What Are The Plot Holes In This Series

MeinKaiser said:
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RedRoseFring said:


ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!
ALL HAIL LELOUCH!!!

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Lollo36 said:
I don't remember it too well, but once he becomes the emperor, Lelouch orders everyone to obey him with his Geass, which will obviously raise this question: why didn't he just order people to obey him from the start of the series, if he could? Why can he suddenly cheat like that? (I remember something about his Geass powering up in R2, can someone clarify this?)

Lollo36 said:
I don't remember it too well, but once he becomes the emperor, Lelouch orders everyone to obey him with his Geass, which will obviously raise this question: why didn't he just order people to obey him from the start of the series, if he could? Why can he suddenly cheat like that? (I remember something about his Geass powering up in R2, can someone clarify this?)

MeinKaiser said:
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ALL HAIL LELOUCH !!!!!!!!!!!

RedRoseFring said:


ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!
ALL HAIL LELOUCH!!!

RedRoseFring said:


ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!
ALL HAIL LELOUCH!!!

night97 said:
Why did Lelouch have to die in the end?

I get that his plan is to get the entire world to hate him and then die, so there's world peace.

But what's the point of doing it in a bloody way when he could have just as easily done it peacefully? Throughout the series, Britannia's been the main bad country. The Chinese Federation broke up and became a democracy after he created the UFN. The European Union is dead, but it was also a democracy.

Britannia's the only nation that hasn't become a democracy yet and is a known warmonger. Lelouch could have easily changed that seeing how he's fine with enslaving everybody with his Geass and killing off all opposing factions in the empire. Hatred for Britannia also died with Charles because we see people calling Lelouch an emperor of justice or whatever before he conducted his "democracy" with the UFN. Even leaders of the UFN approve of him. The only people that could possible hate him and oppose him are the "strong" nobles and aristocrats. There's literally nothing stopping him from creating the "gentle world" that "gathers around a table to discuss" with his own hands.

Not to mention that because he dies there's no one leading Britannia. There's probably going to be a bunch of political strife in Britannia with countries wanting to secede from the Empire and distant Imperial family members vying for the empty throne. Then who knows what kind of idiocy can happen in Britannia (1/3 of the world) as the world tries to go towards the UFN route.

Also Schneizel can try to contest for the throne all he wants after Lelouch gets it because he would have no legitimacy or power if Lelouch stays good. Schneizel's only power after Lelouch brainwashes his entire kingdom is the FLEIA nukes. Well, if he uses that on Lelouch when Lelouch is good, the UFN would just take out Schneizel for being a warmonger.

It's not like Lelouch is opposed to peaceful resolutions. He attempted the Special Japanese Zone twice. It only failed the 1st time because of his own mistake. A theme throughout the whole series too is that if Lelouch (and Suzaku) had power then they could create the gentle world. Being the emperor of 1/3 of the world with mind control is more than enough power to basically do whatever Lelouch wanted. And o did he do whatever he wanted alright in the original ending. -cough- killing everyone and taking over the world -cough-

Cause the death of millions of people -> Become Devil of the world -> die -> ??? (idiocy ensues) -> eventual world peace

Stay alive -> become a good king -> kill the couple of hundred of people that may oppose your drastic policy changes -> planned and systematic world peace -> Live freely in the world -> Resign being an emperor -> become a cart driver -> live with CC forever



The only reason why I think Lelouch would choose the bloody path is because the writers wanted an epic finale. It was epic; I agree with that. But if you turn your brain on and ask why not just reach the same goal peacefully, the finale becomes pointless. That or because he was suicidal when he thought Nunnally died and wanted to die, so he kidnaps all the world leaders before he could Schneizel shows that Nunnally is alive.

Devilrai said:
I would gladly answser your question but that would take too much time and too much political nonsense, but what would you prefer, the normal ending you’re suggesting or the epic ending you got ( IMO the best ending ever ).

Gikiseima said:
Last time I remember how the fuck lelouch stop the war by standing(I dunno similar like world map) on the floor, and then why everyone have geass... Seriously!?where the hell rolo come from? Heaven? So much nonsense in this series,and guess what! The most ridiculous twist is nunnanly opened her eyes OMG fucking shocked...

