SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: I notice this quite alot and capitalize on it, but then i get shamed sayings it anti town but its the same vise versa. Alot of the new players look up to the pros which lead to them easily following or sheeping their votes a good scum will take complete advantage of this that is why i don't overlook it Biased or not i'm afraid of the experienced players not the unexperieced players I get the view, but does this help you form the read on Claire, is her reaction because she is scum angered, or town angered? Can't really tell because she's focused quite often so its hard to tell if the anger is town or scum atleast thats my opinion. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: These actions are in general so not just this game. Also, I'd like to move on from you at this point, debates are getting exhausting and we need to look elsewhere to gather info. Fair Enough |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: No the fact you are naturally scummy players means you are more prone to being abused actually. I'm saying this because it is my biased view set that can interfere with my analysis so I have to be careful. I'm afraid of Penta because I don't know his town range that well, which means I lack the data to counteract my own bias of what I am use to expecting from Penta. Is any of this making sense? Top part makes me think your using the scummeist of players as bait Idk i say we should try to find slips or emotional reponses by penta to see if someones thing off, cause we can't meta read someone whois almost always been scum since it will be biased and the lack of evidence could just lead to us lynching a townie. I think you are confused with my first point. I am trying to point out in the thread that there's going to be some issue getting reads on all 4 of you since you all have this scummy meta about yourselves. I think given this fact it makes you all an easy target that scum can use as an advantage. This is not going to be the case everytime since any of you can be scum and use this as a reason why you are pretending to be town being victimised as scum. It also explains why I kept pushing and pushing on you earlier because I needed to dig deeper to gather your alignment clues, I think you are leaning town at this point. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: Top part makes me think your using the scummeist of players as bait Idk i say we should try to find slips or emotional reponses by penta to see if someones thing off, cause we can't meta read someone whois almost always been scum since it will be biased and the lack of evidence could just lead to us lynching a townie. I think you are confused with my first point. I am trying to point out in the thread that there's going to be some issue getting reads on all 4 of you since you all have this scummy meta about yourselves. I think given this fact it makes you all an easy target that scum can use as an advantage. This is not going to be the case everytime since any of you can be scum and use this as a reason why you are pretending to be town being victimised as scum. It also explains why I kept pushing and pushing on you earlier because I needed to dig deeper to gather your alignment clues, I think you are leaning town at this point. Oh ok i get it now my bad for interpreting wrong. |
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_Claire_ said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Relax _Claire_, there is still plenty of time to analyze, no one is going to lynch you yet. I am just going to analyze the info with what I have. I don't fully trust PentaFlare, but I don't have anything to substantiate my distrust in him either, call it a gut feeling? So his vote on you has made me a bit more interested so going to see both sides of this. It still pisses me off how many are townreading them because they scumhunt. I for one know how much experience they have and how they can scumhunt really well even if they are mafia. And I could see from everyone's posts that they trust them so much at this point. It is still pissing me off sometimes. And you guys really need to read my others posts where I say my points and not "questioning". I feel like Crossbell has been sheeping vote here and there, but I will reread the posts in a few hours to get a better view of him. Hmmm... I think this is town frustration: _Claire_ said: It still pisses me off how many are townreading them because they scumhunt. I think this point needs elaborating, scumhunt in what manner? _Claire_ said: I for one know how much experience they have and how they can scumhunt really well even if they are mafia. Genuine fear. _Claire_ said: And I could see from everyone's posts that they trust them so much at this point. Genuine paranoia. _Claire_ said: It is still pissing me off sometimes. Exploded paranoia that built over time? _Claire_ said: And you guys really need to read my others posts where I say my points and not "questioning". Town frustration. _Claire_ said: I feel like Crossbell has been sheeping vote here and there, but I will reread the posts in a few hours to get a better view of him. Please do. In conclusion, I think this might be town frustration. I doubt as scum she would make such a bold post trying to discredit the most experience players and get all 3 on her back as scum on day 1, that is just stupid play. My second point is that her paranoia, which drives her as how she plays as town, seems to be the driving force here. Anyone else want to comment? