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Tenkuu no Shiro Laputa
Tenkuu no Shiro Laputa
Dec 30, 2017 12:55 PM
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Little Witch Academia (TV)
Little Witch Academia (TV)
Jun 26, 2017 5:23 PM
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May 27, 2016 11:12 PM
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Marina27 Dec 24, 2011 10:45 PM
uis Dec 24, 2011 1:50 PM
Wombstone May 30, 2011 11:13 PM
Dude waterfall

watch out

there is a fucking BEAR in your avatar
Sentenal Feb 8, 2011 9:57 PM
True. As you might be able to tell, I'm a huge mecha-fag, so most of my favorite shows are dominated by giant robots beating the crap out of each other
Sentenal Feb 8, 2011 9:52 PM
Honestly, its been YEARS since I watched it. But I absolutely despised Shinji, disliked both Asuka and Rei, and really hated the ending of both the series and movie. Evangelion is a show I probably should give a second chance, but I just have a really bad mental image of it thats hard to shake.
Sentenal Feb 8, 2011 9:37 PM
haha, I'm surprised our Anime compatibility is so high. We must agree on more stuff that we know.
Sentenal Feb 8, 2011 4:53 PM
I forgot, who on were you again?
Marina27 Dec 24, 2010 5:12 AM
Haruhi_Suzimiya Dec 24, 2010 3:08 AM
★Christmas★ 。* 。
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˚ ˛ •˛• | 田田|門| ˚And a Happy New Year !!
qtip Dec 15, 2010 4:36 AM
That's unfortunate, though I wouldn't expect the South to provide much in the way of symphony orchestras, stereotypically speaking.
I just happened to be off of school for the start of San Diego's 2010-2011 season and they were wonderful in deciding to begin with Mahler, so my father took me and my girlfriend for a night out and such (paying for concerts otherwise would be pretty tough, though it would be only about $20 for cheap seats, and Resurrection is well worth it). I'm looking at having to pay probably $70+ to see Godspeed You! Black Emperor in February, so I'll probably be holding off on any concert-going between now and then...
qtip Dec 13, 2010 1:48 PM
Guess who heard Mahler's Second Symphony performed yesterday at the SDSO? :V
lovesign Jul 22, 2010 8:29 PM
Understar Jul 8, 2010 6:46 PM
OOa sup
Shauni Apr 28, 2010 11:17 AM
lol kanon uguu~
qtip Jan 1, 2010 5:13 PM
I guess I'm going to have to do it by sections, then. :<

The part about actual pronunciation and sound making the difference was a bit of a joke and reference to Lolita (I thought the three taps of the tongue would make it obvious. :e), but the point still stands that the term 'elitist' is simply more appealing; the people labeled as elitists tend to adore the term, and those who aren't generally view it in a less appealing light. I would assume that it was at first those who would frown upon this anime elitism who circulated the term into popular use as well, since one sees the more casual anime fan throw the term around much more often. In fact, I once asked a self-proclaimed elitist what it meant to be 'elitist'; he responded by saying that he, like all elitists, wanted to be the best. I, of course, lol'd, but after asking more of these self-proclaimed elitists, I realised that the dictionary term and the commonly accepted term have little correlation at all. I'm positive that answers from those less in favour of this sense of 'anime elitism' would provide more laughable definitions of the term as well, probably something similar to 'arrogant prick' or the like. Your example of the separate otaku class is also relevant because it provides palpable means of classification: I love moe girls, I vote in Saimoe, I have figurines - I am an otaku. What then, would be the qualifications of an anime elitist? 'I like Evangelion and I dislike Elfen Lied - I am an elitist.' seems a bit unrealistic.
I think the root problem here is that you seem to consider C&C to be what people refer to as the 'anime elite'. While, compared to the rest of MAL, a greater percentage of its members have expressed the aforementioned 'developed perspective' and 'experience in thoughtful consideration', many of its members are still just casual anime fans who have watched a decent amount or simply presumptuous fans. A recent example would be that of Luffy's induction; not having seen/read any of One Piece myself and in no position to denounce it, I'm still sceptical that this falls into the commonly accepted idea of elitist taste. Furthermore, I and several others both within and without the club itself (and whose experience in multiple mediums I would more closely identify with highbrow taste) have expressed distaste in the C&C system because of its systematic rigidity and its members; would that create an elitist class above this purported elitist class?
Even then, the tastes of elitist members rarely intersect. Using C&C as an example (only because their numbers are easily accessible), only 8 anime have received an approval vote over 90%, though only one for both the initial vote and the re-vote: You'll notice that five of the eight received fewer than 25 decisive votes due to length, age, obscurity, &c. Also, Honey and Clover II is a sequel, the implications of which you've covered in your Random Anime Analysis blog post. Due to MAL's much lower interest in manga, much of the manga voting tends to become wholly one-sided in this fashion, generally averaging fewer than 20 legitimate votes. With the average being between 70% to 80% positive for the few items that do receive inductions, it's hard to believe that C&C is actually an actual elite group in which 1/5th to 1/4th of the members usually disagree for anime that receive inductions, and much less for other nominated anime.

Yes, but they would be in the elite as leaders of producing works, not in critiquing them. As I said before, critique are artistry are wholly different things; there are some authors – Nabokov, Updike, and Woolf off the top of my head - who were also prominent literary critics, but in literature, film, art, &c., the group of artists and the group of critique are mutually exclusive. Artists create, but they are generally bad judges of the product; the mind of the creator is very different from the mind of his audience.