VoxOfTheSheeple said:
I thought the military appointing Suzaku, a WOUNDED ELEVEN TEENAGER, as the pilot of their most powerful experimental KMF (aka the Lancelot) despite all the able, healthy Britannian soldiers around to choose from pretty much defied all logic seeing the treatment the Elevens were given in the settlement and how the military itself treated other Honorary Britannians, yet nobody seems to question that fact.

Not to mention how Suzaku was supposed to have been killed for disobeying a superior's orders the episode before...

Lollo36 said:
I don't remember it too well, but once he becomes the emperor, Lelouch orders everyone to obey him with his Geass, which will obviously raise this question: why didn't he just order people to obey him from the start of the series, if he could? Why can he suddenly cheat like that? (I remember something about his Geass powering up in R2, can someone clarify this?)

Gikiseima said:
Last time I remember how the fuck lelouch stop the war by standing(I dunno similar like world map) on the floor, and then why everyone have geass... Seriously!?where the hell rolo come from? Heaven? So much nonsense in this series,and guess what! The most ridiculous twist is nunnanly opened her eyes OMG fucking shocked...

Klassical said:


Wow , you look into every little detail , so critical .
however you should do that for every anime series , for example :

Klassical said:
you should criticize all anime series equally otherwise i'll consider you a hater .

Klassical said:
To answer the point you made : Suzaku was a very talented pilot/soldier , so they wanted the full benefits from him , however i do agree that they should have punished him , but again he saved the day for Clovis .

robis798 said:
Too many to count

Baitdragon16 said:

Don't be lazy and just say them .I doubt there were many plot holes tho (well maybe a few minor unexplained events).

VoxOfTheSheeple said:


There are thousands of inconsistencies throughout which go against any plausibility the show may have been going for.

VoxOfTheSheeple said:


I fail to understand why you had to bring up those two unrelated anime into a Code Geass discussion, but I'll respond to you anyway...

LOL



I don't remember having ever implied that either FMA:BH or Ping Pong were flawless and bereft of inconsistencies. You do realise I gave those two titles an 8.5 and a 9 respectively, right? Not a 10, so I obviously don't consider them to be flawless and beyond all criticism (for the record, I don't consider the points you brought up against each of those shows to be flaws either, but I won't bother going into more detail in a Code Geass discussion).

Also, in which way does giving a valid answer to the OP's question make me a hater? lol

Because those shows also have some flaws yet i dont see your type of anime fans go and criticize these flaws , not any single thread to talk about them , completely ignored , while for code geass they go on bitching about everything . ( anyway if you want further discussion feel free to P.M me )

Also stay focused please , i did not say you are a hater , what i said that if you dont criticize anime equally which means if you are unfair rater . right now you are just following the program nothing new here .



He demonstrated his value AFTER he began to pilot the Lancelot, which he never should, so my point still stands.

night97 said:
Why did Lelouch have to die in the end?

Enishi- said:
That being said, a true plot hole does arise with Guilford. He is clearly shown to die in the FLEIJA explosion when Suzaku nukes Tokyo. He is then shown to be alive in episode 24. That is an actual plot hole.

VoxOfTheSheeple said:
I thought the military appointing Suzaku, a WOUNDED ELEVEN TEENAGER, as the pilot of their most powerful experimental KMF (aka the Lancelot) despite all the able, healthy Britannian soldiers around to choose from pretty much defied all logic seeing the treatment the Elevens were given in the settlement and how the military itself treated other Honorary Britannians, yet nobody seems to question that fact.

Lollo36 said:
I don't remember it too well, but once he becomes the emperor, Lelouch orders everyone to obey him with his Geass, which will obviously raise this question: why didn't he just order people to obey him from the start of the series, if he could? Why can he suddenly cheat like that? (I remember something about his Geass powering up in R2, can someone clarify this?)

striderzz said:
Guliford and Suzaku surviving were a bit out of nowhere but I will count them as asspulls.

