Attack on Titan
| I'm kinda surprised. Everyone told me it was the absolute worst, and this show being to me a masterpiece, I remember being outraged of how people would give the entire show "1" because of the end. Yet, here I am, in my bed, speechless before what I just watched. I think it was an amazing ending, in fact, I think it couldn't have been any better. It was literally the best ending I could have ever expected. So can someone explain me why the hell is everyone so angry about? Because personally, I didn't expect a lame ending with simply the wars ending and eldia being at peace wether because all of humanity was decimated or because they successfuly made peace. This mind blowing and deeply philosophical content is exactly what I hoped for, and thank you Isayama for what you did. My best wishes |
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If you've never swam in the ocean then of course a pool seems deep.
| @Bugsbunnyfake "Oh look at me I'm so knowledgeable" It's all subjective in the end, that's all there is to it. |
| Don't let the vocal minority influence your expectations or your opinions. And make sure to enjoy whatever you do. |
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Zprotu said:
@Bugsbunnyfake "Oh look at me I'm so knowledgeable"
It's all subjective in the end, that's all there is to it.
@Bugsbunnyfake "Oh look at me I'm so knowledgeable"
It's all subjective in the end, that's all there is to it.
If ignorance is a bliss then you must be the happiest person in the world.
| @Bugsbunnyfake Bro thinks it's really that deep. Face it, the vast majority label the ending as a work of art and to say that they all know nothing about endings is fallacious. WalterBlack59 said: ecause it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong. There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa. @WalterBlack59 Lol did we watch the same thing? If you're unable to comprehend the story, there is no need to make things up about it in an attempt to do so. |
ZprotuNov 9, 2023 11:09 PM
| Because "I am an idiot" is a cop out answer for why he couldn't find an alternative to becoming a literal mega Hitler. There are so many plot holes introduced by the fact that he gained all those memories after kissing Historia's hand, then they refuse to address them. Paradis Island didn't even try to solve their problem diplomatically and make Kim Jong Un look like a saint and tactician in comparison. Erwin's sacrifice meant nothing, Armin recognizing that in the final episode doesn't make the let down any better. To me it seemed like Isayama was forcing that as the ending and was manipulating characters and situations to give rise to it. The characters and story was what made it good, if you sacrifice them simply because you want some mega Hitler ending of course people will be annoyed. The show was not bad, but it's like having a great dinner and looking forward to the dessert and the chef spikes your dessert with chili. |
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@Bugsbunnyfake
Bro thinks it's really that deep. Face it, the vast majority label the ending as a work of art and to say that they all know nothing about endings is fallacious.
@WalterBlack59
Lol did we watch the same thing? If you're unable to comprehend the story, there is no need to make things up about it in an attempt to do so.
Bro thinks it's really that deep. Face it, the vast majority label the ending as a work of art and to say that they all know nothing about endings is fallacious.
WalterBlack59 said:
ecause it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong.
There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa.
ecause it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong.
There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa.
@WalterBlack59
Lol did we watch the same thing? If you're unable to comprehend the story, there is no need to make things up about it in an attempt to do so.
| @Zprotu I could take a shit on the floor and call it modern art. Art is subjective, but the plot holes are objective. |
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Zprotu said:
@Bugsbunnyfake
Bro thinks it's really that deep. Face it, the vast majority label the ending as a work of art and to say that they all know nothing about endings is fallacious.
@WalterBlack59
Lol did we watch the same thing? If you're unable to comprehend the story, there is no need to make things up about it in an attempt to do so.
@Bugsbunnyfake
Bro thinks it's really that deep. Face it, the vast majority label the ending as a work of art and to say that they all know nothing about endings is fallacious.
WalterBlack59 said:
ecause it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong.
There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa.
ecause it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong.
There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa.
@WalterBlack59
Lol did we watch the same thing? If you're unable to comprehend the story, there is no need to make things up about it in an attempt to do so.
What am I making up it's literally what happened. I read the Manga years ago and watched this shit how am I making things up
| @WalterBlack59 I mean it's quite clear that there was no justification for killing people. Eren literally acknowledges that several times throughout the show. He only did what he did in an attempt to do *something* in the face of the endless cycle of war and hatred, but he could only prove why the cycle goes on forever, and also because he wanted some form of peace for his friends, the only people he cared for. That's literally the moral of the story because it is part of human nature to do so (both things). The most he could possibly achieve is a brief respite, and the fact that he got centuries of peace for Paradis makes it well worth the cost for himself and his friends. His crying is the typical human reaction. No one can be a stone-cold killer. The Ymir and Mikasa parallels can be seen from the moment Ymir's backstory is shown, see reactors like Filmbuff and LM reactions talking about in detail in real-time during that specific episode. |
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Fr. The thing is many people wanted the happy ending, where Eren lives, he's with Mikasa and they are living forever together. But well, this isn't disney. I personally love the ending and imo the massive hate is unnecessary
| @aru4l Actually, most ending haters wanted a darker conclusion, where most core characters died and Eren was left an empty husk. In comparison, AoT's real ending is the happier one. |
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Zprotu said:
@Bugsbunnyfake
Bro thinks it's really that deep. Face it, the vast majority label the ending as a work of art and to say that they all know nothing about endings is fallacious.
