Sasuke's recent ambitions and motives (Naruto vs Sasuke final fight)

j0x said:
it will happen considering that the second hokage says the uchiha clan are easily influence by evil because of their emotional nature, that is how the uchiha brains work, so maybe kaguya might manipulate sasuke to fight naruto too

tsudecimo said:
Why would Kagyua be even able to manipulate him?

j0x said:


kaguya also has a sharingan+rinnegan combo so some powerful genjutsu can manipulate sasuke thats my guess

AzuStar said:
i think... Sasuke wants to be Hokage at this point.

If sasuke is an avenger for his clan and respects his brother so much, than what better way would be to finally become the leader of the Village. The Uchiha clan has always been fighting for power, from the endless wars to Madara to the planned overthrowing. If Sasuke were to become Hokage, then you could say that the Clan has endured so much to finally accomplish their objective. it would fit with what Sasuke learned about being a Ninja.

then of course, this conflicts with Naruto's Goal. meaning they would probably fight for it.

not only that, it would also be a good parallel to Harshima Vs Madara confrontation (Since Sasuke is an uchiha and probably not wanted while Naruto is Part Senju and wanted but also wants to keep Sasuke there)

tsudecimo said:

Yeah agreed. I think Sasuke being Hokage is a good idea, and it would mean a lot for the Uchiha history, but that conflicts heavily with Naruto's motivation and goal since the beginning of the series.

How would you feel if Naruto won against Sasuke, but decided to make him Hokage with him at the same time? it would the first union of the Indra's and Ashura's

AzuStar said:


hmm... well on one hand, that would be a valiant thing for Naruto to do and would greatly symbolism an end to the uchiha/Senju conflict. it could also show how far Naruto has come, since he would be giving up his dream for (possibly) the greater good.

but on the other hand, that might not sit well with the village. it also might not be smart for Naruto to do, since Sasuke is still somewhat of a mystery to him. im also not sure if Sasuke has the "Will of Fire" either atm.

If we aren't completely assured on Sasuke's motives and he does become Hokage (whether he wins or is given the title), then i would like a couple episodes after the event to show how everyone is doing make some things clear to us. (well, i would still like episodes even if Naruto becomes Hokage)

danae17 said:
a) Kakashi/Sakura will interfere because they don't wanna sit idly while they fight with all their power. I don't think that's gonna happen though because of all this excitement that the chapter built up.
b) they will have a battle while simultaneously discussing. Somehow Sasuke is convinced and counters the infinite tsukuyomi.

danae17 said:
I don't think there will be deaths, because as Naruto stated, they will both die if they fight. He also said he is the only one who can bear the burden of Sasuke's hatred. So maybe, this will be an intense fight and the outcome will be Sasuke's change.
Whatever happens though, in Naruto Shippuden we've only seen Sasuke as an avenger, who only wants to complete his goals and doesn't care for his former comrades. I really like his character, but I can't imagine him becoming good and caring like when he was younger, it would be very weird imo.

Ryukatsuka said:
Sasuke's 'The Last' character designs have been released recently. Now I see how it all ends. Lol.

Ryukatsuka said:
Sasuke's 'The Last' character designs have been released recently. Now I see how it all ends. Lol.

But in all seriousness though, this latest development at least makes sense now, and Sasuke seems to have solid ideals and sensible goals. If we look at it objectively, the Shinobi system has been one of predominant failure since the very beginning, and much of the villains and antagonists until now (Pain, Zabuza, Kabuto, Orochimaru, Madara) were all by-products of that failed system. When Naruto dies, the villages will probably go back to warring with each other like they've always done throughout history. So yes, their world IS in need of a revolution. Otherwise what's to stop the cycle of hatred from repeating itself and another Madara being born. Simply defeating Kaguya won't change anything, and the root of the issue (which is Chakra itself and the system) will still be present. So he's on the right track.

