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Nov 29, 2023 8:52 PM
#1
| Step 1 The Meaning of Scores: The scores of mal are not the same as the mal scale. A 5/10 rating on the mal bored is never a show considered average. So the first thing you need to understand is what the score means: 1-3.99 = comically dog shit, often to the point of so bad it's good 4-5.99 = it's bad 6-6.99 = This is what mal considers average or subpar. 7-7.99 = this is what mal considers a good show 8-8.5 = this is what mal considers a great show that people generally really like 8.5-1st place = generally considered some of the best, with them being an all time favourite to so many people Step 2 The Sequel Bias and How it Actually Works: A lot of people don't actually get how sequel bias works so I am here to explain it. The general idea is that when a something gets a new season, it gets a boost that elevates it, because a lot of the people who disliked the show's core would have dropped it on an earlier season. But that's not the whole story. The thing about sequel bias, is that it only applies to shows that give the audience the same thing but better. with stories that have massive shifts in the direction of the story, the boost becomes less and less relevant. and example of that is made in abyss. If you were to package all the seasons into one entry, I can almost guarantee that it would have a higher score that every single season on it's own. because of how wildly different the approach of each entry is, every part is a different persons favourite. So, there isn't much of a boost for it being a sequel. because There are people who hated the movie and loved s1, ones that felt eh on s1 and loved the rest, ones that love everything but s2 and so on. This is true to different degrees for many different shows, but I used made in abyss as an example because it's the biggest example of the sequel boost not being applied. Step 3 The Hype: This one is pretty simple, shows that are hyped, get a massive boost depending on the size of that hype. but that boost wear's off soon after they finished. the safest way to see if a show was getting THAT high of a rating because of hype or not is to wait a few months and see how much it has dropped. Look at fruits basket, or kaguya season 3, and then look at spy x family and chainsaw man. Not that the other two are bad shows, but the drop from top 10 to a 8.5 shows that they had a massive hype boost. Step 4 The Older Shows Are Better: On my anime list, generally, the scores drop over time. they don't even have to be bad for this. There are very very few shows on this website that increase in score over time due to a variety of different factors. So, Considering this, the longer a show has been on mal, the longer it has been dropping in score. This is why it can always seem like the top charts are newer shows. it's not because there aren't older shows that could get there. it was because staying is the hard part. So a show with a score of 8.5 that came out ten years ago, would normally have more weight behind than one that came out last year. Step 5 The Normie Bias: This one is once again pretty simple. If a show is popular or/and/both casual friendly enough to reach the hearts of newer fans, it generally has an easier time getting a high rating. Something like demon slayer would never get so high without the sheer amount of newer fans who love it, and something like legend of the galactic heroes would never get THAT high without being great. So, If you see an art house show that would scare your average shounen fan on twitter, the score is probably way lower than it should be. Step 6: The One That Appealed To It's Fans: A massive factor is appealing to the fans of what you are. if you make a shounen that can make specifically shounen fans love the shit out of it, you'll earn your high score. Even if it's something that anyone outside that fanbase would hate. This isn't even a mal thing. It's an every kind of media thing. Just look at the user scores for the fnaf movie. Step 7 The Weak Start Bias: Shows that have weaker starts compared to how they end, have the issue of being dropped by a lot of people who scored them. This doesn't apply as much to more well known shows, since their reputation helps most people get through them. but lesser known shows that "get good later" normally burn and die in score because a huge number of people dropped and scored them before they "got good". Step 8 MAL's drop rule: If you have seen less than 20% of a show that is finished before dropping it, your score will not count. Which is a good thing, but It does give longer shows an advantage. Afterword The End is Here There is more to it than that, but this should give you a general idea on how to look at the scores, and get the most out of it. |
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Nov 29, 2023 9:38 PM
#2
| Bruh I spend 30 minutes writing this, give me at least 1 reply lol |
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Nov 29, 2023 10:00 PM
#3
| i have a fear that people will bombard re:zero s3 with 1 stars, despite the fact that s3 part 2 (if its split in 2 that is- arc 6) deserves top 10 permanently imo, if done right ofc. Sadly there are too many haters who rate future seasons despite dropping it, or watching even if they hate it for the sake of downvoting. A pity. I am manifesting that the sequel bias takes a strong clutch on it. |
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Nov 29, 2023 10:13 PM
#4
| You hit a lot of topics, but failed to mention demographics are destiny. Series are built around catering to specific demographics. A shounen may have huge amount of fans who love it, but ultimately women will rate it low if it lacks hot guys. Men will rate a show very low for gay guys. This is why stuff like gintama and fmab are on top. Gintoki has mass female appeal while the violence and comedy can target men. Fmab is written by a women so it likely appeals to them too just as much as it does the shounen core audience. All josei are doomed for lower ranks since it heavily clashes with the male taste. Same for ecchi clashing with the taste of women. |
Nov 29, 2023 10:14 PM
#5
| I look at ratings this way: 7+: Pretty good show, the actual number is irrelevant past 7 5-6.99: Average/mid show, may not be the best art or story but you should at least watch an episode or two 4-4.99: Pretty objectively bad, maybe look at the PV first 1-3.99: Don’t watch the show, just read the reviews and it’ll probably be more entertaining |
My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
Nov 29, 2023 10:20 PM
#6
Reply to Blueberry173
i have a fear that people will bombard re:zero s3 with 1 stars, despite the fact that s3 part 2 (if its split in 2 that is- arc 6) deserves top 10 permanently imo, if done right ofc.