@WalterBlack59
Lol did we watch the same thing? If you're unable to comprehend the story, there is no need to make things up about it in an attempt to do so.
@Bugsbunnyfake
Bro thinks it's really that deep. Face it, the vast majority label the ending as a work of art and to say that they all know nothing about endings is fallacious.
WalterBlack59 said:
ecause it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong.
There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa.
ecause it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong.
There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa.
@WalterBlack59
Lol did we watch the same thing? If you're unable to comprehend the story, there is no need to make things up about it in an attempt to do so.
Those who consider this as a work of art are individuals with limited comprehension, similar to yourself, where rationality is absent. AOT is nothing but trash.
| @Bugsbunnyfake You have 43% of your list rated a 1, so your definition of trash is pretty broad. Why don't you scale your opinion to the 43% of "trash" that you've managed to end up completing. |
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Zprotu said:
@Bugsbunnyfake
Bro thinks it's really that deep. Face it, the vast majority label the ending as a work of art and to say that they all know nothing about endings is fallacious.
@WalterBlack59
Lol did we watch the same thing? If you're unable to comprehend the story, there is no need to make things up about it in an attempt to do so.
@Bugsbunnyfake
Bro thinks it's really that deep. Face it, the vast majority label the ending as a work of art and to say that they all know nothing about endings is fallacious.
WalterBlack59 said:
ecause it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong.
There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa.
ecause it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong.
There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa.
@WalterBlack59
Lol did we watch the same thing? If you're unable to comprehend the story, there is no need to make things up about it in an attempt to do so.
Those who consider this as a work of art are individuals with limited comprehension, similar to yourself, where rationality is absent. AOT is nothing but trash.
| @Bugsbunnyfake Here is what literal AI has to say about your statement: "The statement is disrespectful and unfounded. It is disrespectful because it implies that people who appreciate this work of art are inferior to the speaker. It is unfounded because it assumes that the speaker has a superior understanding of art and rationality, which is not necessarily true. Rationality is the quality of being guided by or based on reason. It is not related to an individual’s ability to appreciate art. Reading comprehension, on the other hand, is the ability to understand and interpret written language. It is possible that the speaker’s statement is a result of a misunderstanding or lack of comprehension of the work of art in question. It is important to be respectful of others’ opinions and to avoid making unfounded assumptions about their abilities or knowledge." Also, may I direct you to the following image:  |
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Zprotu said:
@WalterBlack59 I mean it's quite clear that there was no justification for killing people. Eren literally acknowledges that several times throughout the show. He only did what he did in an attempt to do *something* in the face of the endless cycle of war and hatred, but he could only prove why the cycle goes on forever, and also because he wanted some form of peace for his friends, the only people he cared for. That's literally the moral of the story because it is part of human nature to do so (both things). The most he could possibly achieve is a brief respite, and the fact that he got centuries of peace for Paradis makes it well worth the cost for himself and his friends. His crying is the typical human reaction. No one can be a stone-cold killer. The Ymir and Mikasa parallels can be seen from the moment Ymir's backstory is shown, see reactors like Filmbuff and LM reactions talking about in detail in real-time during that specific episode.
@WalterBlack59 I mean it's quite clear that there was no justification for killing people. Eren literally acknowledges that several times throughout the show. He only did what he did in an attempt to do *something* in the face of the endless cycle of war and hatred, but he could only prove why the cycle goes on forever, and also because he wanted some form of peace for his friends, the only people he cared for. That's literally the moral of the story because it is part of human nature to do so (both things). The most he could possibly achieve is a brief respite, and the fact that he got centuries of peace for Paradis makes it well worth the cost for himself and his friends. His crying is the typical human reaction. No one can be a stone-cold killer. The Ymir and Mikasa parallels can be seen from the moment Ymir's backstory is shown, see reactors like Filmbuff and LM reactions talking about in detail in real-time during that specific episode.