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: 1. White Knighting null reads. 2. being biased about experienced players and defending the new players, one sided. 3. TPR fishing 4. Town shaming - though you didn't do that for a bit 5. overusing the victim card as a means to guilt trip the voters 6. sheeping people's reasoning which can be seen as thought fabrication, shows you are not an independent thinker. 7. Day 1 anti-lynch vote play goes against your paranoid playstyle 6 and 7 are the only things in here which I feel as though didn't happen in Angel Beats mafia or are scummy. |
SoulEaterQUEEN said: Crossbell said: I am reading Claire's posts and wondering if her anger is frustrated scum!anger or town anger. My gut is somewhat leaning towards the latter, but my brain is telling me that she is trying to open up mislynches and is afraid of all these strong players getting cleared so quickly. What do you think, QUEEN? Hmm, her anger is hard to pinpoint. She could be angry as scum because it would mean she is found out rather quickly again in day 1 like she was in the shounen game. Also the fact I went digging on her past meta and made it so obvious could be making her mad too. Though as scum, I'm surprised she did not jump my throat and try to push on me being scummy and vote me out like I intended before. Her anger as town could also be a snapping point since she frets all the time about people trusting the exp players, and how they lead town too much. This is something I seen so much in her town games. The constant question urks me, but her intentions on voting Kasai and pressuring them is not a bad call, and to me it seemed genuine to her (even if it is weird play ). Which is one of the reasons why PentaFlare called her out for. The other reasoning she was called out was the constant questions which deemed to be a scum sign in Shounen Game, and this is something I can't argue with. Your further thoughts? Actually I am leaning towards the latter too. I did some re-reading and it is pointing me towards town frustration. You can try to read through my recent post and see. |
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| Oh and 3 is scummy as well but I see it come from town in all honesty >.> |
| ninjas I don't know who I want to lynch but I really hate how no one is defending Shinichi and this lynch feels pretty wrong since it is snowballing so smoothly. I see things that make him scummy but .-. |
| as for 6, I meant it in a way you claim it as your own or you speak it as it is your own. I take issue that if you give a reasoning that was not originally yours to begin with, you should give credit to the one who made it. This shows honesty. |
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Bee-Boy said: ninjas I don't know who I want to lynch but I really hate how no one is defending Shinichi and this lynch feels pretty wrong since it is snowballing so smoothly. I see things that make him scummy but .-. He seems town, and I think the votes on him should come off once the other players re-evaluate their views on the whole thing. That's speaking with a bit of optimism though. |
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| Aahhhyyyeeee kiddies, awkwardly enough I not only got kidnapped yesterday, but also will be gone today following din-din which probably leaves me 30mins if lucky. Scratch that, I just threw a few posts together while eating koz it arrived earlier than expected.... gl. Done a quick skim, a few things do come to mind all but probably iffy at best if not a complete mess and a bunch of shit going over my head.... Though A lot of that I'd like to thank what I'd consider a burst of fluff and discomfort surrounding Lolimuncher and Kaito's general flow of not so consistent activity in terms of expected performance. On note of my initial vote, though little came of others and how alerted they may not have been considering this.... as well as the few that should have known some of the reasoning behind it and just passed it off as me being myself. Most of the shit I do is far from random, which I hope presents itself eventually, even if only to a select few. I don't just pulls "stunts" or whatever out of my ass as per lottery or the current mood etc, each would typically be reflective of the games specific mechanics/potential set-up surrounding this and to some extent the roster that is in play. Though initially a place-holder of sorts and something that isn't an immediate go to mid-way onward of a phase, it would be a beneficial option if a good number of players aren't rather confident in the lynch most likely to go through. I'll still be leaving this as an option, seeing as some results have been picked out through prior voting patterns already and opinions formed or developed. If you lot jump into something, even if it yields results and development from that point onward, don't jump it anything un-decided, cheers. Posts will follow this, but gtg after I finish din-din. |