Sadly there are too many haters who rate future seasons despite dropping it, or watching even if they hate it for the sake of downvoting. A pity.
I am manifesting that the sequel bias takes a strong clutch on it.
Sadly there are too many haters who rate future seasons despite dropping it, or watching even if they hate it for the sake of downvoting. A pity.
I am manifesting that the sequel bias takes a strong clutch on it.
| @Blueberry173 Imma have to read the LN before commenting on this. I have a lot of problems with the anime despite also liking a lot of other aspects of it. I've heard nothing but "this shit is a masterpiece" about arc 6 in particular though. |
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Nov 29, 2023 10:23 PM
#7
Reply to rohan121
You hit a lot of topics, but failed to mention demographics are destiny. Series are built around catering to specific demographics. A shounen may have huge amount of fans who love it, but ultimately women will rate it low if it lacks hot guys. Men will rate a show very low for gay guys. This is why stuff like gintama and fmab are on top. Gintoki has mass female appeal while the violence and comedy can target men. Fmab is written by a women so it likely appeals to them too just as much as it does the shounen core audience. All josei are doomed for lower ranks since it heavily clashes with the male taste. Same for ecchi clashing with the taste of women.
| @rohan121 Yeah that is definitely true. I didn't want to be too specific. I would argue what you mentioned here is kinda a mix of "step 5" and "step 6". |
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Nov 29, 2023 10:25 PM
#8
Reply to Remocracy
I look at ratings this way:
7+: Pretty good show, the actual number is irrelevant past 7
5-6.99: Average/mid show, may not be the best art or story but you should at least watch an episode or two
4-4.99: Pretty objectively bad, maybe look at the PV first
1-3.99: Don’t watch the show, just read the reviews and it’ll probably be more entertaining
7+: Pretty good show, the actual number is irrelevant past 7
5-6.99: Average/mid show, may not be the best art or story but you should at least watch an episode or two
4-4.99: Pretty objectively bad, maybe look at the PV first
1-3.99: Don’t watch the show, just read the reviews and it’ll probably be more entertaining
Remocracy said: 7+: Pretty good show, the actual number is irrelevant past 7 You really think that? Like, look through the seasonal charts, and all the 7-8 shows. and then compare them to top 50. I don't think even you would agree with yourself on this. |
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Nov 29, 2023 10:27 PM
#9
| @Ashok_Kumar It's not THAT long. The first and second step are the only longer ones. everything after that is like 3-5 lines for each step. |
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Nov 29, 2023 10:46 PM
#10
Reply to APolygons2
Remocracy said:
7+: Pretty good show, the actual number is irrelevant past 7
7+: Pretty good show, the actual number is irrelevant past 7
You really think that?
