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| Alright! The first random thought might as well be something very simple yet intriguing. (or not.) Is the color I see, the same color you see? Do I see red and call it blue because I have been taught its called blue.. and you see blue and call it blue. So do we see completely different worlds yet we call it the same? What do you think? This is something that's been bothering me for a while. Mainly after I saw this pic. I still see it as white and gold ._. |
| You little Rascal, I had a feeling you'd pull that lol. Straight up answer. I see dark purple/silver. |
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| the dress isn't the perfect example since I would assume ppl see black the same (if that was the other color ppl saw I 4get, personally I see white and gold) |
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SweetKotomi said: You little Rascal, I had a feeling you'd pull that lol. Straight up answer. I see dark purple/silver. Killaclown said: the dress isn't the perfect example since I would assume ppl see black the same (if that was the other color ppl saw I 4get, personally I see white and gold) The dress thing was the reason for my thoughts. What are your thoughts on seeing different colors but calling it the same. The dress has many theories on why people see it the way they see it. There was one that said that those who feel negative emotions see the blue/black while others see white and gold. I think that's not the real theory behind it. It is that those who see blue/black have a much more perceptible eyes which has a better sense of color than others since the dress is actually blue/black. |
M_F_M said: Alright! The first random thought might as well be something very simple yet intriguing. (or not.) Is the color I see, the same color you see? Do I see red and call it blue because I have been taught its called blue.. and you see blue and call it blue. So do we see completely different worlds yet we call it the same? What do you think? This is something that's been bothering me for a while. Mainly after I saw this pic. I still see it as white and gold ._. Yeah i also see that as white and gold, but it is blue and black. We see it white and gold because of the way our brains process the light we see in that picture. |
| I think the dress is white & gold. I think there is an optical trick about that dress^^ |
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| I also see white and gold. There are other factors playing here. Lighting is one. The lighting effect on a white shirt will make it look blue. knowing what a color is depending on the lighting is what may change your perception I see white even though i see blue since to me, that color = cold white. I calibrate televisions for a living and i can tell you a million things avout color perception |
natsunootoutoMar 26, 2015 1:41 PM
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| Now, back on track to the thought and away from the dress! The color you see does not have to be the color I see, we just have to have the same understanding of what the color is, that is my thought... (We could both have a color (blue) and we both identify it as blue, but to you because of your brain you could see that said color is blue, but if I were to go into your brain, then your blue could look like what I would perceive as orange or any other color) |
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| Another thing involved. Color reproduction by monitors. Do you people using LCD's really think your monitor is displaying what you would see in real life??? As a calibrator i can assure you. Look at the picture on 2 or 3 different kinds of monitors LCD CRT plasma Oled... the colour will change look at it in rl and color will be different ^_^ |
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| Well monitors can't reproduce every color, and another thing, neither do cameras most of the time when taking pictures. (That's why when you blue you get dark edges around where you blur a lot of times) |
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Eiji-chan said: yenten said: Now, back on track to the thought and away from the dress! The color you see does not have to be the color I see, we just have to have the same understanding of what the color is, that is my thought... (We could both have a color (blue) and we both identify it as blue, but to you because of your brain you could see that said color is blue, but if I were to go into your brain, then your blue could look like what I would perceive as orange or any other color) Mhh i have pretty much the same thought. However i think that blue is blue and not orange, if like you said would go into my brain you would see a different shade of blue but still blue and not orange. This video is kinda long, but it basically says everything I would want to say. (It is a nice explanation of people possibly perceiving a certain color differently, but the same..) [spoiler] |
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yenten said: Now, back on track to the thought and away from the dress! The color you see does not have to be the color I see, we just have to have the same understanding of what the color is, that is my thought... (We could both have a color (blue) and we both identify it as blue, but to you because of your brain you could see that said color is blue, but if I were to go into your brain, then your blue could look like what I would perceive as orange or any other color) There is no way of knowing whether you see an orange sky or I see a green sky. I watched the Vsauce video and it was very informative. Thank you for sharing. I think it sheds light on much of the topic we have it going here. @natsu and Eiji, so its just brightness playing games with us, but why only this image is my question. Why do we not see more of this phenomena? There has to be millions of poorly lit images but none had this kind of a change in its color. Why is that so? Its 2AM here, so its a goodnight from me :) |