| Scratching my head a wee bit at the fact Kaito still manages to set an example of himself and create a shit-storm of what is mostly fluff and paranoia taking a specific name or two with him and essentially flooding the thread out with little gain. Eventually making some use of it though I guess, actually better results than most cases of this shit going down... I do wonder if he's finally after all this time found a way to actually make use of how people tend to act in-turn of his usual approach to both the game and people that are sucked in by it. Making use of an easy players such as himself and Kasai was actually pretty amusing, given their over-stayed welcome in the section of "but I always look scummy" Even though I'm not a fan of that kind of flow of posts nor do I specifically agree with their thoughts come the end of the show, I do actually like the intent shown once done. Lolimuncher seems to be one with more presence, but also a little too much in fluffy shitstorms and the likes. While eventually maintaining what I recall from a handful of games as their usual stance on scratching away at practically everything and everyone presented before themselves and taking on too much for the amount of viable intent from others given the elapsed time. I see very little benefit concerning the earlier "meta illusion" forced and rather early on dispelled by themselves whilst adding to tunnelling away on a seemingly similar move in place by a weaker player regarding wording and the likes. Soren being someone I'm, not entirely sure I have that good a grasp on now days as per their absence and lack of presence in the few games I've played with them in recent times. As well as a player rather good at or at least well known for picking up universal town-reads over most of a game as per their straight-forward but hard pressed scum-hunting which is typically rather consistent regardless of alignment. Though it might be something rather simple and with little foundation, a couple things seem out of place initially before getting back into their usual comfort-zone. Not so much a fan of throwing every concern I have in peoples faces and mapping it all out for scum so yeeeahh. A couple others seem to like falling into the whole asking questions for the sake of asking questions due to how doing so is viewed by others which seem to be at least some-what noted by others already.... Likely something to follow up D2 if no prominent leads arise, as this is something that needs to be checked out to confirm whether or not it's weak play as town or not knowing how to come across as active and or useful as scum without actually scum-hunting or throwing their team-mates under the bus early on. |
| Depending on whether or not the majority have made up their mind given the captain mechanic prior to getting back to this thread again I'll leave some notes of sorts for that shit: This isn't all that amazing a trait early on in the game and will function as some pretty clutch shit end-game.... whether or not it will be in one factions hands or not and will mostly act as either a paranoia barrier or a target on ones head. To make better use of this I would not place it on the more considerable universal town-reads nor the type of player that is giving out too much of their views concerning alignment of others players... or well, reads. Such players are either too risky to throw further into the spot-light or too easy for scum to make the most of during earlier stages of the game and their mis-placed trust.... even if some are abusing early read lists in a manner I prefer. Better nominations would lie in the some-what suspected but not completely due to being inactive and producing nulls as that would just go again the point in having one at all or might simply backfire and throw it away on someone who will make little use of it. Though it would be far from what I'd assume "a popular opinion" I would actually suggest throwing sightless into said position and using it to force further participation as they seem to be a player a lot of you have a harder time grasping. Players I suggest stay far a fuhkken away from the captain trait for the time being: Soren Jackrito Shinichi-kid Deepintheinactivity Crossbell LoliMuncherQueen Bee-boy |
Vote Count ★ 1.8 Crossbell (1)// Togs SightlessReality (1) // SightlessReality SoulEaterQUEEN (2) // aa-dono,Shinichi-kun, Soren (1)// deepinthelair Shinichi-kun (2)// Soren, Jackrito _Claire_ (3)// Karote, PentaFlare, Crossbell Kasai (1) // _Claire_ No lynch (1)// no_chode_name Not voting // Kasai, magicalofmagic, Bee-boy, SoulEaterQUEEN › Time until Night 1 ‹ |
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no_chode_name said: Players I suggest stay far a fuhkken away from the captain trait for the time being: Soren Jackrito Shinichi-kid Deepintheinactivity Crossbell LoliMuncherQueen Bee-boy Am I scum, bad, night killable, or no info could be gained about my alignment. I don't accept any of these as answers but I want to know which one it is. |
| I think it should be given to an active player that will do one of 2 things 1) use the votes well and is unlikely to be night killed 2) someone who upon gaining this power will have there alignment revealed to the world 3) me |