Like, look through the seasonal charts, and all the 7-8 shows. and then compare them to top 50. I don't think even you would agree with yourself on this.
| @APolygons2 yeah i agree with you on this, a 10/10 has a huge difference over a 7/10 for me, kinda the opposite to this person, if i rate anything lower than 6, its just all trash and doesnt matter to me, meanwhile a 7 is not even comparable to 10. |
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Nov 29, 2023 11:31 PM
#11
| You made the critical mistake of thinking people would read all this lol. Step 4 was on interesting read though there a few outliers over the years, very true point. |
Nov 30, 2023 1:47 AM
#12
| Interesting guide. Just two important things are missing in my opinion: 8) animation is by far the most important aspect affecting scores (just compare different seasons of the same series with different animation quality), way more than writing 9) the bias against ecchi or other kinds of sexual content: it's not that ecchi are rated lower because they're usually "sillier", the average MAL users are so prudish that they systematically rate any sexual content lower. - Kaguya-sama OVAs: 8.15 vs 7.58 (non-ecchi OVA vs ecchi OVA) - Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou first and second OVAs: 7.40 vs 7.13 (the second OVA has a minor scene showing naked breasts and it was punished hard for that) other random thoughts: 2) sequel bias will always exist as long some people stopped watching MiA s1 because they disliked it and rated it low. Considering that now both seasons have the same score, I'm inclined to think that most people liked s1 more (btw that's also my opinion); some people may think the opposite but they should be in the minority. 3) hype = fans of the source material (or of the previous seasons in case of sequels) watching the show as soon as possible and rating it high, so it basically works like sequel bias 4) I think that when the score of an old show increases, it's because it was officially licensed for the first time in certain countries, basically giving it an influx of new anime watchers as if it were a brand new anime 7) animation is even more important at the beginning, the impact of good writing becomes more evident in the long run (e.g. Shirobako and Houseki no Kuni raising from 7.0-7.1 to 8.3-8.5). |
Nov 30, 2023 2:26 AM
#13
| Well, that's mal scores in the nutshell. some random thing, score between 7 - 7.99 (and even up to low 8) is irrelevant imo. It can mean anything from "oh this is the best thing ever, why it wasn't any higher rated" to "yea, this is dogshit" and you can't just blindly went with the score and think you might enjoyed it. Anything 8.3+ generally mean you gonna find it good (even if you didn't love it) and below 6.99 mean yea, you can pretty much assume it's dogshit which I think score are actually for, to know if you gonna like it or not. |
thetkakakaNov 30, 2023 2:34 AM
Nov 30, 2023 2:36 AM
#14
| i will just say the scores on a site that can be so easily manipulated by alts and review bombed are not to be taken seriously. they are absolutely joke. |
The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
Nov 30, 2023 2:36 AM
#15
Nov 30, 2023 3:41 AM
#16
| The only guideline is not to pay attention to it and watch everything that you feel you might like. If I based myself on the scores in MAL I wouldn't have seen even half of what I saw and I certainly enjoyed it. |
Sorry if I write something incorrect, English is not my native language. |
Nov 30, 2023 4:00 AM
#17
Reply to Nirinbo
Interesting guide. Just two important things are missing in my opinion:
8) animation is by far the most important aspect affecting scores (just compare different seasons of the same series with different animation quality), way more than writing
9) the bias against ecchi or other kinds of sexual content: it's not that ecchi are rated lower because they're usually "sillier", the average MAL users are so prudish that they systematically rate any sexual content lower.
- Kaguya-sama OVAs: 8.15 vs 7.58 (non-ecchi OVA vs ecchi OVA)
- Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou first and second OVAs: 7.40 vs 7.13 (the second OVA has a minor scene showing naked breasts and it was punished hard for that)
other random thoughts:
2) sequel bias will always exist as long some people stopped watching MiA s1 because they disliked it and rated it low. Considering that now both seasons have the same score, I'm inclined to think that most people liked s1 more (btw that's also my opinion); some people may think the opposite but they should be in the minority.
3) hype = fans of the source material (or of the previous seasons in case of sequels) watching the show as soon as possible and rating it high, so it basically works like sequel bias
4) I think that when the score of an old show increases, it's because it was officially licensed for the first time in certain countries, basically giving it an influx of new anime watchers as if it were a brand new anime
7) animation is even more important at the beginning, the impact of good writing becomes more evident in the long run (e.g. Shirobako and Houseki no Kuni raising from 7.0-7.1 to 8.3-8.5).
