GreyStoneFlinger said: skapuppet said: I agree with you, but you gave Konosuba a 10? That seems hypocritical.Seems like japanese media in general is more perverted than other countries’ media like western. They even have established genres like ecchi and harem when in western media we don’t use or market those tags. Other media has sex comedies and stuff like that as well, but it’s more of a niche thing; in japanese anime, it’s a major genre. Is anime too perverted? ADD-ON: A lot of people seem to say that there is actually more sex going on in western media in general. But to me, there seems to be more fetish stuff going on in anime. Panty shots. Boob groping. Hot spring episodes. Fetishized school uniforms and swimsuits. Character designs and personality tropes. The list goes on. I would say that fetish stuff like this are far more perverted than actual censored or behind-the-scenes sex happening in western media. I never said I didn’t like perverted stuff. |
| Whether a particular culture's entertainment medium is perverted or not, is dependent on how far the censor boards of those places are willing to allow. Humans are generally perverted by nature but their surroundings dictate whether they can openly share their fetishes or not. It seems that most such anime is marketed to younger audiences in general and that's probably why they don't have full blown sex scenes, though we do have exceptions here and there. For me, any sex/ecchi scene does not have any relevance in any show regardless of whether it's anime or western media since they don't usually add much to the story. In my view, they are just fillers. |
| Best ending line in anime history = "My name is Saiki Kusuo. I am a psychic." |
| Well, Japan generally has a very sexually frustrated populace. The censorship of porn is a result of years of perversion and disgraceful acts performed by japanese citizens. So all that frustration is accumulated through the years, and displayed by various storytelling media in Japan, like anime and manga. I think this kind of helps in a way, because the number of japanese people who'd commit abuse crimes due to this frustration is big. Perversion in anime and manga kind of helps them experience some sort of relief. This is just my opinion tho, idk if this has actually helped or not. Although western media has a ton of hidden or hinted perversion that most people don't see. Japan is simply more open and honest about it. |
| Nah, definitely not, not as much as Western stuff at least. I see a ton of commercials for sexually charged shows or movies. Just the other day they had a commercial for a movie where a girl is implied to be grinding on a guy while he's tied up. Or outright, full blown sex scenes in a lot of movies too. And when there is anything like this in anime, it's usually late night shows that are heavily censored. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas "Woof" -Tobiichi Origami "Are you trying to turn the dormitory into a strip club!?! -Atena Saotome |
| No. It's not perverted enough. :333 |
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| I watch anime because I get more choice even after leaving aside the horny genres (ecchi, hentai, BL, GL), sex is all over the place in other media that's why I don't like watching it. Although I don't really know what's going on in non-Japanese entertainment these days since I haven't watched that in years. |
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luminouspaint said: you're discussing tho. just because other opinions are not aligned with yours doesn't mean they're shitting on you.i thought this forum was supposed to be for discussions but y'all are just shitting on ppl for having different opinions |
| It depends whether it's anime or hentai. For anime, typically everything is censored but they are perverted just for comedy and not to suggest any sexual ideas. |
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| It's not perverted enough. Anime characters are attractive, and accentuating their visual appeal through desirable angles and states of dress comes with the territory. Plus, for whatever reason, fanservice acts as an excellent deterrent against casuals and social media conditioned banshees. No one who was actually into anime was complaining about it being "perverted" a decade ago. It makes it seem like the people who are supposedly into anime nowadays aren't actually that interested in it out of the most sanitised and norm-friendly genres, or that they were trained by modern internet culture into being in a perpetual state of being offended by everything. |
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| You can't blame Japanese. They are slowly dying off and are not that interested in relationships or actual physical sex. Let them have their imaginery fun at least |
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| I would say most media is pretty perverted often targeted to the demographic of the show. Like how shoujo often references boys love and shounen has hot spring episodes. |
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| It def is. One of the main things I see associated with anime is hentai and porn, and Japan 100% endorses it. Wish it was more normal at times. |