But he's going about it the wrong way, considering he wants to assassinate the current Kage; those leaders who agreed for the first time in history to put aside their differences and form an alliance, mind you. How the hell does he expect people will react to that? Does he really think the world will change? Despite being a realist, Sasuke has always been too self-centered for his own good. I'm gonna wait until Naruto and him converse and he actually makes clear his goals and elaborates more, but so far I'm getting strange dictator-ish vibes from him.

tsudecimo said:

I don't think they will interfere. They are really outclassed, and can't do anything physically to interfere.

I doubt that. I'm imagining a new for Naruto to handle this. And I really don't see Sasuke ever getting convinced by something Naruto says. Ever since the timeskip Sasuke really did break his bonds with Naruto, his motivations still continue to be about Itachi, so I don't think he cares about Naruto, like Naruto cares about Sasuke.


Back then, a couple of years ago, I imagined both of them dying, but I'm not sure that will happen. There is just a lot of possibilities, that keep going through my head lol. I don't think Sasuke still has that same hatred, he is more driven by love actually, if that makes sense, he is doing this because of Itachi, I hope we get to see more of Sasuke's point of view and what he means by revolution, I would desire a more unique approach than tyranny.

I just hope the whole situation doesn't end in a single chapter :P

short_review said:
Maybe Sasuke is planning some form of suicide against Naruto. Considering how Sasuke is the kind of person to always take drastic measures, now that he knows everything about the Uchiha from the 4 Hogage it's really possible his conclusion is : "the Uchiha should disappear because they bring nothing but problems"

So he went against Obito and Madara and now he is playing the bad guy to have the person he respects the most kill him without feeling regret.

My 2 cents ...

short_review said:
Maybe Sasuke is planning some form of suicide against Naruto. Considering how Sasuke is the kind of person to always take drastic measures, now that he knows everything about the Uchiha from the 4 Hogage it's really possible his conclusion is : "the Uchiha should disappear because they bring nothing but problems"

So he went against Obito and Madara and now he is playing the bad guy to have the person he respects the most kill him without feeling regret.

My 2 cents ...

Ryukatsuka said:
Sasuke's 'The Last' character designs have been released recently. Now I see how it all ends. Lol.

But in all seriousness though, this latest development at least makes sense now, and Sasuke seems to have solid ideals and sensible goals. If we look at it objectively, the Shinobi system has been one of predominant failure since the very beginning, and much of the villains and antagonists until now (Pain, Zabuza, Kabuto, Orochimaru, Madara) were all by-products of that failed system. When Naruto dies, the villages will probably go back to warring with each other like they've always done throughout history. So yes, their world IS in need of a revolution. Otherwise what's to stop the cycle of hatred from repeating itself and another Madara being born. Simply defeating Kaguya won't change anything, and the root of the issue (which is Chakra itself and the system) will still be present. So he's on the right track.

But he's going about it the wrong way, considering he wants to assassinate the current Kage; those leaders who agreed for the first time in history to put aside their differences and form an alliance, mind you. How the hell does he expect people will react to that? Does he really think the world will change? Despite being a realist, Sasuke has always been too self-centered for his own good. I'm gonna wait until Naruto and him converse and he actually makes clear his goals and elaborates more, but so far I'm getting strange dictator-ish vibes from him.

tsudecimo said:

Lmao. I expected a bad meme but that's really witty.

Anyway. I think the root of the problem so to speak with Sasuke, is that he never cares or think about others, he just doesn't value others most of the time, except for Itachi. Well I think it would be interesting to see, if there is more to his revolution than typical tyranny. Damn the cliffhanger was good :o

AzuStar said:
I've heard a a theory of how the fight will play out

Basically, at the end of the fight, when Naruto is charging with his rasengan and Sasuke with his chidori, Naruto will deactivate his Justu and join his seal with Sasuke's seal by grabbing sasuke's chidori hand. That would force the IT to deactivate. it would also explain where the cast on Naruto's hand came from in "The Last" Movie.

to build on top of this, i think Naruto and Sasuke are going to join their dreams together. Sasuke is probably on to something in saying that the Ninja system needs a change but the way he is going about isn't quite good. I feel if Naruto, with his compassion and ability to forgive, were to join with Sasuke, with his intellect and strategic way of thinking, they could create a better system that wouldn't require the tailed Beasts to be restricted or killed.