where did this uncertainty on your actions spawn from? |
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Bee-Boy said: SoulEater and Bioshade are highly likely to not be scum together. Why do you think that? Also, what's a town block? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: A slight one but I like to see how a person acts over time and then view it as a whole. Rash actions only lead to mistakes. besides, what's wrong with making mistakes - that's how you learn. Mistakes are the best friend of the scum team if I mess up that will be used aganist me in the late game, I would rather not give scum a reason to get town to mislynch me because I did a vote without thinking I did that too much in my last game. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: A slight one but I like to see how a person acts over time and then view it as a whole. Rash actions only lead to mistakes. Where's the pressure in that though? if he's scum, why not add a bit of pressure with just your vote? You know I don't pressure people as hardcore as others do and they are other ways to pressure someone without voting. |
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Jackrito said: Mistakes are the best friend of the scum team if I mess up that will be used aganist me in the late game, I would rather not give scum a reason to get town to mislynch me because I did a vote without thinking I did that too much in my last game. That;s why town has to unify to see passed opportunistic scum play |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: I think u do a fine job its just jack alot more open about his reads, while you just silently gather info. Ok I'm finding this strange, when did you become Sightless biggest fan I thought you did not like his playstyle before. What changed? or am I just crazy and you always liked them? At first it annoyed by but after a few games I kinda understand where he comes from with his palystyle and tbh it works really well when hes town, though i've never seen him as scum so i'm always skeptical. |
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Jackrito said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Where's the pressure in that though? if he's scum, why not add a bit of pressure with just your vote? You know I don't pressure people as hardcore as others do and they are other ways to pressure someone without voting. but you told me in a past game that you don't like to pressure people because of your passive playstyle so you just use your vote. but I don't see you using your vote here yet |
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aa-dono said: Bee-Boy said: SoulEater and Bioshade are highly likely to not be scum together. Why do you think that? Also, what's a town block? From what i've read and seen it's basically a small group of people that work together or something like that? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SightlessReality said: A fair point but I don't see you doing doing the same for Jackrito. Though in fairness jack brings more to the table then I do in terms of reads. I think u do a fine job its just jack alot more open about his reads, while you just silently gather info. Ah, that's not really what I meant exactly. My response to Cross is more to show Jack gives more to work with to read them as either town as scum. While I on the other give almost nothing away. So it would make more sense for Cross to bring up off site games involving me then for Jack. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: Ok I'm finding this strange, when did you become Sightless biggest fan I thought you did not like his playstyle before. What changed? or am I just crazy and you always liked them? At first it annoyed by but after a few games I kinda understand where he comes from with his palystyle and tbh it works really well when hes town, though i've never seen him as scum so i'm always skeptical. can you elaborate here, what do you think his playstyle involves and why does it work well when hes town? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: Imo yes I have a lot of time to change and reread to spot the scum slips no point throwing my votes around like a mad man, if I do that people will not listen when I am confident on someone. but you just said you have confidence in your town/scum game so people should listen despite how many votes you throw down - no?, where did this uncertainty on your actions spawn from? I never said I have confidence in my town game I just said I have confidence in not been lynched as town. They is a lot more to town game then that, I could find the whole scum team and have no one listen because I messed up too much. This comes more down to a belief of playstyle and what works best this is what I do not the best way but how I work trying to change it to be better but I have firm belief in parts of it. The whole voting with purpose is a big one. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: Ok I'm finding this strange, when did you become Sightless biggest fan I thought you did not like his playstyle before. What changed? or am I just crazy and you always liked them? At first it annoyed by but after a few games I kinda understand where he comes from with his palystyle and tbh it works really well when hes town, though i've never seen him as scum so i'm always skeptical. Please explain to me a game when it worked well. |
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SightlessReality said: I followed Jack's Champs game as well, actually!A fair point but I don't see you doing doing the same for Jackrito. Though in fairness jack brings more to the table then I do in terms of reads. That answer was more of a tongue-in-cheek response as to what I would be most afraid of seeing in this game (which would be you winning this game as scum). |