8) animation is by far the most important aspect affecting scores (just compare different seasons of the same series with different animation quality), way more than writing
9) the bias against ecchi or other kinds of sexual content: it's not that ecchi are rated lower because they're usually "sillier", the average MAL users are so prudish that they systematically rate any sexual content lower.
- Kaguya-sama OVAs: 8.15 vs 7.58 (non-ecchi OVA vs ecchi OVA)
- Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou first and second OVAs: 7.40 vs 7.13 (the second OVA has a minor scene showing naked breasts and it was punished hard for that)
other random thoughts:
2) sequel bias will always exist as long some people stopped watching MiA s1 because they disliked it and rated it low. Considering that now both seasons have the same score, I'm inclined to think that most people liked s1 more (btw that's also my opinion); some people may think the opposite but they should be in the minority.
3) hype = fans of the source material (or of the previous seasons in case of sequels) watching the show as soon as possible and rating it high, so it basically works like sequel bias
4) I think that when the score of an old show increases, it's because it was officially licensed for the first time in certain countries, basically giving it an influx of new anime watchers as if it were a brand new anime
7) animation is even more important at the beginning, the impact of good writing becomes more evident in the long run (e.g. Shirobako and Houseki no Kuni raising from 7.0-7.1 to 8.3-8.5).
Nirinbo said: 8) animation is by far the most important aspect affecting scores (just compare different seasons of the same series with different animation quality), way more than writing I am inclined to disagree. firstly, it's a case by case thing. weaker animation only has a huge affect on action shows. And even then the affect is not nearly as massive as you would think. Look at AOT s4 p1, and JoJo part 6, they had pretty massive drop in animation quality compared to their previous season, but the still stand tall as very beloved seasons. And those are action shows. like look at the konosuba spin off, it's animation was a lot weaker than s2 or the movie, but no one really complained about the visuals. most people didn't even notice. Nirinbo said: 9) the bias against ecchi or other kinds of sexual content: it's not that ecchi are rated lower because they're usually "sillier", the average MAL users are so prudish that they systematically rate any sexual content lower. This once again, depends on the show. one of the monogatari seasons got to n1 at mal at some points, and that's an ecchi. and just looks something like my dress up darling, a huge reason for why so beloved is people being horny for marin. Nirinbo said: 2) sequel bias will always exist as long some people stopped watching MiA s1 because they disliked Here's the problem. The people who disliked s1, and dropped it, could have easily loved season 2 or the movie due to how widely different it is. Imagine someone dropped abyss 5 episodes in. if you have seen the show, you know that there are so many things later, that they can love about the show further one, that may not even be in those episodes. on the other hand, someone who loves those 5 episodes, could very well hate what the show becomes later on. This is why the seasons being massively different in direction from each other, can massively soften the sequel bias. If you talk to made in abyss fans, there isn't exactly a fan favourite arc. everyone just disagrees with each other. |
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Nov 30, 2023 4:24 AM
#18
| This is good but you should also include the length of the show aka the 20% watched rule. Maybe put it at 8th right after the weak start. Try comparing Monster and Gintama for example. One needs only 15 eps for a vote to count compared to the latter's 41 eps. Similar case with Lotgh and Hxh 2011. |
Nov 30, 2023 4:27 AM
#19
| Every show that is completed by someone is above 5 ig.If the show is really below that then people will drop it. |
Nov 30, 2023 4:28 AM
#20
Reply to TRC_Randy
This is good but you should also include the length of the show aka the 20% watched rule. Maybe put it at 8th right after the weak start.
Try comparing Monster and Gintama for example. One needs only 15 eps for a vote to count compared to the latter's 41 eps. Similar case with Lotgh and Hxh 2011.
Try comparing Monster and Gintama for example. One needs only 15 eps for a vote to count compared to the latter's 41 eps. Similar case with Lotgh and Hxh 2011.
| @TRC_Randy I feel like thats pretty fair though. the longer a show is, the more time you should give before judging it. I don't even how that would help you decide how good a show is. |
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Nov 30, 2023 4:30 AM
#21
Reply to RaNgO0
Every show that is completed by someone is above 5 ig.If the show is really below that then people will drop it.
| @RaNgO0 Bro that is cap, people have finished shows at the bottom 10 of mal. |
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Nov 30, 2023 4:33 AM
#22
Reply to APolygons2
Nirinbo said:
8) animation is by far the most important aspect affecting scores (just compare different seasons of the same series with different animation quality), way more than writing
8) animation is by far the most important aspect affecting scores (just compare different seasons of the same series with different animation quality), way more than writing
I am inclined to disagree.
firstly, it's a case by case thing. weaker animation only has a huge affect on action shows.