Then don't kill anyone simple as. Zeke literally had a better plan but he manipulated him because he liked his edgy shit better. He did not accomplish anything and left the world in a worse state for half Asian pussy. If this is the message of human nature your story wants to portray then it fails miserably. Also paths exist so why not just delete titan DNA or some shit. He goes back and kills his own mother to have a justification for doing all this. What a terribly written hypocrite. Also Mikasa and ymir parallels are asspulls and only make matters worse because they both loved genocidal idiots who didn't love them back. This how you wanna portray your women??
| @WalterBlack59 What I hate the most is that I am unironically sympathizing with Kim Jong Un because of this show. It's a similar situation and Kim is handling it way better without needing to nuke the rest of the world. |
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Zprotu said:
@WalterBlack59 I mean it's quite clear that there was no justification for killing people. Eren literally acknowledges that several times throughout the show. He only did what he did in an attempt to do *something* in the face of the endless cycle of war and hatred, but he could only prove why the cycle goes on forever, and also because he wanted some form of peace for his friends, the only people he cared for. That's literally the moral of the story because it is part of human nature to do so (both things). The most he could possibly achieve is a brief respite, and the fact that he got centuries of peace for Paradis makes it well worth the cost for himself and his friends. His crying is the typical human reaction. No one can be a stone-cold killer. The Ymir and Mikasa parallels can be seen from the moment Ymir's backstory is shown, see reactors like Filmbuff and LM reactions talking about in detail in real-time during that specific episode.
@WalterBlack59 I mean it's quite clear that there was no justification for killing people. Eren literally acknowledges that several times throughout the show. He only did what he did in an attempt to do *something* in the face of the endless cycle of war and hatred, but he could only prove why the cycle goes on forever, and also because he wanted some form of peace for his friends, the only people he cared for. That's literally the moral of the story because it is part of human nature to do so (both things). The most he could possibly achieve is a brief respite, and the fact that he got centuries of peace for Paradis makes it well worth the cost for himself and his friends. His crying is the typical human reaction. No one can be a stone-cold killer. The Ymir and Mikasa parallels can be seen from the moment Ymir's backstory is shown, see reactors like Filmbuff and LM reactions talking about in detail in real-time during that specific episode.
Then don't kill anyone simple as. Zeke literally had a better plan but he manipulated him because he liked his edgy shit better. He did not accomplish anything and left the world in a worse state for half Asian pussy. If this is the message of human nature your story wants to portray then it fails miserably. Also paths exist so why not just delete titan DNA or some shit. He goes back and kills his own mother to have a justification for doing all this. What a terribly written hypocrite. Also Mikasa and ymir parallels are asspulls and only make matters worse because they both loved genocidal idiots who didn't love them back. This how you wanna portray your women??
| @WalterBlack59 WalterBlack59 said: Then don't kill anyone simple as. Zeke literally had a better plan but he manipulated him because he liked his edgy shit better. Did you literally forget Eren's chapter 131 monologue about him acknowledging this but he simply cannot accept that plan? WalterBlack59 said: He did not accomplish anything and left the world in a worse state for half Asian pussy. Perhaps you did not read the story, (understandable), but I am pretty sure Eren doesn't care about the rest of the world as much as his friends. And he certainly did not do it for that. You just like to sexualize things. And he was able to accomplish having a brief moment of peace for Paradis, much longer than anything King Fritz was able to. WalterBlack59 said: If this is the message of human nature your story wants to portray then it fails miserably Most people certainly don't think so. WalterBlack59 said: Also paths exist so why not just delete titan DNA or some shit. That's just Zeke's plan and Eren cannot accept that. WalterBlack59 said: He goes back and kills his own mother to have a justification for doing all this. He didn't kill his mother and that isn't justification. It was a byproduct of making sure Bert wasn't eaten. WalterBlack59 said: What a terribly written hypocrite. If it isn't clear already, he acknowledged himself as a hypocrite multiple times. A wonderfully written human being. WalterBlack59 said: Also Mikasa and ymir parallels are asspulls and only make matters worse because they both loved genocidal idiots who didn't love them back. This how you wanna portray your women?? This take only proves that you are unable to comprehend the story. |
ZprotuNov 9, 2023 11:33 PM
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@Zprotu I could take a shit on the floor and call it modern art. Art is subjective, but the plot holes are objective.
