LucianRoy said: Mmm, Lucian’s catchup posts remind me of my own catchup posts whenever I’m scum. : P They’re kind of hard to read due to length and the fact that I care mostly about Dono, Soren, and Jack atm, so I haven’t looked at him closely but Lucian is on the top of my list to look into toNight.Page 9 Blah blah, beeboy still reads Jack as scum, blah blah Dono seems to have gotten kicked into gear from all the votes she's garnered, but a lot of her questions feel too general. She drops some self meta in 435 about her being an observer, and from what I remember, I agree with it, but I don't see any conclusions with the analysis she says she's formulating by asking all of them. There's just a bunch of questions that I don't see going anywhere. I don't like Dono's defense from Ari claiming that her vote was random. I thought the vote was a decent attempt to push a player who's insight she found odd. It does seem somewhat omgus-ish to me, although Dono being upset at the lack of textual evidence coming from Ari is fair. Crossbell backed the vote as well, and Cross is probably one of my largest TRs right now just from their approach to the game as a whole. I think I explained this in a bit of my earlier catch-up post as well. Followind's entrance to the game struck me in a nullish to town fashion, but it really disappoints me that he didn't vote after his read-though. I'm curious to see who he votes now that twilight has rolled around. I hope he doesn't keep up his passiveness he claimed towards the end of his post in the form of not-voting, because that's just straight fence-sitting. Ok, why I think Soren is town Soren said: I’ve mentioned this before but I like the logic here, it shows that Soren is looking at Jack’s posts on a deeper level.Crossbell said: I'm actually get the same gut feeling too. And I can substantiate it a bit more. I am getting the same gut feeling as you, actually! Just wanted to see if you could somewhat substantiate it. #132 Jack being genuine about what he tells his scum buddy in his mafia club. #138 Jack being genuine and open about his adapting playstyle. For me the genuineness is coming from jack being open about the way he plays the game. However, this is making me be careful here. His genuineness is from him being open about himself, but his genuineness isn't telling me what his thoughts are about the game. Soren said: Asking someone else for an opinion when no one’s really listening to your case seems town to me too, I’ve done it plenty of times.Crossbell said: I can see your town reads except for the jack one. I'm not sold on town!jack just yet.I'm really tempted to townread SoulEaterQUEEN, Jackrito, and Bee-Boy all at once. I hope they're all town. Is it because of the genuine gut feel? If so, what do you think of my post regarding that matter? Actually, he hasn’t posted as much as I seemed to think, but these 2 posts were the basis of my D1 read. Soren said: More often than not I’ve found cocky = town. 20 minutes left and still catching up, I'm at the top of page 11 right now. Gave page 12 and 13 a skim to see where the votes are right now. seems the consensus is to tie between me and dono. If this is what town wants i wont go against it, especially when there is only 20 minutes left. And since this isn't enough time for me to defend myself right now. I'll show you what town Soren is made of in twilight phase. “Look, I don't actually scumhunt day 1 that much, unless there is something incredibly telling about someone's alignment I won't actually say much. People have this idea of me that I make wall posts, reads and analysis and expect that of me on day 1, and when they don't see that they immediately think that I am scum. What people don't realise is that I do those things later in the game. If you can find a game from me in the past six months where I have made wall posts, reads and analysis day 1 and was town then I'd say you're onto something. But I can guarantee that you won't find a game like that. The point that I'm trying to make here is that me not doing much on day 1 is not indicative of me being scum. @Arrisu can vouch on me for that.” This also reads as confident / genuine to me, especially the way he references his past games. He presents it more as a “challenge” to look through them, like he would love for them to be proven wrong, instead of something like “welp you can check for yourself if you want” which is usually the tone I get when I see scum do it. Soren said: Yeah I don’t feel like I even need to post more at this point. Soren is pretty clearly town to me.Crossbell said: I'd like to see that case because I'm not scum.Soren seems to be quite overdefensive and has not really scumhunted nor has provided much in twilight phase, and dono seems to be nitpicking. I would make a separate case for each of them but my internet gets really bad at night and navigating the thread is a chore. I'll make time tomorrow maybe if we need it? Togs said: Just drawing your attention to this @SoulEaterQUEENNot gonna lie usually when people start posting walls of analysis when put under pressure I find them to be town. Has Jack ever done this as scum ? |
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| Oh isn't the phase over? Hm. Anyways I'm here & caught up. So everyone wants to lynch Soren then? |
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| vote: Dono Choosing bewteen lynching a lean town read and a strong town read is pretty bad, but I have to choose one. #SaveSoren |
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| Welp. I'd like to get my scum reads cleared up but. I will sit back and watch. Hopefully were lucky. Something tells me we won't be. |
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| It's good cause when people scum read me in future games for not doing anything day 1, I will actually finally be able to just link them this game as evidence that it is not indicative of me being scum and destroy their argument. Then maybe people will finally stop scum reading me day 1 every game for not posting walls, reads and analysis. |
