| I rewatched the intro to the first episode. The opening shows some familiar characters going into space confronting the anti-spirals. When watching it first time, i didn't think nothing of it. But after watching the series up to 23, and watching the sequence now, the characters are similar to Simon and his group, but I dont think its them. Its dam close to Simon, and his costume. hell the Gurren Brigade logo is almost similar, but its not them. I think that they are the group that fought the anti spirals originally. I remember Lord Genome briefly mentioning that Simon was similar to him. But didnt say anything about who he was talking about. Just my theory. Anybody else have some thoughts? |
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| Mmmm....I have been wondering this too. But I wonder who the guy is who says...'So everyone of these lights is an enemy?".....parts of him remind me of Gimbley. The girl who says, 'Enemy fleet massive numbers', sounds a lot like Kinon. So I wonder if Rossiu's lot joins em later? |
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| I would probably agree with the Op's theory here, except for when the main guy says "Gurren Lagann, spin on". I mean, what are the odds that the ship is going to be called the exact same thing as Simon's. Sure, they're are small differences in theirs and Simon's, but there are far too many similarities to just be coincidence >.<. Also, at the start of each episode, the narrator states that "This is the story of a man who has yet to realise his own destiny" or something like that, which leads me to believe that the TTGL story has already happened, and that the prologue is the present day Simon and crew. |
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| I like the idea that it's a time loop, but that's just because I like weird endings, and it fits into the "spiral" idea (or maybe i just think it does, cause Uzumaki is my favorite manga) that would be just like GAINAX to pull some crap like that too. |
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| Going with what we found out in the recent episodes... Simon is trying to fulfill his promise to protect the Universe/Galaxy now. Not seeing Nia is worrying... |
ViM said: I would probably agree with the Op's theory here, except for when the main guy says "Gurren Lagann, spin on". I mean, what are the odds that the ship is going to be called the exact same thing as Simon's. Sure, they're are small differences in theirs and Simon's, but there are far too many similarities to just be coincidence >.<. Also, at the start of each episode, the narrator states that "This is the story of a man who has yet to realise his own destiny" or something like that, which leads me to believe that the TTGL story has already happened, and that the prologue is the present day Simon and crew. I agree. My theory is that the two characters seen are older versions of Boota and Simon. The deeper voices, Boota wearing clothes, and the absence of the star-shaped glasses on Simon indicate that it's not a vision of the final episode, but rather a look even further into the future. Episode 26 Boota:  Episode 1 Prologue Boota:  Same...eyes? Face markings, hairdo. It's Boota. |
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| Nice catch guys, It is Boota. But it got me thinking, of how far into the future was that clip? But im sure our questions will be answered next week! |
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| you mean tomorrow 8-D |
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accela said: you mean tomorrow 8-D True, but I like to wait till the fansub comes out. Which is around tuesday or wednesday. |
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| Makes me hope for a season 2 :] (all though I'm guessing the chance of that happening is pretty low). We'll know better after the last episode, but from the episode 1 prologue you get the feeling that Simon's up to no good. I'm thinking maybe he's gotten power mad from all the spiral power? I mean who are the Great dimensional government? (maybe rossiu and co later on?) It'll be interesting to find out :) |
 Thanks De-Jay for my claim picture : ). |
| I was hoping for a movie, but I guess if the demand is there, and if the story isnt final, another series would be made, or an OVA at the very least. I think a series would be made before a movie would. But you maybe about Simon being crazy with power. When i first watched the first episode, i def got a "Villain" vibe from clip. |
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| I personally got a rebel vibe. I think he's trying to stop whatever going to create that galactic black hole that is destined if the spiral beings grows too powerful. Simon did declare that he will stop it from happening after all. And with his track record, he just might pull it off. Now the Great Dimensional Government looks like lights with the same color as you see with Spiral energy. With all that happened, I going to assume that they are Spiral beings themselves since Earth isn't the only planet with Spiral beings and since its on a galactic scale, Simon shouldn't be the only one that can challenge the Anti-Spirals. |
Skarith said: Makes me hope for a season 2 :] (all though I'm guessing the chance of that happening is pretty low). We'll know better after the last episode, but from the episode 1 prologue you get the feeling that Simon's up to no good. I'm thinking maybe he's gotten power mad from all the spiral power? I mean who are the Great dimensional government? (maybe rossiu and co later on?) It'll be interesting to find out :) If Rossiu and co become the great dimensional government I don't think I'll ever watch another GAINAX production again. >.< |
| The first few minutes were probably just an alternate universe (pretty much like the stuff that happened in 26. Seeing as how the ending is pretty different. It can still happen actually but I doubt it will. |