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starflutter said: The perversion of anime isn't going away, so why don't we balance the scales a little bit? Let's see more fanservice of male characters. I'm not just talking shirtless scenes that reveal their ripped abs (although those are very welcome.) Take it a step further. Let them be half-naked and pan onto the lewd parts of their bodies for no reason. Show more male characters in completely impractical clothes that are so skimpy, they might as well have nothing on. Why not have some random testicle jiggle? The possibilities are endless. Thanks for the nightmare fuel... Legit question: Would you actually find that appealing? |
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| Nah, maybe at times but when it happens it can be pretty tame as well. I've seen worse from other media, ESPECIALLY music for example... |
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starflutter said: JaniSIr said: Not exactly appealing, but amusing.Thanks for the nightmare fuel... Legit question: Would you actually find that appealing? It would be appealing if there was more emphasis on the parts of the male body that are attractive to women, such as the the v-line. But of course, we're not the target audience they have in mind. I have no idea what a V-line even is. And tbh, male targeted anime fanservice just comes across as trashy most of the time. |
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| I wouldn't say anime is more pervy but it's definitely more pedoey. i blame the 2000s moe boom. |
lil-usagi said: Literally no moe anime is pedo though.I wouldn't say anime is more pervy but it's definitely more pedoey. i blame the 2000s moe boom. starflutter said: Or you know, people just like buying merchandise of their favorite female characters? It doesn't make someone a "coomer". SinOfSlothKing said: Pretty much this. Coomers are a profitable market as they will shell out a lot of money for merch of their waifu.Yes it is, ofc it is. Anime got popular unfortunately and it attracted a lot of coomers and the industry caters to them directly. SinOfSlothKing said: "unfortunately" You do know ecchi was around before anime got really popular, right? Ecchi has been around for decades. Yes it is, ofc it is. Anime got popular unfortunately and it attracted a lot of coomers and the industry caters to them directly. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas "Woof" -Tobiichi Origami "Are you trying to turn the dormitory into a strip club!?! -Atena Saotome |
juandmarco said: Aw I love Totally Spies it's awesome! I thought it was considered a 'French anime' though. French animation sometimes crosses over with anime style. That's like asking "are men too tall?" while ignoring the fact short men exist. Just look at shoujo series and (most) kid's shows. And you're claiming western media has no fetishy stuff when Totally Spies is infamous for it. And also, the French are known for their sexual attitudes. Even more than the Italians... |
| A lot of the time for me, yes It would be nice if they tuned it down a little bit, but the audience is the reason for it so I know it won't happen... |
SinOfSlothKing said: 1. Ok? And? We barely get ecchi these days compared to the past. "unfortunately" You do know ecchi was around before anime got really popular, right? Ecchi has been around for decades. Yeah, here is the difference:1. Echi back then was not the norm. 2. Redo of Healer exists which is almost a hentai. You would not find titles even close to redo of healer in the past that are not OVA's or just hentai. The existence of something in the past does not mean that it cannot get worse in the present. Its like having cancer and surprised when you are dieing 5 years latter. You had cancer 5 years ago too, yet you did not die, what changed? 2. Again? And? Redo was on a late night airing. And heavily censored on TV version. And comparing ecchi to cancer is just childish and just downright awful. Imagine having so much angst against a genre you hate and comparing it to a terminal illness, truly pathetic behavior. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas "Woof" -Tobiichi Origami "Are you trying to turn the dormitory into a strip club!?! -Atena Saotome |
| sure there may not be as many shows/movies that pander to any specific fetish in the west, but the amount of shows where one of the main points is to just get laid is astounding. |
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| No, anime has become less perverted over the years. We need more harem and ecchi shows than ever before to usher in another golden age of anime. I'm tired of seeing members of the community crying over every single show that features even a miniscule of fanservice, treating it like it's the devil or something. |
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| Last time I checked there is ACTUAL SEX in SOME movies. Unsimulated sex - Wikipedia |
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| It is just in the West there is somewhat strict division between porn and not-porn. Porn is 18+ only and sold in special stores with anything else sexual. Where I live alcohol also only sold in specialized 18+ stores. Stuff such as Age restriction ratings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_film_rating_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Software_Rating_Board Pushed creators to either avoid anything controversial like sex or violence to get ratings such as E or T, or in contrast go all out if its going to get M or AO anyway. Japanese anime creators are not as scrupulous in meeting the rating, so we have some anime with some nudity here and there, but also story and plot. |