Madonis said:
I see lots of complaints and random alternatives that might have worked, in theory, but very few actual plot holes.


You're forgetting the most important thing: Lelouch made that decision. Why? Because of his emotional state and his specific mindset at the end of the show.

There were other alternatives, on paper, but he wanted to punish himself (and Suzaku) in the process. If you don't take that into account, which is almost an obligation for any real analysis, then you won't understand his actions.



No, not quite. The actual scene was more ambiguous than that.

We only saw the FLEIJA field start to engulf the legs of Guilford's mecha, but then the camera suddenly cuts away. That's quite suspicious in retrospect.

That's the moment where we see Lelouch still talking to Guilford on the screen and their communications are cut off. People instantly assumed that meant he had died, but his death was never portrayed directly.

As a matter of fact, the show did give us an indirect explanation. Rolo piloted the same exact robot as Guilford (the Vincent) and in R2 episode 14 we saw that KMF can eject its legs and still fly around during the fight against V.V.

Therefore, Guilford could have done something very similar in order to survive: purge the legs that were being caught in the FLEIJA field and then fly away and/or eject his pilot seat. You can still accuse the show of obscuring that for the sake of drama, but it isn't really a plot hole (nor inconsistent) in context.



It wasn't even the regular military though, at least not at first. In fact, Lloyd himself was the one who found Suzaku and decided to offer him the position. They had tried to get a regular pilot, but none of them were available at the time because of the Shinjuku operation. Furthermore, the show established that Lloyd is not a normal person and doesn't really try to discriminate against the Elevens. Everyone is just a tool in his eyes. He's crazy. That said, Suzaku still had to prove that he had good piloting skills and the results were said to be exceptionally compatible.

The military wasn't exactly happy with that at first though. In fact, they blamed Suzaku for the death of Clovis and were going to execute him. It was only after Suzaku's innocence came to light and he ran into Euphemia (one or two episodes later) that things actually began looking up for him.



Why would he? Lelouch does have a moral compass, especially early on. He had no personal interest in commanding an army of mindless slaves like mere throwaway puppets. That'd make him too much like his father, the Emperor, whose methods he obviously hates. In fact, the way Lelouch recruited the Black Knights was the most obvious contrast: he chose to convince them to follow him out of their own free will.

Giving isolated orders or causing enemies to kill themselves is one thing, but making everyone into a mindless slave who would follow his every command is a lot more morally questionable. Not to mention that, at the start of the show, he wasn't even sure about the limits of his power.

He only resorted to creating slaves at the very end of the show, when Lelouch was already seeking his own death and literally wanted the world to see him as evil. Not to mention he required a completely loyal force in order to take command of Britannia and mobilize for war, which was also necessary for the sake of the final plan.

That said, his Geass did become permanent in both eyes during R2 episode 21. Which would be the "power-up" you were referring to.



See above for Guildford. As for Suzaku...there's another curious detail: a large column blocks our view of the Lancelot Albion for a few seconds right before it exploded and the camera had also briefly focused on the falling Guren SEITEN. That creates a small time gap, which is when Suzaku could have escaped.

Enishi- said:
Just playing the devil's advocate here - why would they not show him eject?... In code geass, you see it when anyone else ejects... it's not like he really had a role to play after that episode anyways. I wouldn't call it for drama, because like I said, he really didn't have a role to play after that part.

Madonis said:


Because they wanted to fool the viewers. After all, it's an anime full of plot twists and surprises.

In this case, however, the drama was entirely limited to making the audience think "Guilford is dead! Poor Cornelia!" despite never actually showing him dying. In practice, all they ever did was imply that he could have died, while ultimately leaving the matter rather ambiguous.

For the record, I do recall that two episodes later Schneizel tells Cornelia "we don't know if Guilford's alive or dead" and they leave it at that.

You're correct that he doesn't play any important role after the fact. His return barely makes an impression, unless you were a fan of the character. He survived, but doesn't make a difference anymore. Which is part of why I think it's still valid to criticize to this event, even though it's not strictly a plot hole after examining the situation in detail.