Jackrito said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: but you just said you have confidence in your town/scum game so people should listen despite how many votes you throw down - no?, where did this uncertainty on your actions spawn from? I never said I have confidence in my town game I just said I have confidence in not been lynched as town. They is a lot more to town game then that, I could find the whole scum team and have no one listen because I messed up too much. This comes more down to a belief of playstyle and what works best this is what I do not the best way but how I work trying to change it to be better but I have firm belief in parts of it. The whole voting with purpose is a big one. I see you mess up as town with a bunch of mislynches but people still listen to you anyway, so why has this become a reason now to not vote for someone you see as slightly scummy? do you not want town to move outside of rvs? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: You know I don't pressure people as hardcore as others do and they are other ways to pressure someone without voting. but you told me in a past game that you don't like to pressure people because of your passive playstyle so you just use your vote. but I don't see you using your vote here yet I also told you I vote with purpose, which i don't have enough of a scum read to do yet. Also the whole not doing more to pressure people. is something I'm trying to change. A passive playstyle is useless I use it well. |
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| Also I feel compelled to bring up something from the rules: Chione said: Each Twilight phase will last for 24 hours. This occurs when there's a tie between two players at the end of the Day phase and occurs before the Night phase starts. During the twilight you discuss and vote. You can only vote for: Each of the players that have been in the tie, no lynch and double lynch (lynch both players). If a tie should occur at the end of this phase, then the person to be lynched will be RNGed between the two lynch candidates. We should be double lynching every single Day. This is a powerful weapon given to us. |
Jackrito said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: but you told me in a past game that you don't like to pressure people because of your passive playstyle so you just use your vote. but I don't see you using your vote here yet I also told you I vote with purpose, which i don't have enough of a scum read to do yet. Also the whole not doing more to pressure people. is something I'm trying to change. A passive playstyle is useless I use it well. I fail to see the purpose in your rvs vote though, so why did you vote here? |
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Crossbell said: Also I feel compelled to bring up something from the rules: Chione said: Each Twilight phase will last for 24 hours. This occurs when there's a tie between two players at the end of the Day phase and occurs before the Night phase starts. During the twilight you discuss and vote. You can only vote for: Each of the players that have been in the tie, no lynch and double lynch (lynch both players). If a tie should occur at the end of this phase, then the person to be lynched will be RNGed between the two lynch candidates. We should be double lynching every single Day. This is a powerful weapon given to us. yeah sure but don't forget that scum can win when there's 6 townies alive and 3 scum alive >.> so I rather not use this weapon so freely. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: I never said I have confidence in my town game I just said I have confidence in not been lynched as town. They is a lot more to town game then that, I could find the whole scum team and have no one listen because I messed up too much. This comes more down to a belief of playstyle and what works best this is what I do not the best way but how I work trying to change it to be better but I have firm belief in parts of it. The whole voting with purpose is a big one. I see you mess up as town with a bunch of mislynches but people still listen to you anyway, so why has this become a reason now to not vote for someone you see as slightly scummy? do you not want town to move outside of rvs? You have seen me mess up lynchs in the later game and how badly I messed up in the last game is making me more aware of myself and not to act without thinking. I have no solid day one plays either this is the most I have ever posed on day one my true skill comes out on day 3 or later normally. I would say we are out of RVS already with the pressure on me. I like to have more of the cast appear, before I do though. Also any vote I do on Soren now would be more seen out of spite, then pressure anyway so it loses the effect. |
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Shinichi-kun said: It shows that he is thinking along the same lines as I am, which is all well and good, though I'm hesitant on townreading him early because I don't know his town game.What do you think about soren also coming out with quick town reads? Also why do you see jack as a town read but soren see's him as a scum read? I'm seeing Jackrito as a town read because I get the sense that he actually believes what he is saying. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: I also told you I vote with purpose, which i don't have enough of a scum read to do yet. Also the whole not doing more to pressure people. is something I'm trying to change. A passive playstyle is useless I use it well. I fail to see the purpose in your rvs vote though, so why did you vote here? I never said it was a true RVS vote, you know the reason why I did it as well.Even though the effect has been lost a bit by how much I'm getting attention instead . |
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Jackrito said: A passive playstyle is useless I use it well. What does this mean? |
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