| I think the only candidates that fit those 1 of those 3 categories are me (given) and Penta. |
| My english is broken again. I am going to go :'( |
no_chode_name said: Aahhhyyyeeee kiddies, awkwardly enough I not only got kidnapped yesterday, but also will be gone today following din-din which probably leaves me 30mins if lucky. Scratch that, I just threw a few posts together while eating koz it arrived earlier than expected.... gl. Done a quick skim, a few things do come to mind all but probably iffy at best if not a complete mess and a bunch of shit going over my head.... Though A lot of that I'd like to thank what I'd consider a burst of fluff and discomfort surrounding Lolimuncher and Kaito's general flow of not so consistent activity in terms of expected performance. On note of my initial vote, though little came of others and how alerted they may not have been considering this.... as well as the few that should have known some of the reasoning behind it and just passed it off as me being myself. Most of the shit I do is far from random, which I hope presents itself eventually, even if only to a select few. I don't just pulls "stunts" or whatever out of my ass as per lottery or the current mood etc, each would typically be reflective of the games specific mechanics/potential set-up surrounding this and to some extent the roster that is in play. Though initially a place-holder of sorts and something that isn't an immediate go to mid-way onward of a phase, it would be a beneficial option if a good number of players aren't rather confident in the lynch most likely to go through. I'll still be leaving this as an option, seeing as some results have been picked out through prior voting patterns already and opinions formed or developed. If you lot jump into something, even if it yields results and development from that point onward, don't jump it anything un-decided, cheers. Posts will follow this, but gtg after I finish din-din. So one thing I got from this was your no lynch wasnt random and that it had somewhat of a meaning that you will not disclose. |
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no_chode_name said: Better nominations would lie in the some-what suspected but not completely due to being inactive and producing nulls as that would just go again the point in having one at all or might simply backfire and throw it away on someone who will make little use of it. Though it would be far from what I'd assume "a popular opinion" I would actually suggest throwing sightless into said position and using it to force further participation as they seem to be a player a lot of you have a harder time grasping. Players I suggest stay far a fuhkken away from the captain trait for the time being: Soren Jackrito Shinichi-kid Deepintheinactivity Crossbell LoliMuncherQueen Bee-boy Wish you were still here cause I wanna hear more on why you think sightless would make a good captain >3> |
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| I already knew his no lynch wasn't random, I just found it funny how many people commented on it. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: no_chode_name said: Better nominations would lie in the some-what suspected but not completely due to being inactive and producing nulls as that would just go again the point in having one at all or might simply backfire and throw it away on someone who will make little use of it. Though it would be far from what I'd assume "a popular opinion" I would actually suggest throwing sightless into said position and using it to force further participation as they seem to be a player a lot of you have a harder time grasping. Players I suggest stay far a fuhkken away from the captain trait for the time being: Soren Jackrito Shinichi-kid Deepintheinactivity Crossbell LoliMuncherQueen Bee-boy Wish you were still here cause I wanna hear more on why you think sightless would make a good captain >3> It forces Sightless to actually use his vote and be active in the game. The way he chooses to use his vote will help disclose his alignment. He's definitely got an interesting idea. |
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| @Togs @magicalofmagic @deepinthelair Uhhhh hello? >___> |
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no_chode_name said: Lolimuncher seems to be one with more presence, but also a little too much in fluffy shitstorms and the likes. While eventually maintaining what I recall from a handful of games as their usual stance on scratching away at practically everything and everyone presented before themselves and taking on too much for the amount of viable intent from others given the elapsed time. I see very little benefit concerning the earlier "meta illusion" forced and rather early on dispelled by themselves whilst adding to tunnelling away on a seemingly similar move in place by a weaker player regarding wording and the likes. Here are you trying to say our concern over the meta change should pretty much be null and mean nothing? OR are you trying to say she is scummy that she hid behind the meta illusion then tunneled onto my meta change? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: Wish you were still here cause I wanna hear more on why you think sightless would make a good captain >3> It forces Sightless to actually use his vote and be active in the game. The way he chooses to use his vote will help disclose his alignment. He's definitely got an interesting idea. OH that actually makes sense and would be effective in proving if my scum read on him is correct or a complete flop. I'm actually down to vote him as captain with this idea in mind. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: It forces Sightless to actually use his vote and be active in the game. The way he chooses to use his vote will help disclose his alignment. He's definitely got an interesting idea. OH that actually makes sense and would be effective in proving if my scum read on him is correct or a complete flop. I'm actually down to vote him as captain with this idea in mind. I don't understand, why not just lynch him today? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: no_chode_name said: Lolimuncher seems to be one with more presence, but also a little too much in fluffy shitstorms and the likes. While eventually maintaining what I recall from a handful of games as their usual stance on scratching away at practically everything and everyone presented before themselves and taking on too much for the amount of viable intent from others given the elapsed time. I see very little benefit concerning the earlier "meta illusion" forced and rather early on dispelled by themselves whilst adding to tunnelling away on a seemingly similar move in place by a weaker player regarding wording and the likes. Here are you trying to say our concern over the meta change should pretty much be null and mean nothing? OR are you trying to say she is scummy that she hid behind the meta illusion then tunneled onto my meta change? I think he is saying that the stuff I did was a waste of time since it did very little pay off. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: OH that actually makes sense and would be effective in proving if my scum read on him is correct or a complete flop. I'm actually down to vote him as captain with this idea in mind. I don't understand, why not just lynch him today? I mean we can but let's say he flips town then what? We can't really connect him to any players or get any reads from his lynch so basically its like a no lynch but we are killing a player. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: Here are you trying to say our concern over the meta change should pretty much be null and mean nothing? OR are you trying to say she is scummy that she hid behind the meta illusion then tunneled onto my meta change? I think he is saying that the stuff I did was a waste of time since it did very little pay off. Oh wtf lol how do you understand his wording so well its scary >_> |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: I think he is saying that the stuff I did was a waste of time since it did very little pay off. Oh wtf lol how do you understand his wording so well its scary >_> I might be wrong though, so I think that is what he saying. The trick is to read this 4 times |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I mean we can but let's say he flips town then what? We can't really connect him to any players or get any reads from his lynch so basically its like a no lynch but we are killing a player. You got a point actually. There's no connections to be made here. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: I mean we can but let's say he flips town then what? We can't really connect him to any players or get any reads from his lynch so basically its like a no lynch but we are killing a player. You got a point actually. There's no connections to be made here. I mean if he flips scum cool we caught scum but it leads no where afterthat lol. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: I might be wrong though, so I think that is what he saying. The trick is to read this 4 times I did but i got more and more confused XD |
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| I am worried about the ones who are producing these null reads from your list. How are we going to deal with them if they are barely making activity? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: I am worried about the ones who are producing these null reads from your list. How are we going to deal with them if they are barely making activity? Lynch them or if a jailer/vigilante is in play then they could deal with such people. |
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| yeah but there is a chance the town killing roles = 1 shot. Not enough to deal with them all. -le sigh- |
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| PLs do more harm then good usually. |
SoulEaterQUEEN said: yeah but there is a chance the town killing roles = 1 shot. Not enough to deal with them all. -le sigh- True i say focusing on finding a lynch that will produce the most information is in towns best interest, then if the inactives become a problem they can be deal with. Cause After soren/jack read my post they gonna wanna find someone else new to put their votes on. |