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groovymatt said: Well after watching all the series it seems fairly obvious (and i'm fairly certain it's been confirmed "officially" though can't find a source right now) that the prologue is an unused storyline. The creators set with that scene to probably be around ep 24/25 but half way through the anime changed their mind on where the story was going/what characters were going to get used. As Viral says it's obviously an early drawing of humanboota, but they must have changed their minds part way through the anime and decided humanboota would only be in the alternate universe. Shame really as it meant throughout the anime we were all wating for that moment, only for it never to arrive. Well after watching the final episode, I believe what we saw was just a 'What If?' Scenario. Meaning, if Simon didnt quit, that would have been the path he took and ended up being the antispirals and such. |
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| Hmm, after the ending I'm thinking that indeed the Great Dimensional Government is the one Rossiu and Co created but they soon get thrown out of power or are even killed. Different clans, different views and I bet one of them gonna pursuit to fulfill the Spiral Nemesis. Since Spiral Nemesis is when Spirals grow too powerful and large and with the Great Dimensional Government being that large makes me think so. And that guy? Perhaps the second coming of Simon with the help of Simon himself. Simon might inspire someone just like Kamina did for him. Chances are since he is old, he will die... which can explain why Boota is not with Simon. Since Boota is much different than any other Spiral being, I'm guessing his aging is far far slower. Seven/eight years from the first time skip only made him look like a early teen so maybe. Of course it could be as Nightriver said and could be one of those alternate universes but thats such a anticlimax that it goes against what one of the things this show do best, having a good climax. And having it scraped? Well maybe what they originally had in mind but really, they didn't have enough episodes to do it. I remember hearing that Gainax wanted to expand the Gurren Lagann storyline in some small way. Boota comes into mind. He is small and he is in both of them. So I dunno... thats what I'm seeing. |
| Wait, why are we still arguing about this? The people who made gurren already said that it was an alternate universe, and Kamina and Simon's voice actors said in an interview mid-series that they wouldn't be hearing any more of Garlock's cool speeches cause he wouldn't be in GL other than in the beginning. |
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accela said: Wait, why are we still arguing about this? The people who made gurren already said that it was an alternate universe, and Kamina and Simon's voice actors said in an interview mid-series that they wouldn't be hearing any more of Garlock's cool speeches cause he wouldn't be in GL other than in the beginning. What interview? Where did you read it? |
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Nightriver said: accela said: Wait, why are we still arguing about this? The people who made gurren already said that it was an alternate universe, and Kamina and Simon's voice actors said in an interview mid-series that they wouldn't be hearing any more of Garlock's cool speeches cause he wouldn't be in GL other than in the beginning. What interview? Where did you read it? That what I want to know too. :< |
| it was a radio interview of Simon and Kamina's VAs; i'm pretty sure it's still online it's the one with Kamina's VA doing his GARlock impersonation. i have to root around for it though because i didnt bookmark it |
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| Excerpt from DeathToZippermouth explainin this scene: The Beginning and The End; or “Why the Ending matches the theme of the series rather than the promises of the Beginning.” The message internal to the series, carried to a single point and spiraling outward from that, results in a society that takes to the stars, seeking out new life and making peaceful relationships, forging a universe that need not fear the Spiral Nemesis. As they take to the stars, Simon, now a wizened man wandering the earth and instructing new children on the proper use of the drill, points out “All the lights in the heavens are stars, with new friends waiting for us.” But wait. This isn’t the ending the beginning of the series promised. The first sequence of the series shows a scene at an unknown time after the supposed end of the series. It features a slightly older Simon and a definitely older human form of Boota, seen in the dream world briefly. Space explodes in a brilliant battle against an impossibly huge force of enemies. Certain segments are echoed in the final battle, but it’s not exactly the same sequence ever again. In it, the following lines are uttered. “So, all the lights in the heavens are our enemies.” “They aren’t WORTHY of being our enemies! I’ll crush them along with Space-Time itself!” This sequence never happens in the actual series. However, the potential for it was there. In the humongous battle in low earth orbit that gives birth to the Arc Gurren-Lagann, a single attack from the mecha blasts an enemy through a hole in space. And in the final battle in the Anti-Spiral’s trap, the Maelstrom cannon, referenced in the first sequence, is shown to have the potential to fire not just everywhere, but everyWHEN along a given axis in time. By the end of the series, Simon literally has the power that the Anti-spirals feared as the Spiral Nemesis at his fingers. So what is the opening sequence, then? It is the other ending. The bad ending. The ending in which Simon, facing off against every force in the universe, becomes the Spiral Nemesis and destroys it. Rather than viewing the other stars as allies, he decimates every last one of them, ending all life that ever was and would be in a massive space-time annihilation. It is unfortunate that it also seems this is the ending that many fans of the series wanted. Fortunately, the Simon at the end of Gurren Lagann is a great deal more tempered and wise than the Simon in the hypothetical ending, and thus is able to see the potential of these other stars in a different light. ____________________________ read it all @ http://wtf.animeblogger.net/?p=140#more-140 |
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