This is partly my point, as C&C isn't exactly the pinnacle of refinement. Ignorance and what you seem to have construed as bad taste are analogous, really. When someone says 'I like Naruto because I enjoy it', people tend to consider it a marking of a more unconcerned or perhaps inexperienced anime fan, even if there is nothing inherently wrong in liking Naruto. Certainly, a Naruto fan is more likely to be a casual fan uninterested in such silly things as ratings and objective reasoning, but I don't see why someone who goes deep into critique wouldn't like Naruto, either.

Perhaps my diction was a bit off; maybe I should have used 'entertainment' rather than enjoyment. Enjoyment is a wholly subjective idea, whereas entertainment connotes more emphasis on the show than the audience. Code Geass, Gurren Lagann, and Kanon all aim to be entertainment in one form or another (as pure fun or as emotional release), but what if one does not enjoy overdramatic monologues and contrived battle tactics or mindless thirteen-year-olds yelling and spinning drills or large-eyed shallow moe archetypes crying in the snow? Where then is the entertainment and the enjoyment and the emotional release? Of course, from an objective perspective, Kanon melds its melodrama and comedy much more seamlessly than most visual novel adaptations, its script is much less inane, and its aesthetics are inarguably excellent; Gurren Lagann, behind the façade of adrenaline-fueled virility, presents a classic coming-of-age story within an homage to 70's super-robot shows with excellent art and musical direction; and I can't really say anything good about Code Geass in good conscience.
The problem with holism is that it's simply become an excuse in critique and debate, analogous to saying 'well, I guess that it does suck, but it's still good as a whole, see'. People who claim to evaluate 'holistically' fail to see that everyone else does the same, really; I've never seen anyone say of a film or anime 'the script and direction were amazing and writing was flawless, but it looked and sounded pretty bad. Story: 10, Direction: 10, Script: 10, Art: 4, Music: 4. 10 + 10 + 10 + 4 + 4 = 7.6. Oh, I guess it was only 'good' and not the masterpiece I though it was. Oh well.' No. Just because someone might have enough insight to evaluate the pieces as well as the whole doesn't mark him a narrow-sighted reductionist. Certainly a whole might be 'more than the sum of its parts', but the parts still constitute the whole, even if the final product is a synthesisation of the pieces. If a work displays weak direction, scripting, pacing, progression, &c., I highly doubt that somehow the 'whole' will somehow be excellent. However, if it is only lacking in a certain category or another, there is certainly a chance that, when brought together, such flaws might be less noticeable.

It feels arrogant to say this, but 'popular' shows generally appeal to the LCD audience, and with people who consider themselves outside of this LCD being the major contributors to actual discussions, it's pretty common to see more hate for popular stuff than support. You're looking at the wrong thread(s) as well; it says explicitly in the original post: 'You will simply type in your vote of 'Yes', 'No', 'I don't know this character' or 'Abstained'. If you don't know this character it is still very important that you respond to this poll with the third option.' For the actual discussion threads of that week: Battle Angel Alita, Dennou Coil, Ergo Proxy, Louise, Zeta Gundam.
See, when you call midori- elitist, it shows that there's a clear divergence in definition of elitist traits. I don't see anything more than an angry fangirl in midori, and having FIRST O'ALL a list of popular anime she hates/doesn't like just makes her seem more like a self-righteous, self-proclaimed nonconformist (the only kind of nonconformist) than someone with a well-considered opinion to share. Anyway, it just seems like angry fangirl flaimbait than genuine insight into the finer points of the series. I think your impression of this 'anime elitism' is simply that of angry, arrogrant fans flaming popular series and indulging in niche anime for the sake of nonconformism... though given that you've had most of these discussions on IRC, I can understand why.

Five of the six are on MAL's 50 most popular anime (and so is Great Teacher Onizuka, actually), with GitS not far behind. In fact, two of these are more widely watched than Gurren Lagann, which you claim is 'too popular'. And I'm actually surprised at how popular Elfen Lied is, really; I knew that it was notorious and widely-watched, but not to that extent.

Influence does make a work a classic, though. Citizen Kane, anyone?
Now, the thing about Love Hina is that it was popular, but not necessarily influential. Identical ideas had been present since Maison Ikkoku and Kimagure Orange Road over a decade prior, and harem anime had been popular since Ranma and Tenchi. Love Hina just happened to be a harem series during a time when harem was becoming a much more prevalent genre in anime (also notably during the switch from cel art to cg). Nowhere near something to be called a 'classic' in any sense.
Macross has received nominations but hasn't been spotlighted, though Do You Remember Love? has been. The problem with Astro Boy and Yamato are that, while they are easily some of the most well-known classics, few have actually watched them due to their age and most anime fans being rather young and sadly averse to older animation. It's similar to how so well-recognised works like War and Peace, Seven Samurai, Don Quixote, &c. are without many actually having read/watched them. With only about 340 users on MAL have watched Yamato or Astro Boy, and the expectation of members not to engage in blind critique, I don't see how or why these would get nominated.
And again, this seems like a red herring. In fact, you might be further displaying that whether or not someone considers something is a 'classic' means nothing as to whether s/he likes the work at hand. Even if it was included by influence, who's to say that members think that it should be inducted based on influence alone or whether personal taste is a more acceptable basis? With as many holes in logic as this, one can't be expected to give a concrete answer. Recently, though, there was a discussion on Top wo Nerae, which would be akin to Evangelion's predecessor, to which an often reply was that a user personally didn't enjoy the series much, but realised its heavy influence in all modern anime. Likewise, I'm sure many also believed that even if it was a classic, personal taste mattered more, hence the no votes.

And have you tried reading his Discourse on Method and Meditations? I've never read anything more presumptuous and self-righteous with the pretense of modesty in my life, and I've read the majority of the German romantics'/existentialists'/nihilists/ works.