| ...and my (probably) useless attempt to explain them things there's a very distorted vision in most anime fans when it comes to production related topics, you probably know what I'm talking about if you browse these forums frequently to begin with, they know three anime studios at best (and those are Ufotable, CloverWorks and M*PPA) and think that everything is up to them, from the production decision to how the final product looks, "why did they decide to adapt this manga?" in most cases it isn't up to the studio, producers (like Aniplex, Kadokawa, TOHO Animation) offer contracts to studios and they decide if they are worthy to pick up (or sometimes they're just forced to, for example both A-1 Pictures and CloverWorks are Aniplex holdings), also they don't decide based on how much they like the source material they're asked to adapt 💀; "aww man, my favourite manga wasn't picked up by my favourite studio, what do I do?" why don't you check who's working on it first? it's not like a studio different from the three you know can't possibly pull off a good adaptation, it's all up to the staff and the schedule (well, when you think about cases like Bocchi the Rock even the worst of the schedules can't stop the dedication of a passionate staff, but these cases are not this frequent), don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to say studios don't have an identity at all. The most ignorant belief anime fans have is that "it's all up to the budget", and the easiest way to blow to pieces this assumption is the mind-blowing adaptation of One-Punch Man, or the previously mentioned Bocchi the Rock, both these were pulled off by their passionate staff and not because of the money poured into the production, the first thanks to the extremely vast amount of contacts the director, Natsume Shingo, had, the second because Kerorira, character designer, key animator, and animator director, is a HUGE fan of the original 4-koma manga, and had to participate as key animator in every single episode, doing hundreds of cuts. Another very recent example is this season's My One-Hit Kill Sister, the first episode wasn't this good because they invested lots of money on it, blame the director, Hiroaki Takagi, for being a huge abuser of Kanada style and epic impact frames, as well for bringing in the legend Jun Arai (a friend of his) for some cuts tl;dr learn how the industry works before giving credit to studios instead of staff members, and before mentioning the word "budget" |
| you do realize that TNK destroyed highschool dxd so much that the author of the LN was so pissed he asked for dxd to be transferred to another studio? then passione had to remake the last 2 episodes so that the anime will have logic? I agree with you but each anime has a singular case and in lots of cases it's the studio that does shit like when anno hideaki stole the money from karekano anime budget, the mangaka had a fight with him so he left but they ran outta money so the last episodes are trash. Also Wit Studio was supposed to adapt attack on titan final season but they cried that they can't do it even though next season they pulled 2-3 anime. Another example is oshii who destroyed ghost in the shell movie and urusei yatsura with his shit pseudo philosophy, then takahashi rumiko asked to get fired and he was fired. |
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| Since u mentioned mappa and cloveworks it means u urself that literally lack of basic knowledge loll |
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| Isn't Death Note amazing? Madhouse must have had a ton of budget to make such beautiful potato chip animation. It sucks that they decised to adapt overlord and give it so much budget instead of something decent like El hazard. I don't know who these "AIC" nobodies are and why the hell did they decide to make my El Hazard? Did I do well? |
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deg said: yes, animation producers shape the studio's identity the most (as long as they stay part of the studio of course), this is why I mentioned I wasn't trying to say anime studios didn't have their own identitywhile its true that its annoying people only know the studio name and not the staff names you got to admit that animation producers aka aniP are employed by the anime studio animation producers are mostly responsible for the gathering the staff working on an anime especially gathering the core staff so in a way how good the animation producers are dictates how good an anime studio is there is like 3-5 animation producer in average for each anime studio |
El001 said: true, these are cases where the studios managed to establish their own and unique working and management models, too bad these are, indeed, very rare casesYour argument can't be applied in some cases (like KyoAni & Trigger.) Theo1899 said: I wonder why they didn't just use the same budget for OPM S1 to make a second season if it was so successful... why did they have to hand down the project to Mr. J.C. Staff?Isn't Death Note amazing? Madhouse must have had a ton of budget to make such beautiful potato chip animation. It sucks that they decised to adapt overlord and give it so much budget instead of something decent like El hazard. I don't know who these "AIC" nobodies are and why the hell did they decide to make my El Hazard? Did I do well? |