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| Do you think there are scum on your train? Or is it bad reasoning from town? It's a little late for scum hunting, but do you have any scumreads? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Soren said: LucianRoy said: Jack thinks I was was pressuring him while getting other people's thoughts on him so I hide behind that and that somehow makes me scum. Shinichi disagrees with my perspective on the twilight approach and somehow that makes me scum. Whereas Crossbell thought the same as me but he never scum read him for it. Computer/ Internet still being janky. I would get a word in about all this, but I can't make an educated decision until I read all of this. Can anyone quickly fill me in on their reasons for voting Soren/ where the Soren train originated? Oh and the lack of scum hunting from me. They is a lot more to this then me and Shinchi so not sure why we are getting all the blame off you second thime you done this. I stand by my reasons on you, and the fact you had a near perfect defense to them. Puts me off a lot more no one should have a defense that good unless all thier actions were done on purpose to leave no gaps which a townie does not do. |
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| Reading through the post |
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| unvote vote no lynch ???? I think dono and Soren are town. |
| @Crossbell help me out here, I promise I'll finish Index if Soren lives |
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Togs said: Can we get this trending please :')#SaveSoren |
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| At this point I don't care, as long as we kill somebody. |
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Why are you so desperate to protect Soren? Seems weird. I don't like it. |
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Vote Count T1.7: aa-dono (4): Soren, bioshade2, Arrisu, Togs Soren (5): SightlessReality, followind, SoulEaterQUEEN, Shinichi-kun, Jackrito No lynch (1): Crossbell Double lynch (1): Bee-Boy Players not voting: (Togs, LucianRoy, aa-dono, Shuuka) |
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Soren said: It's good cause when people scum read me in future games for not doing anything day 1, I will actually finally be able to just link them this game as evidence that it is not indicative of me being scum and destroy their argument. Then maybe people will finally stop scum reading me day 1 every game for not posting walls, reads and analysis. I don't expect walls reads and analysis, I expect a bit of your own thoughts which I did not get in this game. It was all far too careful and not wanting to commit to anything this is shown by your readlist. |
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| FML this sounds like town frustration. |
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| Because he's town. Its pretty clear to me |
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Jackrito said: It sounds like you're saying I'm scum and everything I say in the game was perfectly calculated. I wish I was that good as scum :')Soren said: Jack thinks I was was pressuring him while getting other people's thoughts on him so I hide behind that and that somehow makes me scum. Shinichi disagrees with my perspective on the twilight approach and somehow that makes me scum. Whereas Crossbell thought the same as me but he never scum read him for it. Oh and the lack of scum hunting from me. They is a lot more to this then me and Shinchi so not sure why we are getting all the blame off you second thime you done this. I stand by my reasons on you, and the fact you had a near perfect defense to them. Puts me off a lot more no one should have a defense that good unless all thier actions were done on purpose to leave no gaps which a townie does not do. |
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| I also don't like how readily bee-boy is okay with a double lynch. That's waaay too dangerous. I can only see it as beneficial from a scum stand point. |
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Thoughts? I'm actually considering a no lynch right now. I'm not feeling confident either way... but I also want to get information. |
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Arrisu said: I also don't like how readily bee-boy is okay with a double lynch. That's waaay too dangerous. I can only see it as beneficial from a scum stand point. my double vote ruse |
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Jackrito said: Only thing I haven't committed to were scum reads. But I have given my thoughts on the game.Soren said: It's good cause when people scum read me in future games for not doing anything day 1, I will actually finally be able to just link them this game as evidence that it is not indicative of me being scum and destroy their argument. Then maybe people will finally stop scum reading me day 1 every game for not posting walls, reads and analysis. I don't expect walls reads and analysis, I expect a bit of your own thoughts which I did not get in this game. It was all far too careful and not wanting to commit to anything this is shown by your readlist. |
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Togs said: Because he's town. Its pretty clear to me Why? He's hardly the towniest town. |
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Soren said: Jackrito said: It sounds like you're saying I'm scum and everything I say in the game was perfectly calculated. I wish I was that good as scum :')They is a lot more to this then me and Shinchi so not sure why we are getting all the blame off you second thime you done this. I stand by my reasons on you, and the fact you had a near perfect defense to them. Puts me off a lot more no one should have a defense that good unless all thier actions were done on purpose to leave no gaps which a townie does not do. If you are town I have no idea why you were this calculated, the only reason to be so is if you are a powerrole who does not want attention, or a scum who wants to blend in. You would be neither if claim is true this makes no sense to me. |
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Arrisu said: Thoughts? I'm actually considering a no lynch right now. I'm not feeling confident either way... but I also want to get information. No lynch is tempting. It feels extremely dirty to lynch dono given she isn't here right now, but the frustration from Soren seems genuine. Yelp. I hope the cops do some good work tonight |
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| @Arrisu @Crossbell @Jackrito you are my bigger town reads. let's get to a decision fast |