| Yenten, i think you are right, i myself dont believe we perceive all colors the same way but our knowledge is a factor in our perception. We learned in school that way. They show us something, we record it as that word and everyone else in the world |
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| I have a lot of these videos but.. I feel the following video is a nice explanation and might satisfy you [spoiler] |
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| [quote=M_F_M] SweetKotomi said: well I think most ppl probably see similar colors since it may have been an important part of survival down the evolutionary line but thats not really true nowadays so im not really sureKillaclown said: the dress isn't the perfect example since I would assume ppl see black the same (if that was the other color ppl saw I 4get, personally I see white and gold) The dress thing was the reason for my thoughts. What are your thoughts on seeing different colors but calling it the same. |
| Perception of the brain proves the learning theory imo Why do japanese say Nyaaa for cats while English its Meow and so on? Perception. Only way to know would be to ask someone what color they perceive using a spectrum analyzer. 700nm will always be 700 and 800nm always 800nm |
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Eiji-chan said: Most people have 3 types of cones in there eyes : -blue -red -green Basically we can only see a mix of those colors. There again comes the question whether every cone really has the exact color as you say. Maybe the same shade but not the exact same color. Like how different eye colors are out there, what if the cones in the eyes have also different colors. yenten said: (There is this) [spoiler] Are you referring to the way we perceive colors in shade to be brighter than the color when it is not in the shade, which makes big changes in the way we see objects like this one. Like how if you put a finger over the middle part of the pic, its actually the same color. I think that is another phenomena that could play a part in us perceiving different colors, |
| I have actually seen the blue black version as well as the golden white combo. Eventhough I pretty much see gold and white all the time, I had a few instances where it turned blue and black which was the real reason why I actually accepted people who thought it was blue and black to be real rather than being trolls. So what's your thought on seeing both combinations of colors? |
M_F_M said: I have actually seen the blue black version as well as the golden white combo. Eventhough I pretty much see gold and white all the time, I had a few instances where it turned blue and black which was the real reason why I actually accepted people who thought it was blue and black to be real rather than being trolls. So what's your thought on seeing both combinations of colors? |
| We won't deny that the wavelenght is the same. Red is 700-800Nm no matter how you put it. Put that doesn't change the fact that you are associating 800Nm as red since you were taught that it is red. If you perceived 800nM as orange but were taught it was red, for YOU, red is orange! Does that mean if someone shows you something orange you will perceive it differently? No! Orange will look to you a different color but it associates with orange since your mind associates that spectrum with that color. It doesn't matter really what your eyes really see... since you will associate all things that color to the same color. No matter how you put it, color is only for your eyes to see. Even if the colors you see are not the same it does not matter really, as your eyes see the same spectrum and associate all the things which emit or reflect the same spectrum as a color. |
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| Oh, dat dress... I always saw it as white and gold, but if you incline a bit the screen of your PC/IPhone/Tablet, you may see it as black and light blue. And about MFM's original question, you can gaze a beautiful sunset with me and agree it's beautiful, but you might think it's orange and I might think it's reddish. Altough, something is clear: I'll never be able to be you, and vice versa. So unless you have daltonism (don't misinterpret me, I'm not saying anything against them), I think the inner experience doesn't matter but the fact we do call every color for their names, no matter the spectrum. Anyways, the reality can be only one, but it can be considered from different points of view. :-) |
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| So many comments that I'm not going to read.... I've seen the dress both white and gold and blue and black >.> @Yenten, funniest video on that dress. Made my morning :) |