| Everything has an individual cases + you've forgotten that people also remembers such studio as Pierrot, production IG, PA Shaft, Trigger, Kyoani, Madhouse and so on x), even such studio as Orange is now remembered due to their CGI works. Outside that additionally I know that one animator X is working in studio let's say Pierrot for episode 5 of something than he is done and goes to another studio for another anime and so on, which often happens from lesser known animator to even CADs [some anime have different CAD for each episode] and not only that a single scene can be animated/corrected by 4 different people at all cause from storyboard to the final process it can go few times for corrections and as mentioned above if the animator has already gone to another studio for another project than that scene will be corrected by someone else, which is usual in anime studios. Also from what I know no matter if an animator will do a gorgeous chef's kiss animation of a fight scene or a wanky bad standing pose, either way such animator will get paid usually the same amount of money, no matter whose work is better or more profesional, which is also why it often is a case of someone's passion/will to make it good, not the budget, te budget is still needed as if you don't have it at all than there is no job to begin with. ---> Still I hate the term "Good animation = Budget" In nutshell how I remember/learnt the anime industry works in "basic" if I am not mistaken: Producer wants to make an anime which will be based on X manga -> Production Comitee is being gathered -> Money Resources for producing the anime -> Anime Studio which will animate the anime [Usually that Studio is not the part of Comitee from what I remember] -> Studio will gather it's own workers who are available, cause they might be already working on other projects [From what I remember Black Clover had this problem where Pierrrot lacked the animators for doing it's episodes properly] -> Studio will also gather/hire freelancers other people -> Pre-Production process begin with plans making in advance some scripts/storyboards/other stuff related/cooperation with manga creator/intepreting the manga/how to translate the manga into anime etc.] -> Publishing the plans/trailer/announcment that such anime will be released + date confirmation or give it later -> Production Begins -> Production of other stuff [Music, Voice Acting, other stuff] -> Scheduling anime or anything like that with Television -> Airing anime -> Making Blu-ray/DVD version [tbh I have no idea if it is done after airing/during airing/during the production] -> And than from here I have no idea tbh what happens next. Feel free to correct me or add some more details if something above is a crucial mistake/something is wrong as I am not that deeply into it to check in the backgrounds of how anime is being made, but some basics I guess I have on it. |
ZettaikenApr 11, 2023 7:33 AM
| I'm not reading all that good for you or sorry that happened |
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| I mostly stick to brands I know, or studios I like. I do also pay attention to writers or directors. For example I know Watanabe was involved with Samurai Champloo, Space Dandy and Cowboy Beebop and that Urobuchi wrote Madoka, Fate/Zero and Psycho Pass. So a mixture of - I like this musicians work, I like this series, I like that studio directs my anime picks. Its not a perfect system but it has worked pretty well. |
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Sfopllo said: Hahaha honestly same. It's clumped and I'm too lazy, glad it wasn't just me I am not reading all that to be honest. |
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| Why do I need to know all this? I just want to watch anime |
| Love these Threads. It's the classic: A) Guy, who think's he's a bit more intelligent than everybody else and feels the need to talk about it and B) Doesn't realize their psychotic wall of text, isn't actually read/taken serious by anyone... Dude, someone pissed you off today?^^ Someone didn't get the point you were trying to make, on the internet? Anime fans are all the same, it that it? We all suck and don't understand anything? Now, now. It'll be alright. Drink some Milk. Calm down, my boy. |
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Merve2Love said: I'm sorry you are too mentally limited to understand that what I wrote was meant to be informative to people that don't know much about how the industry worksLove these Threads. It's the classic: A) Guy, who think's he's a bit more intelligent than everybody else and feels the need to talk about it and B) Doesn't realize their psychotic wall of text, isn't actually read/taken serious by anyone... Dude, someone pissed you off today?^^ Someone didn't get the point you were trying to make, on the internet? Anime fans are all the same, it that it? We all suck and don't understand anything? Now, now. It'll be alright. Drink some Milk. Calm down, my boy. |