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Arrisu said: I actually think that, if both candidates are really both town, then no one who voted for a double lynch toDay is scum. From the scum's standpoint, pushing a double lynch feels risky to do because of how much it can pay off for them, while pushing a single lynch is a very safe option because they can't go wrong no matter what ! So based off toDay I would say my townreads of Crossbell, SoulEater and Beeboy and strengthened.I also don't like how readily bee-boy is okay with a double lynch. That's waaay too dangerous. I can only see it as beneficial from a scum stand point. |
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| I would be lying if I said I was 100% confident in this, but recent games have shown me going aganist my views and going into panic mode ends badly. So sticking with my intial view. |
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| I've honestly never panicked this much in D1 before. I don't like the idea of a no lynch since it won't lead anywhere. But I don't really want to lynch Soren either. Clearly people aren't interested in lynching dono so... |
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| Much like the Double Lynch I refuse to No Lynch other wise we will be left with nothing in the grand scheme of things. |
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| You're right, he's the 4th towniest, not counting myself. |
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| /runs around in total panic mode. |
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| vote: dono |
Togs said: You're right, he's the 4th towniest, not counting myself. I don't like how you literally haven't contributed during the day phase & yet come in so confident about your reads. Makes me feel funny. |
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Bee-Boy said: vote: dono Did you just set a tie? :l |
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the dono train just got sketchier.... |
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Arrisu said: I'm pretty sure I explained everythingTogs said: You're right, he's the 4th towniest, not counting myself. I don't like how you literally haven't contributed during the day phase & yet come in so confident about your reads. Makes me feel funny. |
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Togs said: Arrisu said: I actually think that, if both candidates are really both town, then no one who voted for a double lynch toDay is scum. From the scum's standpoint, pushing a double lynch feels risky to do because of how much it can pay off for them, while pushing a single lynch is a very safe option because they can't go wrong no matter what ! So based off toDay I would say my townreads of Crossbell, SoulEater and Beeboy and strengthened.I also don't like how readily bee-boy is okay with a double lynch. That's waaay too dangerous. I can only see it as beneficial from a scum stand point. Your town read on Bee-Boy annoys me so much you have no idea. Scum would love a double lynch since with this game setup fast deaths equals fast win. So not sure why you think a double lynch attempt is certain town move. Espically if both are town as mafia you take risks to win and this is a good example. You can easily go wrong if you go for a single as well. |
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Vote Count T1.8: aa-dono (5): Soren, bioshade2, Arrisu, Togs, Bee-Boy Soren (5): SightlessReality, followind, SoulEaterQUEEN, Shinichi-kun, Jackrito No lynch (1): Crossbell Double lynch (0): Players not voting: (LucianRoy, aa-dono, Shuuka) |
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I hate this :c I am tempted to switch my vote but... I also want to be stubborn and stick with my initial read. |
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Jackrito said: Disagree strongly with the bolded. Scum really really really don't like risks (usually)Togs said: I actually think that, if both candidates are really both town, then no one who voted for a double lynch toDay is scum. From the scum's standpoint, pushing a double lynch feels risky to do because of how much it can pay off for them, while pushing a single lynch is a very safe option because they can't go wrong no matter what ! So based off toDay I would say my townreads of Crossbell, SoulEater and Beeboy and strengthened. Your town read on Bee-Boy annoys me so much you have no idea. Scum would love a double lynch since with this game setup fast deaths equals fast win. So not sure why you think a double lynch attempt is certain town move. Espically if both are town as mafia you take risks to win and this is a good example. You can easily go wrong if you go for a single as well. |
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Arrisu said: I hate this :c I am tempted to switch my vote but... I also want to be stubborn and stick with my initial read. Yeah pretty much how I feel. |
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| ^especially when any other option is a sure mislynch |
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| Sooooomebody has to change their vote. |
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Togs said: Jackrito said: Disagree strongly with the bolded. Scum really really really don't like risks (usually)Your town read on Bee-Boy annoys me so much you have no idea. Scum would love a double lynch since with this game setup fast deaths equals fast win. So not sure why you think a double lynch attempt is certain town move. Espically if both are town as mafia you take risks to win and this is a good example. You can easily go wrong if you go for a single as well. I guess this is a different approuch, then personally I feel you don't win by playing safe since you will be caught out at somepoint. But I like to take risks as scum so biased a lot here. |
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| wtf is this arguing back and forth. focus people focus |
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| /sighs I am going to regret this... Vote: Soren yolo~ |
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| We're RNGing the lynch? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| -sigh- |
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