| @ItsaMeAMario Most people label something as a plot hole when they don't understand it. There are 2 reasons why, either they truly are unable to comprehend the connection to other plot points, or it's a valid error by the author. Now I don't know about you, but people have easily been able to explain all the supposed "plot-holes" of AOT with just a little bit of critical thinking. |
Zprotu said: @Bugsbunnyfake Here is what literal AI has to say about your statement: "The statement is disrespectful and unfounded. It is disrespectful because it implies that people who appreciate this work of art are inferior to the speaker. It is unfounded because it assumes that the speaker has a superior understanding of art and rationality, which is not necessarily true. Rationality is the quality of being guided by or based on reason. It is not related to an individual’s ability to appreciate art. Reading comprehension, on the other hand, is the ability to understand and interpret written language. It is possible that the speaker’s statement is a result of a misunderstanding or lack of comprehension of the work of art in question. It is important to be respectful of others’ opinions and to avoid making unfounded assumptions about their abilities or knowledge." Also, may I direct you to the following image: When I say art, I was referring to Attack on Titan not the entire art exist in the realm of fiction.You asked the ai about my statement lmfao.An individual who lost to a Men but seek help from ai to defend their argument makes the quality of an human lower than a scum bag on earth. |
BugsbunnyfakeNov 18, 2023 6:08 AM
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Zprotu said:
@Bugsbunnyfake Here is what literal AI has to say about your statement:
"The statement is disrespectful and unfounded. It is disrespectful because it implies that people who appreciate this work of art are inferior to the speaker. It is unfounded because it assumes that the speaker has a superior understanding of art and rationality, which is not necessarily true.
Rationality is the quality of being guided by or based on reason. It is not related to an individual’s ability to appreciate art. Reading comprehension, on the other hand, is the ability to understand and interpret written language. It is possible that the speaker’s statement is a result of a misunderstanding or lack of comprehension of the work of art in question.
It is important to be respectful of others’ opinions and to avoid making unfounded assumptions about their abilities or knowledge."
Also, may I direct you to the following image:
@Bugsbunnyfake Here is what literal AI has to say about your statement:
"The statement is disrespectful and unfounded. It is disrespectful because it implies that people who appreciate this work of art are inferior to the speaker. It is unfounded because it assumes that the speaker has a superior understanding of art and rationality, which is not necessarily true.
Rationality is the quality of being guided by or based on reason. It is not related to an individual’s ability to appreciate art. Reading comprehension, on the other hand, is the ability to understand and interpret written language. It is possible that the speaker’s statement is a result of a misunderstanding or lack of comprehension of the work of art in question.
It is important to be respectful of others’ opinions and to avoid making unfounded assumptions about their abilities or knowledge."
Also, may I direct you to the following image:
When I say art, I was referring to Attack on Titan not the entire art exist in the realm of fiction.You asked the ai about my statement lmfao.An individual who lost to a Men but seek help from ai to defend their argument makes the quality of an human lower than a scum bag on earth.
| @Bugsbunnyfake Nah, you're just a disrespectful and narrowminded narcissistic asshole. I could've responded with something similar but a literal machine cooking you was an opportunity I couldn't pass. |
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@ItsaMeAMario Most people label something as a plot hole when they don't understand it. There are 2 reasons why, either they truly are unable to comprehend the connection to other plot points, or it's a valid error by the author. Now I don't know about you, but people have easily been able to explain all the supposed "plot-holes" of AOT with just a little bit of critical thinking.
| @Zprotu If he existed in all those times simultaneously he could have literally done this entire plan when he touched her hand. He changed the course of the titan in the past to stop it from eating Bertolt, that implies he can do it with any and all titans at all times, so he could have changed the entire set of events. There was no reason to attack Marley and eat the war hammer titan. The only actual argument is pure determinism and that all the events were destined to end the way they did, but then it's just bad writing. |
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Zprotu said:
@WalterBlack59
Did you literally forget Eren's chapter 131 monologue about him acknowledging this but he simply cannot accept that plan?
Perhaps you did not read the story, (understandable), but I am pretty sure Eren doesn't care about the rest of the world. And he certainly did not do it for that. You just like to sexualize things.
Most people certainly don't think so.
That's just Zeke's plan and Eren cannot accept that.
He didn't kill his mother and that isn't justification. It was a byproduct of making sure Bert wasn't eaten.
If it isn't clear already, he acknowledged himself as a hypocrite multiple times. A wonderfully written human being.
This take only proves that you are unable to comprehend the story.
@WalterBlack59
WalterBlack59 said:
Then don't kill anyone simple as. Zeke literally had a better plan but he manipulated him because he liked his edgy shit better.
Then don't kill anyone simple as. Zeke literally had a better plan but he manipulated him because he liked his edgy shit better.
Did you literally forget Eren's chapter 131 monologue about him acknowledging this but he simply cannot accept that plan?
WalterBlack59 said:
He did not accomplish anything and left the world in a worse state for half Asian pussy.
He did not accomplish anything and left the world in a worse state for half Asian pussy.