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| It's not perverted at all, in fact anime need more of those lolis, actual harem, ecchi elements back. |
| Some anime are perverted. Just like some movies are perverted. Or any other form of media. |
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You have no idea what are you talking about. Back then most series had panty shots. There's was way more fanservice of this type than there's is now. Maybe watch more anime, especially something outside western starter pack before saying something like this. |
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| I disagree with some of those post because the difference between West and Japan's anime is Western movies/series tend to have pervy stuff completely separated and have tags in it (sexual reference, sexscenes, nudity etc). You're not going to see women wearing cleavage by default for the whole time and men acting perverted. Whereas, there's unnecessary fan service, cleavage and nose bleed crap in anime where it shouldn't be and the tags won't let you know about it. Sometimes, you really want to recommend them to family members but can't because of that reason. It is annoying and should only belong to ecchi genres, or minimize the tone at least and STOP showing large chest and cleavage 24/7 WTF. Do they think anime will die overnight if that happens? |
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| This isn't a straight cut thing here. When talking western media we don';t usually focus just on cartoons and animation. And because this is Mal I'm assuming you are talking more exclusively about Anime rather then live action dramas and such too. It's slowly changing in the western but cartoons are still predominantly considered a children's thing. Anine is far more reaching and less constrained. Also if you take into account non animated western shows, the sex and sexual innuendo tends towards older characters and is more blatant. |
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skapuppet said: ADD-ON: A lot of people seem to say that there is actually more sex going on in western media in general. But to me, there seems to be more fetish stuff going on in anime. Panty shots. Boob groping. Hot spring episodes. Fetishized school uniforms and swimsuits. Character designs and personality tropes. The list goes on. I would say that fetish stuff like this are far more perverted than actual censored or behind-the-scenes sex happening in western media. Black Widow's entire thing is being able to use her charm and there are plenty of shots where her ass is just in scene, Marvel is notorious for having clear shots that were meant to appeal to males let's say which anime does too. That's also ignoring series like the Game Of Thrones where the first 3 seasons was essentially just naked "underage" women and a shit tonne of rape. I would much rather see some accidents where boobs get grabbed, ass shots and bikinis on a beach than that again. There's also a tonne of genres or series out there you can find with anime that just don't contain this. It's not gone too far. |
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| Only someone severely sexually repressed and taught that the human body is inherently sexual and anything sexual is inherently evil and shameful and has never even watched much Western media to begin with would think that. The west doesnt use those terms because it doesn't need to. Ecchi is equivalent to what in the West is called sex comedies. Harem is what in the West is called a teen drama. |
| Bad anime is too perverted. Good anime is just good. If you watch only bad anime then it's your problem. |
Nemo_NiemandOct 13, 2023 5:56 AM
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| Some people are like: hardcore BDSM between people in western movies/shows - this is completely normal; panties visible in anime - OMG THIS IS TOO MUCH. |
| Yes. I don't care that perverted stuff exists, I just hate that it's in almost every single anime. |
| If anything, anime is not perverted enough |
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Yes. I don't care that perverted stuff exists, I just hate that it's in almost every single anime.
| @Romaki96 It only is in certain genres and art styles id say. You likely just arent watching enough variety. |
| I'm pretty sure 100% of anime fans worldwide became perverts thanks to anime itself, so yes, it is not only too perverted but beyond too perverted. As for western media like many have mentioning, it's not a direct comparison to anime but to Japanese media as a whole, the live action part of it is more explicit than its Japanese counterpart, that's given, but I wouldn't call it perverted. EDIT: This thread is too damn old lol |
| Nah, just put a Netflix movie/series and in 2 min they're nude and in 5 min having sex. Maybe it's perverted compared to cartoons. |
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