nwssx said: Merve2Love said: I'm sorry you are too mentally limited to understand that what I wrote was meant to be informative to people that don't know much about how the industry worksLove these Threads. It's the classic: A) Guy, who think's he's a bit more intelligent than everybody else and feels the need to talk about it and B) Doesn't realize their psychotic wall of text, isn't actually read/taken serious by anyone... Dude, someone pissed you off today?^^ Someone didn't get the point you were trying to make, on the internet? Anime fans are all the same, it that it? We all suck and don't understand anything? Now, now. It'll be alright. Drink some Milk. Calm down, my boy. Exactly! Im really, really uninformed and mentally not powerful enough to follow. YOU ARE BETTER! You are great. Don't let the Internet get you down^^ ->Hope that helps. Im genuinely concerned. Hope you get better soon. |
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| I admit I don't understand anything about the technicalities of the process of making an anime, other than have watched Shirobako, which is why I rarely enter this kind of debate. To be honest it sounds like a boring and useless knowledge to me since I can't do anything about it and I don't plan to work on this field either. That being said, your text started informative but ended as a big personal and very specific rant, which makes me want to ask: what's the context? Anyway, yeah, people lack this kind of knowledge in general, I wouldn't say it's basic knowledge tho, it's rather technical. |
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| Well you just explained like the whole Anime community. We have so many delusinal people it's insane. The guy in this picture is literally everyone one in a nut shell. And it's beyond sad Peopöe don't know different between favorites and a masterpiece. A favorite vs underrated Anime. A favorite vs a overrated Anime. I'm losing braincells browiing MaL, Twitter and FB and you can't escape it. As the portion of people is so high, it's insane. And the worst part with people here is they are so low iq they need to insult like this to prove a point. Because of their lack of knowlegde about what's good, what's bad. How things works.         |
NillwasApr 11, 2023 4:55 PM
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nwssx said: anime fans and lack of basic knowledge... tl;dr learn how the industry works before giving credit to studios instead of staff members, and before mentioning the word "budget" Expecting Anime fans to understand how an entire industry works isn't basic knowledge. Your average fan isn't going to do research on how an industry works even if it is for Anime. With that said I understand the point you are trying to make. Though this is the internet and a public forum so you are always going to have User talking about stuff they might not completely understand yet pretend they do. |
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| Its the Kadokawa''s, The Toho's, etc that decides what manga/ln/games to be adapted & theyre also the ones who choose which studio adapt which. As for the production, It depends on the producer & assistant producer to gather people & to have proper time management & scheduling.<<<If youve seen Shirobako, you know how tiring the main girl's job is.) Shows like BTR are so rare & i have no idea who are the staff in that show beforehand!!! Since then, Akiko Fujita(BTR sound director) & Saitou Keiichirou(The director of BTR) has been in my favs!!! Also, They have connections around some famous people like Higuchi Ai(A well-known Japanese song composer) being a lyricist/composer of some songs in the show!!! & some if not most songs are composed by Asian Kung Fu Generation.<<<If you are a weeb, im pretty sure youve heard this band at some point. The point is you need to know the people behind it & not just check the studio if they did something wrong/right on a show!!! People should watch shows like Shirobako for them to understand how anime is made!!! |
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| A banana replied to your post. All your points are immediately invalidated. |
| I mean, let's be real here, this is not an anime thing. Most people who enjoy anything entertainment related, be it movies, games, music, books, don't know anything about it at all. That's fine, there is nothing wrong with it. The problem is that there are a lot of people that act like if their subjective opinion was an actual indication of production (of any sort) quality. It is possible to objectively define something as well made or not, the same way you can subjectively say that something is good or bad. It all depends on the knowledge of the individual making those claims and how aware of their own opinions and biases they are. A complex composition from Bach is something that can objectively be analyzed as well made and even revolutionary for it's time, something that very few people could do, but subjectively people will say it's bad and that they don't like it, because people tend to not enjoy that sort of music anymore. Most people will say that Angel's Egg is weird and stupid for being so niche, but it has been used as reference and inspiration for a lot more top quality entertainment and artistic content than your average seasonal anime. It would be nice if the majority of people had at least some basis to judge what they consume, but it's ok that they don't, and it's ok to make fun of them and be made fun by them too. |
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