Perhaps you did not read the story, (understandable), but I am pretty sure Eren doesn't care about the rest of the world. And he certainly did not do it for that. You just like to sexualize things.
WalterBlack59 said:
If this is the message of human nature your story wants to portray then it fails miserably
If this is the message of human nature your story wants to portray then it fails miserably
Most people certainly don't think so.
WalterBlack59 said:
Also paths exist so why not just delete titan DNA or some shit.
Also paths exist so why not just delete titan DNA or some shit.
That's just Zeke's plan and Eren cannot accept that.
WalterBlack59 said:
He goes back and kills his own mother to have a justification for doing all this.
He goes back and kills his own mother to have a justification for doing all this.
He didn't kill his mother and that isn't justification. It was a byproduct of making sure Bert wasn't eaten.
WalterBlack59 said:
What a terribly written hypocrite.
What a terribly written hypocrite.
If it isn't clear already, he acknowledged himself as a hypocrite multiple times. A wonderfully written human being.
WalterBlack59 said:
Also Mikasa and ymir parallels are asspulls and only make matters worse because they both loved genocidal idiots who didn't love them back. This how you wanna portray your women??
Also Mikasa and ymir parallels are asspulls and only make matters worse because they both loved genocidal idiots who didn't love them back. This how you wanna portray your women??
This take only proves that you are unable to comprehend the story.
I read this shit years ago and it annoyed me then and it still does. I see everything crystal clear, you just cope and deny everything of logic. Am I the one sexualizing or did he not literally cry and really do all of this for a milquetoast flat character??
Why would he need Berthold to be alive and kill his mother what?? There are so many ways but he legit chose the wrong path every single time. I think my comprehension is on point I went over this shit multiple times over the years and watched a lot of videos and discussed it with people. The romance is garbage and forcing your whole series to be based on a one sided romance with the result being a decapitated head being kissed is disgusting. Literally hating on Mikasa the whole show and suddenly at the end he really killed the whole world for two people who btw are absolutely terribly written. What we are discussing here is just a fraction my man. There is so so so much more wrong it's actually baffling. Isayama meticulously made sure that every single plot point and character got screwed at the end. Absolutely insane how people are defending this crap and lack the basic skill to objectively see the massive plot holes and mistakes in the writing.
| @WalterBlack59 Bro just admit you can't make 2 connections in a row without the story spoonfeeding you the whole time. And how am I coping and denying everything of logic when your statements are the ones based on unfounded claims and my refutations are the logical ones instead? Also, perhaps most of us didn't listen to what Eren was saying in his breakdown but where exactly did he say he did all of this for a "milquetoast flat character"? And he needed Bert to be alive for the events leading up to this point to happen. And he did NOT kill his mother, as I said that was not intentional. And if there were many ways as you say, name one coherent pathway he could've taken? You're just repeating the same damn points over and over again like a broken record. |
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@Zprotu If he existed in all those times simultaneously he could have literally done this entire plan when he touched her hand. He changed the course of the titan in the past to stop it from eating Bertolt, that implies he can do it with any and all titans at all times, so he could have changed the entire set of events. There was no reason to attack Marley and eat the war hammer titan.
The only actual argument is pure determinism and that all the events were destined to end the way they did, but then it's just bad writing.
The only actual argument is pure determinism and that all the events were destined to end the way they did, but then it's just bad writing.
| @ItsaMeAMario Isn't the only time the founder's power is activated when Eren touches a titan of royal blood? He didn't know about it while punching the smiling titan, and only instinctively commanded the pure titans to get away, so whose hand are you referring to? Also, the point is that there happened to be no timeline where Bert got eaten by the smiling titan, *because* of the founder's power controlling all times. When Eren got control of it, he just had to make sure it remained that way, and he had no choice which is why he broke down. So yes it's determinism "set in stone" as explained numerous times. It's not bad writing. The whole moral of the story is that conflict is always inevitable, and this ending compliments that immensely. |
ZprotuNov 9, 2023 11:51 PM
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Zprotu said:
@WalterBlack59 Bro just admit you can't make 2 connections in a row without the story spoonfeeding you the whole time. And how am I coping and denying everything of logic when your statements are the ones based on unfounded claims and my refutations are the logical ones instead?
Also, perhaps most of us didn't listen to what Eren was saying in his breakdown but where exactly did he say he did all of this for a "milquetoast flat character"?
And he needed Bert to be alive for the events leading up to this point to happen. And he did NOT kill his mother, as I said that was not intentional.
And if there were many ways as you say, name one coherent pathway he could've taken? You're just repeating the same damn points over and over again like a broken record.