And even then the affect is not nearly as massive as you would think.
Look at AOT s4 p1, and JoJo part 6, they had pretty massive drop in animation quality compared to their previous season, but the still stand tall as very beloved seasons.
And those are action shows. like look at the konosuba spin off, it's animation was a lot weaker than s2 or the movie, but no one really complained about the visuals. most people didn't even notice.
Nirinbo said:
9) the bias against ecchi or other kinds of sexual content: it's not that ecchi are rated lower because they're usually "sillier", the average MAL users are so prudish that they systematically rate any sexual content lower.
9) the bias against ecchi or other kinds of sexual content: it's not that ecchi are rated lower because they're usually "sillier", the average MAL users are so prudish that they systematically rate any sexual content lower.
This once again, depends on the show. one of the monogatari seasons got to n1 at mal at some points, and that's an ecchi. and just looks something like my dress up darling, a huge reason for why so beloved is people being horny for marin.
Nirinbo said:
2) sequel bias will always exist as long some people stopped watching MiA s1 because they disliked
2) sequel bias will always exist as long some people stopped watching MiA s1 because they disliked
Here's the problem.
The people who disliked s1, and dropped it, could have easily loved season 2 or the movie due to how widely different it is. Imagine someone dropped abyss 5 episodes in.
if you have seen the show, you know that there are so many things later, that they can love about the show further one, that may not even be in those episodes.
on the other hand, someone who loves those 5 episodes, could very well hate what the show becomes later on. This is why the seasons being massively different in direction from each other, can massively soften the sequel bias.
If you talk to made in abyss fans, there isn't exactly a fan favourite arc. everyone just disagrees with each other.
APolygons2 said: Look at AOT s4 p1, and JoJo part 6, they had pretty massive drop in animation quality compared to their previous season, but the still stand tall as very beloved seasons. They're rated fairly high (but still lower than their previous seasons) thanks to the sequel bias but if we could ignore that (= taking into account only the scores given by those who watched every season), the difference would be massive. I did that with Haikyuu!! and the small sample size of my MAL friends: although s1 is currently rated lower than To The Top part 2, if I only considered the scores of those who watched both, s1 is actually rated much higher. APolygons2 said: This once again, depends on the show. one of the monogatari seasons got to n1 at mal at some points, and that's an ecchi. and just looks something like my dress up darling, a huge reason for why so beloved is people being horny for marin. The only Monogatari parts tagged as ecchi are Neko Kuro, Nise and Tsuki; they're all among the lowest rated Monogatari parts. Regarding My Dress up Darling, I think that the very good animation counterbalanced the bias against ecchi: it's not like it's impossible for an ecchi anime to get a high score, I'm saying that My Dress up Darling would be rated even higher if it were tamer (even though an ecchi fan would like it less in that case). |
Nov 30, 2023 6:16 AM
#23
| "Seven reasons why you shouldn't pay attention to average scores on MAL...and of that matter on other sites too." Yeah, we knew that already. |
Nov 30, 2023 6:22 AM
#24
| You've forgotten about this: art/visual > plot. Even the story is sh!t or they haven't understood anything about the plot. As long as the art or visuals are good, they'll still consider it good and give a higher score. On the contrary, if the story is good but the art is sh!t, they'll consider it as trash. |
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Nov 30, 2023 6:46 AM
#25
Reply to APolygons2
@TRC_Randy I feel like thats pretty fair though. the longer a show is, the more time you should give before judging it.
I don't even how that would help you decide how good a show is.
