| I'd say in general, Shoujo have more dialogues than Shounen. The artstyle depends in the mangaka I'd say. |
_Ako_ said: I'd say in general, Shoujo have more dialogues than Shounen. The artstyle depends in the mangaka I'd say. @dranime is speaking about artstyle, nothing to do with the amount of dialog. And yup, the artstyle depends of the mangaka… but really few mangaka are really "multi-demographics", most of them stay in the same demographic, and sometime they can migrate from a demographic to another. And even so, demographics have typical styles, which evolved with time. I don't read that much shōnen works, so I won't speak about it. About shōjo… The most distinctive trait is the eyes. The more the eyes are elaborated, sophisticated, the more "shōjo-ish" it is. Here the evolution of the "old-school" eyes: Shōjo eyes are "bigs", they often have "stars" in it, long eyelashes even for the boys. The other typical trait of shōjo works is the androgyny of the characters, both male and female can be pretty androgynous. Although today it's not rare to find androgynous characters in other demographics, at the origin it was something exclusive to shōjo. By extension of the androgyny, the characters are usually long-legged, thin and tall in shōjo; CLAMP is probably one of the best example And something that was in fashion in shōjo works, from the 50s decade to the 80s one, is that the girls and bishōnen are "kawaii", with frilly clothes, curly hairs… well, the "lolita" fashion-style. Now some typical examples: 50s/60s decades 70s/80s decades 90s decade I don't show more recent than the 90s decade; from what I saw of it, it's only "lazy sub-par 90s style". ------ EDIT: I guess I can speak a little about the "layout" too. In shōjo, it's usually full of flowers. The panels can be pretty destructed, if not nearly non-existant, with the characters can overlap different panels. Also it's not rare to see an artwork on the side. Those side artworks, from what I know were used in order to fill the area where the ads were in the magazines. |
removed-userDec 20, 2016 1:58 AM
| The artstyle definitely depends on the artist. Here are four pages from different manga. Two are from shounen manga, one is from a shoujo, and one from a seinen. Can you guess which page is from each demographic based solely on the artstyle? |
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TFO1013 said: The artstyle definitely depends on the artist. Here are four pages from different manga. Two are from shounen manga, one is from a shoujo, and one from a seinen. Can you guess which page is from each demographic based solely on the artstyle? Not sure but I'll give it a try, Example 1 is Shonen. Example 2 is Seinin. Example 3 is Shonen. And 4 is Shojo |
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TFO1013 said: The artstyle definitely depends on the artist. Here are four pages from different manga. Two are from shounen manga, one is from a shoujo, and one from a seinen. Can you guess which page is from each demographic based solely on the artstyle? I'll go with the same than @Roseezy Although only the 2nd and 3rd one use a typical "male art-style", I hesitate between the first and the fourth for the shōjo. But that's why I don't like that much the modern productions on the art department; in addition of the fact that I find the art pretty poor in general, there is a "standardization", with the lose of the "typical traits". A modern typical shōjo artstyle would be like we can find in Orange, and there is next to nothing notable in it, not much different from a lot of seinen works. It's a shame, really. But considering the aim of the topic, I choose to speak about the "typical" and historical traits. Because the answer "it depends of the mangaka" is uninteresting and somehow "poor", and ignore the fact that mangaka are influencing each others, creating some sort of standardization. Those "typical art-styles" were used in order to create an identity, distinguishing the shōjo from the shōnen, and distinguishing the gekiga (ex-seinen) from the shōnen/shōjo, and distinguishing the redikomi (ex-josei) from the shōjo. A way to say "Hey! We're doing something different here!". But today there is more and more demographic-less magazines, there is also internet which authorizes the emancipation from the magazines codes, people are also less sensible to the demographics, the studio of animation tend to standardize a lot too. Thus, I choose to show "typical art-styles", rather than atypical ones, I could have, I love a lot of those manga, here 4 different examples of 70s/80s atypical shōjo art-styles. The third example is interesting, because the mangaka changed a lot her art-style during the years, starting with a very typical 70s shōjo and gradually drifting apart from it. Here the evolution: Like she is drifting from the shōjo to the josei (which she actually did, changing from shōjo to josei magazines), with the eyes less and less typical, and the characters physiognomies more and more realistic. Because that mangaka, like most of them started by imitating others mangaka, but with the experience the mangaka started to affirm her own art-style. That tendencies of the mangaka starting by imitating others ones explain a certain uniformity. In the past the distinctions between the demographics were strong, thus maintaining a certain uniformity inside a demographic, but now that the distinction between the demographics loosened, the art-styles between the different demographics are standardizing themselves. |
removed-userDec 21, 2016 7:01 AM
| Shoujo art looks UGLY. That's pretty much the only difference. Now they switch more to a Shonen art to attract males. vise-versa |
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Roseezy said: Not sure but I'll give it a try, Example 1 is Shonen. Example 2 is Seinin. Example 3 is Shonen. And 4 is Shojo lady_freyja said: I'll go with the same than @Roseezy Although only the 2nd and 3rd one use a typical "male art-style", I hesitate between the first and the fourth for the shōjo. Example 1 is from Sougiya Riddle. It is tagged as a shounen on MAL and on some other sites. Whether it truly is or not is kinda up for debate as it was serialized in Gangan Online, which doesn't really have a true demographic that I can find. Personally, I feel like it is much closer to shounen-ai than shounen. Example 2 is from Hinekure Shiso no Mikaiketsu Jikenroku. This is actually a shoujo but when I was reading it I couldn't tell that it was. Example 3 is from Hakoniwa no Fräulein. It's a seinen. Example 4 is from Diabolic Garden. It's a shounen. Although it was serialized in GFantasy which tends to blur the line between shounen and shoujo. So I might have cheated a bit with examples 1 & 4. :) @lady_freyja Yeah, I know, I used some atypical examples, especially with the shoujo manga I chose. But since I'm a guy I tend to gravitate more towards the modern, atypical shoujo. Not that I have anything against the more traditional style. |
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| shoujo tends to have more delicate line art. usually more detailed hair and eyes too. |
| I was gonna say that talking about a broad "shounen style" or "shoujo style" is silly, but then I remembered reading Ikonografia Mangi by J. Zaremba-Penk back in my university days, and that book had some neat things to about it, actually, IIRC - shounen manga were usually influenced by things like Western cartoons, action movies, comics, etc. whereas shoujo was more influenced by traditional art and foreign media like Alfons Mucha's advertisements. So the key difference is what inspired them, pretty much, and that's what results in shounen feeling more "punchy" whereas shoujo feels more "delicate", as some folks above pointed out. |
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