@WalterBlack59 Bro just admit you can't make 2 connections in a row without the story spoonfeeding you the whole time. And how am I coping and denying everything of logic when your statements are the ones based on unfounded claims and my refutations are the logical ones instead?
Also, perhaps most of us didn't listen to what Eren was saying in his breakdown but where exactly did he say he did all of this for a "milquetoast flat character"?
And he needed Bert to be alive for the events leading up to this point to happen. And he did NOT kill his mother, as I said that was not intentional.
And if there were many ways as you say, name one coherent pathway he could've taken? You're just repeating the same damn points over and over again like a broken record.
If I needed spoonfeeding I wouldn't enjoy urasawa Manga and wouldn't be reading seinen. Just make the story make sense man. He did all of it for Mikasa and armin he literally said it. You just can't kill this many people and cry like a little boy. You don't have the right to do this. Imagine netanyahu sitting there bawling his eyes out for a woman after he committed genocide against the Palestinians. Wouldn't you be disgusted? And again, Berthold needing to stay alive for this plot to move in proves how dumb this is written. Your whole hatred for titans and the world originates from yourself killing your own mother. There is your whole plot 💀.
He could've taken zekes plan or better, go back and free ymir from the titan curse immediately. Or don't let her fall into the tree. Or just delete the titan DNA in season 1. Or do what king fritz did and manipulate all eldians in the world to become peaceful and end the cycle of hatred and human nature. Anything but this garbage what we got in the end where paradis was left in a worse state than before and literally got carpet bombed
| @WalterBlack59 This is actually so funny. You're legit answering your questions properly and yet you can't see yourself doing it. Bugsbunnyfake said: Labeling criticism and absolute truth as an disrespecting , narrow-minded or c*nt shows how feeble your knowledge is litte guy. @Bugsbunnyfake The moment someone says "absolute truth" for anime is when they've lost the plot completely. Doubly so if everything else is ad hominem. |
ZprotuNov 9, 2023 11:55 PM
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Zprotu said:
@WalterBlack59 This is actually so funny. You're legit answering your questions properly and yet you can't see yourself doing it.
@WalterBlack59 This is actually so funny. You're legit answering your questions properly and yet you can't see yourself doing it.
Yeah answering them in how shit every plot point is because I analyzed this multiple times. I know all the answers. And I'm done arguing with delusional aot fans who have to lie to themselves and cope so they can enjoy this pile of feces. And to you personally, you need to experience way more my man your list is looking sparse there is a lot of room for improvement
| @WalterBlack59 I will say the same thing I said to the guy above. When someone says "absolute truth" or "I know all the answers", they've lost the plot. Doubly more so if everything else is ad hominem and in your case judging without knowing while assuming they do, which is another fallacy. |
| @WalterBlack59 WalterBlack59 said: "lost the plot". Strong argument there. Whenever someone provides logic and is knowledgeable in a topic I'm just gonna say that and weasel my way out because I'm too sissy to admit my faults. Have a good day man I'm done with y'all aot d riders. My arguments were given earlier, which you chose to ignore for repeating your same points like a broken record. Bugsbunnyfake said: I have lost? Who decided that it is you my dude.You beleive I have lost lying to your self.Your own perception makes you inability to make an correct judgement. I have read Stephen king, Dostoevsky, Lovecraft, Robert E Haward, Aldous Huxley, Agatha Christie, Tolkein, Classic mythology etc unlike certain idiot who never touch a single literature. |
Zprotu said: @WalterBlack59 WalterBlack59 said: "lost the plot". Strong argument there. Whenever someone provides logic and is knowledgeable in a topic I'm just gonna say that and weasel my way out because I'm too sissy to admit my faults. Have a good day man I'm done with y'all aot d riders. My arguments were given earlier, which you chose to ignore for repeating your same points like a broken record. Bugsbunnyfake said: I have lost? Who decided that it is you my dude.You beleive I have lost lying to your self.Your own perception makes you inability to make an correct judgement. I have read Stephen king, Dostoevsky, Lovecraft, Robert E Haward, Aldous Huxley, Agatha Christie, Tolkein, Classic mythology etc unlike certain idiot who never touch a single literature. Your intellectual far exceeds than others. Have a good day my friend. |
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Zprotu said:
@WalterBlack59
My arguments were given earlier, which you chose to ignore for repeating your same points like a broken record.
@WalterBlack59
WalterBlack59 said:
"lost the plot". Strong argument there. Whenever someone provides logic and is knowledgeable in a topic I'm just gonna say that and weasel my way out because I'm too sissy to admit my faults. Have a good day man I'm done with y'all aot d riders.