I don't even how that would help you decide how good a show is.
| @APolygons2 ofc it ain't bcoz we're just talking about MAL score not how good the anime itself is? |
Nov 30, 2023 6:57 AM
#26
Reply to APolygons2
Bruh I spend 30 minutes writing this, give me at least 1 reply lol
| @APolygons2 I can summarise it better in 1 sentence : The average taste of MAL is trash, scores don't really mean anything. |
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Nov 30, 2023 7:05 AM
#27
Reply to TRC_Randy
@APolygons2 ofc it ain't bcoz we're just talking about MAL score not how good the anime itself is?
| @TRC_Randy Well yeah, What I'm asking is, would being longer boost the score or lower it considering the feature that you mentioned? like how would we use that information to understand if mal considers something good or not? |
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Nov 30, 2023 7:09 AM
#28
Reply to AkeZZZ
You've forgotten about this: art/visual > plot. Even the story is sh!t or they haven't understood anything about the plot. As long as the art or visuals are good, they'll still consider it good and give a higher score. On the contrary, if the story is good but the art is sh!t, they'll consider it as trash.
AkeZZZ said: if the story is good but the art is sh!t, they'll consider it as trash. I really don't think so, there are a lot of shows with ok productions that are beloved because of their story and characters. Odd taxi is probably the biggest example of this. but there also stuff like great teacher onizuka, AOT s4p1, or monster. not that any of these look bad. but their visuals are as good as the story of some of the shows that are highly acclaimed. Except maybe demon slayer, that one is the sole exception for some god damn reason lol |
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Nov 30, 2023 7:27 AM
#29
Reply to APolygons2
@TRC_Randy Well yeah,
What I'm asking is, would being longer boost the score or lower it considering the feature that you mentioned?
like how would we use that information to understand if mal considers something good or not?
What I'm asking is, would being longer boost the score or lower it considering the feature that you mentioned?
like how would we use that information to understand if mal considers something good or not?
APolygons2 said: oh okay.@TRC_Randy Well yeah, What I'm asking is, would being longer boost the score or lower it considering the feature that you mentioned? Yes it does boost/bring down the score. 1. Monster needs only 15 eps for a vote to count, Gintama 41 (due to MAL's rule). 2. Less people are gonna drop after watching 41 eps compared to 15. 3. People usually give low scores to shows they drop, dragging down their weighted score. 4. Monster's weighted score is dragged down more than Gintama's. And you can see this rule in action under their stats for ex Monster has more 10s and 9s and less lower scores than Gintama yet the latter has a higher weighted score. |
Nov 30, 2023 7:53 AM
#30
Reply to APolygons2
Nirinbo said:
8) animation is by far the most important aspect affecting scores (just compare different seasons of the same series with different animation quality), way more than writing
8) animation is by far the most important aspect affecting scores (just compare different seasons of the same series with different animation quality), way more than writing
I am inclined to disagree.
firstly, it's a case by case thing. weaker animation only has a huge affect on action shows.
And even then the affect is not nearly as massive as you would think.
Look at AOT s4 p1, and JoJo part 6, they had pretty massive drop in animation quality compared to their previous season, but the still stand tall as very beloved seasons.
And those are action shows. like look at the konosuba spin off, it's animation was a lot weaker than s2 or the movie, but no one really complained about the visuals. most people didn't even notice.
Nirinbo said:
9) the bias against ecchi or other kinds of sexual content: it's not that ecchi are rated lower because they're usually "sillier", the average MAL users are so prudish that they systematically rate any sexual content lower.
9) the bias against ecchi or other kinds of sexual content: it's not that ecchi are rated lower because they're usually "sillier", the average MAL users are so prudish that they systematically rate any sexual content lower.
This once again, depends on the show. one of the monogatari seasons got to n1 at mal at some points, and that's an ecchi. and just looks something like my dress up darling, a huge reason for why so beloved is people being horny for marin.
Nirinbo said:
2) sequel bias will always exist as long some people stopped watching MiA s1 because they disliked
2) sequel bias will always exist as long some people stopped watching MiA s1 because they disliked
Here's the problem.
The people who disliked s1, and dropped it, could have easily loved season 2 or the movie due to how widely different it is. Imagine someone dropped abyss 5 episodes in.
if you have seen the show, you know that there are so many things later, that they can love about the show further one, that may not even be in those episodes.
on the other hand, someone who loves those 5 episodes, could very well hate what the show becomes later on. This is why the seasons being massively different in direction from each other, can massively soften the sequel bias.
If you talk to made in abyss fans, there isn't exactly a fan favourite arc. everyone just disagrees with each other.