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| I'm still not understanding Kasai's intentions of hiding his thoughts so blatantly. What's the motive behind doing this as town unless you've got some lead :/ |
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| Btw after my interaction with Alice that slight scum read has become a slight town read |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: yeah but there is a chance the town killing roles = 1 shot. Not enough to deal with them all. -le sigh- True i say focusing on finding a lynch that will produce the most information is in towns best interest, then if the inactives become a problem they can be deal with. Cause After soren/jack read my post they gonna wanna find someone else new to put their votes on. What do you propose the best lynch options will be? (I won't take offense if you include me here) |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: I'm still not understanding Kasai's intentions of hiding his thoughts so blatantly. What's the motive behind doing this as town unless you've got some lead :/ No reason to hide your thoughts as town in my opinion, and like i pointed out before seem's like hes using his anti scum play style as a way to guilt trip us one thing for me to white knight him but it's different when he tries to white knight himself. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: True i say focusing on finding a lynch that will produce the most information is in towns best interest, then if the inactives become a problem they can be deal with. Cause After soren/jack read my post they gonna wanna find someone else new to put their votes on. What do you propose the best lynch options will be? (I won't take offense if you include me here) I kinda like the idea of lynching bee boy or as much as it pains me to say with all the white knighting Kasai |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: I'm still not understanding Kasai's intentions of hiding his thoughts so blatantly. What's the motive behind doing this as town unless you've got some lead :/ No reason to hide your thoughts as town in my opinion, and like i pointed out before seem's like hes using his anti scum play style as a way to guilt trip us one thing for me to white knight him but it's different when he tries to white knight himself. Also when I asked him questions directly about my interactions with you and what he thought about it, just seemed like a lack of commitment on it. The lack of commitment just seemed like he was afraid to test his knowledge with the game events, like he wanted to avoid criticism if he said the wrong thing. But the thing is, is this something Kasai would do because he's inconfident, or is this coming from scum trying to be too careful to not leak their thoughts? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: What do you propose the best lynch options will be? (I won't take offense if you include me here) I kinda like the idea of lynching bee boy or as much as it pains me to say with all the white knighting Kasai Hmmm, didn't think about this one. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: No reason to hide your thoughts as town in my opinion, and like i pointed out before seem's like hes using his anti scum play style as a way to guilt trip us one thing for me to white knight him but it's different when he tries to white knight himself. Also when I asked him questions directly about my interactions with you and what he thought about it, just seemed like a lack of commitment on it. The lack of commitment just seemed like he was afraid to test his knowledge with the game events, like he wanted to avoid criticism if he said the wrong thing. But the thing is, is this something Kasai would do because he's inconfident, or is this coming from scum trying to be too careful to not leak their thoughts? At this point it shouldn't be inconfidents because this isn't his first rodeo, and hes been under that pressure before so he should be able to handle it without having to worry about leaks. In general lack of commitment is scum tell since your afraid your read's or moves might backfire. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Also when I asked him questions directly about my interactions with you and what he thought about it, just seemed like a lack of commitment on it. The lack of commitment just seemed like he was afraid to test his knowledge with the game events, like he wanted to avoid criticism if he said the wrong thing. But the thing is, is this something Kasai would do because he's inconfident, or is this coming from scum trying to be too careful to not leak their thoughts? At this point it shouldn't be inconfidents because this isn't his first rodeo, and hes been under that pressure before so he should be able to handle it without having to worry about leaks. In general lack of commitment is scum tell since your afraid your read's or moves might backfire. Tho i guess technically lack of commitment might just be cause of a cautious townie like with me in angel beats and how jack has been acting this game. |
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| You are bringing up good points. I definitely think something is off with him -_- |
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