"lost the plot". Strong argument there. Whenever someone provides logic and is knowledgeable in a topic I'm just gonna say that and weasel my way out because I'm too sissy to admit my faults. Have a good day man I'm done with y'all aot d riders.
My arguments were given earlier, which you chose to ignore for repeating your same points like a broken record.
Bugsbunnyfake said:
I have lost? Who decided that it is you my dude.You beleive I have lost lying to your self.Your own perception makes you inability to make an correct judgement.
I have read Stephen king, Dostoevsky, Lovecraft, Robert E Haward, Aldous Huxley, Agatha Christie, Tolkein, Classic mythology etc unlike certain idiot who never touch a single literature.
I have lost? Who decided that it is you my dude.You beleive I have lost lying to your self.Your own perception makes you inability to make an correct judgement.
I have read Stephen king, Dostoevsky, Lovecraft, Robert E Haward, Aldous Huxley, Agatha Christie, Tolkein, Classic mythology etc unlike certain idiot who never touch a single literature.
Your intellectual far exceeds than others. Have a good day my friend.
| @Bugsbunnyfake I never claimed to say that. You have a pleasant time too. |
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@ItsaMeAMario Isn't the only time the founder's power is activated when Eren touches a titan of royal blood? He didn't know about it while punching the smiling titan, and only instinctively commanded the pure titans to get away, so whose hand are you referring to?
Also, the point is that there happened to be no timeline where Bert got eaten by the smiling titan, *because* of the founder's power controlling all times. When Eren got control of it, he just had to make sure it remained that way, and he had no choice which is why he broke down.
So yes it's determinism "set in stone" as explained numerous times. It's not bad writing. The whole moral of the story is that conflict is always inevitable, and this ending compliments that immensely.
Also, the point is that there happened to be no timeline where Bert got eaten by the smiling titan, *because* of the founder's power controlling all times. When Eren got control of it, he just had to make sure it remained that way, and he had no choice which is why he broke down.
So yes it's determinism "set in stone" as explained numerous times. It's not bad writing. The whole moral of the story is that conflict is always inevitable, and this ending compliments that immensely.
| @Zprotu It just needs to be royal, not in titan form. He transforms into the founding titan after touching Zeke in human form. He could have use the founding powers at any point when touching Historia. That's why that's when he gets all his memories when touching her. If the argument is that it's all pre-determined sure then I just don't like the story the author has written and it conveniently waves all plot holes away as part of the determined path. That is bad writing to me. Do you think there was a pay off for Erwin's death? Do you think Paradis Island did everything they could to avoid war? Why did they build a random railway instead of selling their natural resources and employing a Taiwan style export economy. I respect the earlier AOT because it was generally sound logic, my issue is that fell off towards the end and as a result soured my experience. |
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Eren’s character is assassinated, Mikasa’s promisisng character growth never came, Armin does nothing to impact the story (basically no one is able to change anything because aliens), fascist principles subtlety hinted at being the keys to peace (genocide all your enemies), basically the entire story up until Historia is pointless because fate can’t be changed including destiny, cheesy reincarnation of Eren that makes zero sense symbolically (is he fee after he’s dead?), no other possible solution to the problem than genocide or suicide (euthanize Eldians), last minute reveals that had zero build up (Eren liking Miksasa, Mikasa connected to Ymir), and lastly various plot holes that were never explained in the slightest.
| @thunderkitten13 Yup pretty much this, I'd add the wasted 4 year time skip where nothing of value was accomplished. |
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@Zprotu It just needs to be royal, not in titan form. He transforms into the founding titan after touching Zeke in human form. He could have use the founding powers at any point when touching Historia. That's why that's when he gets all his memories when touching her.
If the argument is that it's all pre-determined sure then I just don't like the story the author has written and it conveniently waves all plot holes away as part of the determined path. That is bad writing to me.
Do you think there was a pay off for Erwin's death? Do you think Paradis Island did everything they could to avoid war? Why did they build a random railway instead of selling their natural resources and employing a Taiwan style export economy. I respect the earlier AOT because it was generally sound logic, my issue is that fell off towards the end and as a result soured my experience.
If the argument is that it's all pre-determined sure then I just don't like the story the author has written and it conveniently waves all plot holes away as part of the determined path. That is bad writing to me.