APolygons2 said: This once again, depends on the show. one of the monogatari seasons got to n1 at mal at some points, and that's an ecchi. and just looks something like my dress up darling, a huge reason for why so beloved is people being horny for marin. Ecchi tag is always here on mal... Those example you're giving are pretty much very tame in my opinion (I only have opinion on dress darling btw but i believe those Monogatari series are soft too). You can also make same argument for Mushoku Tensei (which the ecchi are more harder than those two) if we just talked about ecchi tag in its genre. Please remember that ecchies in those titles ARENT the main dish of the show, it can be described as "without ecchi element on them, they will did just fine". Thus the tax ISNT really working on these anime although it still do a small margin. The ecchi tax i believed we talked about is in the show that fully utilize it for the plot device, for example titles like To love Ru and DxD. For ecchi fan, it's one of the most popular and good ecchi anime in general. But ofc it DIDNT appeal for general masses. Therefore, the ecchi tax applied. Imagine both series without ecchies element on it, it would be disaster. Also dont forgot about cursed Ecchi-harem combo that gives the taxes much higher. |
Nov 30, 2023 9:13 AM
#31
Reply to APolygons2
@TRC_Randy Well yeah,
What I'm asking is, would being longer boost the score or lower it considering the feature that you mentioned?
like how would we use that information to understand if mal considers something good or not?
What I'm asking is, would being longer boost the score or lower it considering the feature that you mentioned?
like how would we use that information to understand if mal considers something good or not?
APolygons2 said: What I'm asking is, would being longer boost the score or lower it considering the feature that you mentioned? I was planning to compliment your guide up until you said this. Everyone knows the longest shows have the highest scores. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is rated above other art house projects NOT because it's better, but because it's LONGER. Viewers who dislike the show drop it before their scores are counted, so the votes you see are all votes of devoted fans who like that kind of stuff. You can clearly see this by checking the top anime. Of all the short series aired over a year ago that aren't sequels, only Stains;Gate and Cowboy Bebop are in the top 50. Your step 6 also explains why many books and manga are rated above their respective adaptations: People outside the target audience are less likely to read source material. There are a small number of anime with bad scores that I actively recommend. Most do not take themselves very seriously. https://myanimelist.net/anime/2755/Cleopatra https://myanimelist.net/anime/8372/Makoto-chan https://myanimelist.net/anime/32438/Mayoiga https://myanimelist.net/anime/36976/Cutie_Honey_Universe https://myanimelist.net/anime/48614/Wonder_Egg_Priority__Watashi_no_Priority I think people watched these with the wrong expectations. I don't feel that Made in Abyss changes much over time. Perhaps I dropped it too soon. |
| その目だれの目? |
Nov 30, 2023 10:01 AM
#32
| I think this summarizes it better 10-7.5 MAL considers it good 7.4-1.0 Mal considers it bad |
Dec 1, 2023 1:28 PM
#33
| Yeah, very informative, thank you very much. |
Dec 1, 2023 9:42 PM
#34
Reply to APolygons2
Remocracy said:
7+: Pretty good show, the actual number is irrelevant past 7
7+: Pretty good show, the actual number is irrelevant past 7
You really think that?
Like, look through the seasonal charts, and all the 7-8 shows. and then compare them to top 50. I don't think even you would agree with yourself on this.
| @APolygons2 I don’t use rating as a basis to determine what I watch or not, I read the description and look at the genres/themes to decide |
My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
Dec 1, 2023 10:07 PM
#35
| This is very informative as a whole. Though a slight disagreement on the distribution of scores. The average or subpar category can be extended up till 7.49. A large share of those shows have not been received very warmly by quite a few people I've seen. |
Dec 1, 2023 10:11 PM
#36
Dec 1, 2023 11:42 PM
#37
| Actually a pretty good summary I would say. On the hype part, I would personally say that Chainsaw Man is a bad example because the real hype from the manga comes from things that have not been animated yet. So I would rather say that the hype was misdirected, not unwarranted (like some people would understand when reading your explanation). |
DarkFirefly72Dec 2, 2023 1:39 AM
"Those words are meant for those that dare defy god's final warning... An epigraph of their stubbornness" - Maho Hiyajo (Steins;Gate 0) |
Dec 3, 2023 2:42 AM
#38
Reply to APolygons2
@RaNgO0 Bro that is cap, people have finished shows at the bottom 10 of mal.