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TimeToRepent said: Oh, dat dress... I always saw it as white and gold, but if you incline a bit the screen of your PC/IPhone/Tablet, you may see it as black and light blue. And about MFM's original question, you can gaze a beautiful sunset with me and agree it's beautiful, but you might think it's orange and I might think it's reddish. Altough, something is clear: I'll never be able to be you, and vice versa. So unless you have daltonism (don't misinterpret me, I'm not saying anything against them), I think the inner experience doesn't matter but the fact we do call every color for their names, no matter the spectrum. Anyways, the reality can be only one, but it can be considered from different points of view. :-) You are right, we will never find out unless we can see through another's eye. Do you think there could be an invention in the future that could help us find the solution to this riddle? That is seeing through the eyes of another. Like they show in the movie Gamer. |
| One could say the universe is ever expanding and infinite, going on forever. One could also say that it is finite and one day will stop. I could see it either way, but one of the more "interesting" theories that I have heard of (I don't remember the name of it) is that the Universe will expand and get bigger and bigger, but one day it will stop growing and then slowly start to go in reverse and shrink |
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| Yeah, I like this one! :D I think that our universe is finite and I believe in the multiverse theory, i.e, that there is a set of infinite or finite possible universes, called parallel universes. This being said I don't believe that there is another me in other universe. I think that these universes don't have anything in common! They are independent from one another. They have different "realities" from us. |
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| I would love to get into Multiverse theories, but that is for another time as this is about the "size" of the universe. But in a way you could put the Multiverse theories and parallel worlds into the size of the universe. What if the Universe expanded and then at a certain point/peak it shrunk back again into it's form before expanding, and then after a certain amount of time it would start to expand again? Then we would have to ask, while the universe expands what is all of that "empty" space that it takes up? Or does it just expand and along the way make new space? Because for the universe to expand and occupy an area something had to be there before right? |
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yenten said: I would love to get into Multiverse theories, but that is for another time as this is about the "size" of the universe. But in a way you could put the Multiverse theories and parallel worlds into the size of the universe. What if the Universe expanded and then at a certain point/peak it shrunk back again into it's form before expanding, and then after a certain amount of time it would start to expand again? Then we would have to ask, while the universe expands what is all of that "empty" space that it takes up? Or does it just expand and along the way make new space? Because for the universe to expand and occupy an area something had to be there before right? You're true! Sorry, I just got excited xD I think there's something in that "empty" space! Not really sure what... but I believe that there's something! |
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| If the Universe is a sphere than it could just be one size. Gazillions of light years big and we just haven't been able to see earth yet because of that. Making it one giant sphere in which all the planets, solar systems, and galaxies exist. And then this giant sphere universe could also be part of a much bigger system.. |
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Eiji-chan said: It is also realy hard to just imagine how big the universe actually is. About that 'blank space' no one knowq right? I mean u can also think what was there before the Big bang? Also it is possible that the universe is a sphere like earth meaning there is no end, u just make cirkels. And that can lead to the question: What was there before the big bang? Maybe the big bang came from a Universe that shrink to that point... That is a interesting hypothesis! |
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ShiniTsubaki said: Eiji-chan said: It is also realy hard to just imagine how big the universe actually is. About that 'blank space' no one knowq right? I mean u can also think what was there before the Big bang? Also it is possible that the universe is a sphere like earth meaning there is no end, u just make cirkels. And that can lead to the question: What was there before the big bang? Maybe the big bang came from a Universe that shrink to that point... That is a interesting hypothesis! Ya, it could just be a cycle of expanding and then shrinking |
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Eiji-chan said: ShiniTsubaki said: And that can lead to the question: What was there before the big bang? Maybe the big bang came from a Universe that shrink to that point... That is a interesting hypothesis! I like where u are going to, but then the question remains what was there before that universe? it must have started somwhere? Now we need someone religious to say: God started it all! |
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| I want to answer your thought with another question: Have you ever heard about a theory which states there can be worlds between other worlds? That means, can our universe be between other universes, and those universes be into something bigger, and then so? I think if that's true, the composition of reality is, by very very very very far complex than we can imagine... |
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