Do you think there was a pay off for Erwin's death? Do you think Paradis Island did everything they could to avoid war? Why did they build a random railway instead of selling their natural resources and employing a Taiwan style export economy. I respect the earlier AOT because it was generally sound logic, my issue is that fell off towards the end and as a result soured my experience.
| @ItsaMeAMario You bring good questions. Firstly, I'm pretty sure it was explicitly stated that whoever Eren needed to touch for the Founder's power to activate had to be a titan of royal blood and that whatever form they were in was irrelevant. This is why the Smiling Titan and Zeke activate the powers but not Historia. She, as someone of just royal blood and no titan, could only bring about memories just like her dad Rod Reiss in S3 P1. Moreover, I want to know how being pre-determined is a bad quality, especially for a story like AOT where being "set in stone" is constantly emphasized. I also want to know which plot holes it waves away, if any. Because whenever I debate with someone who dislikes the ending due to apparent unanswered plotlines, they can't really come up with a coherent answer. You ask if Erwin's death had a payoff. I ask, did anything if that's the case? The counter-argument that comes in the face of determinism from the watcher/reader is that nothing was worth anything. Isn't that exactly what Zeke said in chapter 137 with his conversation with Armin? Another major moral from this story is to value the insignificant moments of life, such as playing catch-ball or running up the hill to that tree. Do you understand? |
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WalterBlack59 said:
I read this shit years ago and it annoyed me then and it still does. I see everything crystal clear, you just cope and deny everything of logic. Am I the one sexualizing or did he not literally cry and really do all of this for a milquetoast flat character??
Why would he need Berthold to be alive and kill his mother what?? There are so many ways but he legit chose the wrong path every single time. I think my comprehension is on point I went over this shit multiple times over the years and watched a lot of videos and discussed it with people. The romance is garbage and forcing your whole series to be based on a one sided romance with the result being a decapitated head being kissed is disgusting. Literally hating on Mikasa the whole show and suddenly at the end he really killed the whole world for two people who btw are absolutely terribly written. What we are discussing here is just a fraction my man. There is so so so much more wrong it's actually baffling. Isayama meticulously made sure that every single plot point and character got screwed at the end. Absolutely insane how people are defending this crap and lack the basic skill to objectively see the massive plot holes and mistakes in the writing.
Zprotu said:
@WalterBlack59
Did you literally forget Eren's chapter 131 monologue about him acknowledging this but he simply cannot accept that plan?
Perhaps you did not read the story, (understandable), but I am pretty sure Eren doesn't care about the rest of the world. And he certainly did not do it for that. You just like to sexualize things.
Most people certainly don't think so.
That's just Zeke's plan and Eren cannot accept that.
He didn't kill his mother and that isn't justification. It was a byproduct of making sure Bert wasn't eaten.
If it isn't clear already, he acknowledged himself as a hypocrite multiple times. A wonderfully written human being.
This take only proves that you are unable to comprehend the story.
@WalterBlack59
Did you literally forget Eren's chapter 131 monologue about him acknowledging this but he simply cannot accept that plan?
Perhaps you did not read the story, (understandable), but I am pretty sure Eren doesn't care about the rest of the world. And he certainly did not do it for that. You just like to sexualize things.
Most people certainly don't think so.
That's just Zeke's plan and Eren cannot accept that.
He didn't kill his mother and that isn't justification. It was a byproduct of making sure Bert wasn't eaten.
If it isn't clear already, he acknowledged himself as a hypocrite multiple times. A wonderfully written human being.
This take only proves that you are unable to comprehend the story.
I read this shit years ago and it annoyed me then and it still does. I see everything crystal clear, you just cope and deny everything of logic. Am I the one sexualizing or did he not literally cry and really do all of this for a milquetoast flat character??
Why would he need Berthold to be alive and kill his mother what?? There are so many ways but he legit chose the wrong path every single time. I think my comprehension is on point I went over this shit multiple times over the years and watched a lot of videos and discussed it with people. The romance is garbage and forcing your whole series to be based on a one sided romance with the result being a decapitated head being kissed is disgusting. Literally hating on Mikasa the whole show and suddenly at the end he really killed the whole world for two people who btw are absolutely terribly written. What we are discussing here is just a fraction my man. There is so so so much more wrong it's actually baffling. Isayama meticulously made sure that every single plot point and character got screwed at the end. Absolutely insane how people are defending this crap and lack the basic skill to objectively see the massive plot holes and mistakes in the writing.
It’s wild how people are trying to say killing his mother in order to commit genocide was the only way Eren could help his people. I think the only thing that makes me laugh more is the people trying to say he’s a “slave to freedom”. Geez, 1st world problems much?
thunderkitten13 said: It’s wild how people are trying to say killing his mother in order to commit genocide was the only way Eren could help his people Not what I said. That in of itself has nothing to do with helping the people of Paradis and Eren's friends. It as a plot point was explored to highlight the encompassing and deterministic nature of the founder's power. |
| Because it’s ass and was clearly rushed |
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