| @APolygons2 Do you really think People will really watch anime that bad and not fake rate them |
Dec 3, 2023 3:37 AM
#39
| I shall give you a medal for spending your time to make this detailed guide regarding MAL scores. Very informative. But... Let's be honest, not many of us would care about the show's ratings anymore especially due to the fact it can be manipulated by bots anyway. |
Dec 3, 2023 3:45 AM
#40
| Very good comprehensive list, I hadn't looked at it like this before. |
Dec 3, 2023 4:36 AM
#41
| this is a really good analysis. very thought out and accurate! |
Dec 3, 2023 5:07 AM
#42
Reply to rohan121
You hit a lot of topics, but failed to mention demographics are destiny. Series are built around catering to specific demographics. A shounen may have huge amount of fans who love it, but ultimately women will rate it low if it lacks hot guys. Men will rate a show very low for gay guys. This is why stuff like gintama and fmab are on top. Gintoki has mass female appeal while the violence and comedy can target men. Fmab is written by a women so it likely appeals to them too just as much as it does the shounen core audience. All josei are doomed for lower ranks since it heavily clashes with the male taste. Same for ecchi clashing with the taste of women.
| @rohan121 "Gintoki has mass female appeal while the violence and comedy can target men" ...I like to think girls like gintoki bc of his personality lol |
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Dec 3, 2023 5:29 AM
#43
| The biggest is people that score shows might have different takes than people who don't. Likely they will be more particular and opinionated than non scoring viewers and the non scoring viewers are actually a huge majority for every show these days. Shows with a controversial topic or characters can either have a quite high score or very low score depending which type of viewers wound up in majority and how it was presented. |
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Dec 3, 2023 5:41 AM
#44
Reply to RaNgO0
@APolygons2 Do you really think People will really watch anime that bad and not fake rate them
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Dec 3, 2023 7:30 AM
#45
| ngl... I didn't bother to read the OP. I don't need or want a guide (lecture) to MAL scoring. To me, it's pointless. When I finish an anime, I'm ready to move on to the next, not spend however long trying to calculate where on the scale it rates amongst all the other anime I've watched. That is the primary reason I don't rate/score anime. Too many people seem to worry about how their tastes/scores compare to others, be it the majority or on an average. I like what I like, and I don't care whether anyone else (let alone the majority) agrees with me or not. |
You're never too old to watch anime. If I ever stop watching anime, check my pulse I'm likely dead. I wake up with coffee & anime, I go to sleep with coffee & anime. Sorry if my sarcasm is bad, it's not my first language. |
Dec 3, 2023 8:16 AM
#46
| It's quite simple – just ignore them. And if you happen to pay more attention to them, don't take them seriously and instead just laugh of how bad they are |
Dec 3, 2023 6:35 PM
#47
| It's so funny that people take scoring to this level, yet scores are so abused on this site as to become meaningless. I only care about my own (a.k.a MY anime list), or individual scores not site scores. I try to be consistent with my scoring and reviews to help people decide if the handful of anime I actually complete are worth watching (or not). If I'm biased and scored higher than it deserved I just say so. I've had a few people watch anime I've reviewed/recommended based on the review. I've even recommended things that were objectively bad, on pure entertainment value. I also enjoyed explaining exactly why I thought Non-non Biyori was kinda shit, knowing it deviates from the norm, because it gives people a different perspective (and probably calls out things they had forgiven it for) I fully expect the site to fill up with trolls giving everything 1s and 10s. Might as well not encourage them. |
Dec 3, 2023 8:33 PM
#48
| I don't like to score animes that I dropped, I feel like my thoughts have no value because I didn't watch them in their entirety. Pd. I read all your guide, it was cool lol |
Dec 4, 2023 2:52 AM
#49
| scores work like this: 10-8: anitubers and social media shilled these so hard the normies jumped onto the hype train 7-6: absolutely good anime, voted down because of fanservice or something else that doesn't sit well with normies. 5: average enjoyable anime and older shows mostly, that only those watch who care about anime. any score under 5 indicates that something isn't right with the show- you might still find them fun if you watch them for the wrong reason. |
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