Solo Leveling hate is so forced

Jul 17, 2022 9:08 AM

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rxseee said:

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rxseee said:
Ok, I saw solid amount of Solo Leveling hate during time especially now that anime is announced, so I have few questions. When you found SL first time, it literally tells you what it's about in the title itself, ☆Solo Leveling☆, yeah its about mc's solo leveling, if you didn't like such a concept where the protagonist becomes stronger and stronger and beats everyone in cool fights, why would you even start reading it. People hate it like its supposed to be something else? It literally is what its supposed to be. With time, specificially after first 15-20 chapters, it establishes it's video game concept, where you have MC leveling up, buying items, upgrading, clearing dungeons, finding out about lore of the game, etc etc. Yeah everything such a concept needed, Solo Leveling done it pretty good. Now why all of the hate, people expected it to be something else or? It's like, yes I dont like that concept but I will still read it for the sake of hating something. It is same as If I dont like basketball, but I watch some random game of it and say its trash becouse players score points by shooting ball with hands trought hoop🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️I really dont understand this, yeah I dont claim that Solo Leveling is best thing ever, but it simply done right almost everything it needed to do right, it fullfiled its name to the fullest.

It doesn't absolve itself from criticism though. Yes it's about the MC leveling solo and getting OP. Does that mean the MC has to be the most blandest and generic MC in existence? No. Yet he is. Does this mean all the side-characters have to be more tools than characters lacking any real development? No. Yet they are. Does this mean the plot arcs have to be incredibly uninspired? No. Yet they are. I can go on and on. Even the worst concept can have amazing execution. And the best concept can have awful execution.

It's not "forced" just because people expect some semblance of quality. Especially from something that is incredibly highly rated and has been praised as the single best manhwa in existence. A masterpiece of masterpieces. Imagine the disappointment a lot of people feel when they then realize it's just the same generic OP MC with a game like setting plot that has been done a million times before with nothing to discern itself from everything else other than the art.

rxseee said:
With time, specificially after first 15-20 chapters, it establishes it's video game concept, where you have MC leveling up, buying items, upgrading, clearing dungeons, finding out about lore of the game, etc etc.

Here's another big issue. The first 15-20 chapters are MUCH different from the rest of the story. The gate they first entered is actually interesting. It's very mysterious and deadly. You actually feel the dread of the Gates. The MC also actually had emotions then. Then once we're past the prologue, every Gate becomes incredibly generic and stale and the MC loses all hints of emotion.

Love this criticism with no exact arguments at all. All you are saying is this is bad, that is bad, this is bland, that is generic, that has no quality, this is bad, this is uninspired, this is bad, that is bad. Like bro do you actually believe someone will seriously take ur opinion when u come to shit on a series with takes like this. Not me for sure lmao

I wasn't trying to convince anyone that the series is bad, so there wasn't any need for elaboration. You must've missed the point I was making if that was your takeaway. My point is that even though people know exactly what they're getting into, it can be executed well and it can be executed poorly. How you perceive that is of course entirely subjective. As I've said, I found this and that bad. But it does negate his point of the criticism being "forced". And if you were really starving for some elaboration, I at least touched on it in the last sentence regarding the prologue in relation to the rest of the story. If you really really is starved for elaboration, then here's my review of it:

Solo Leveling is a manhwa that always baffles me whenever I hear someone talk about it. They usually like to say nice sounding buzzwords whenever they praise it, but never bother to actually expand on it. It's always at the front page of whatever site or app you're using. But when I myself read it, it felt like I was reading a completely different manhwa than the one everyone was talking about.

I'm gonna be honest, the first like 15 chapters were actually entertaining. And I thought it was gonna turn out to be a really good manhwa. The gate we entered in the prologue was so different than how they are presented in the rest of the manhwa. There were rules to be followed and if not followed it would mean death. This is not at all present in later gates, in later gates its basically just different monsters in different environments. Which means the gates themselves are not at all interesting after the prologue which is a shame cause you had this sense of dread and mystique surrounding the gate when they entered it for the first time.

So how does the story develop after the prologue? Well...It doesn't really. We simply follow Sung Jin-Woo as he goes into different gates and strengthen himself at an insane speed. It just uses the same formula over and over again. He goes into a gate, something unexpected happens, for instance the gate was more dangerous than it seemed. He handles it with ease despite the difficulty change. And then rinse and repeat. It was very disappointing to have him become so extremely strong so quickly. There was no real sense of progress. One second he's the weakest and another second there is literally no threat in existence that can phase him.

Also a lack of overarching story makes it hard to be motivated to continue. There's no real goal Sung Jin-Woo set for himself. They did slightly touch on his mother being ill and he needing to heal her. But they barely explored his relationship with his mother or anything like that. It was more just a dumb reason for him to enter a gate. And it was resolved with ease.

Now we get into the absolute worst part of Solo Leveling. The characters. Mainly Sung Jin-Woo himself. Sung Jin-Woo was made to be as bland as humanly possible so that people can insert themselves into him and live out a power fantasy. We barely know anything about Sung Jin-Woo. He doesn't have any real motivation that drives him. He doesn't have any clear morals. In fact, he doesn't really have any emotions at all. Almost every single panel he is in he will make the same generic emotionless edgy expression. He almost never smiles, laughs, look scared, nervous or anything like that. His expression is always like he's watching a mediocre movie cause his girlfriend wanted to see it.

He has no development at all either. He goes from being the generic weak main character that's surprisingly brave when the situation calls for it into the generic edgy overpowered main character. There's no transition. And even after he has become overpowered nothing still develops him. And besides, there's nothing to push him into development since the arcs never presents him with a dilemma that forces character change.

As for other characters, there aren't really any notable ones. They introduce some new characters each arc but then they just kinda forget about their existence and you never see them again. At this point I've stopped remembering the name of the characters because they've proven time and time again that there's no point to it. And they aren't interesting. They're mostly just there to gasp at the sight of the MC doing MC shit. I also have a problem with how much they're pandering and using certain characters (mainly female characters) as tools for this. What I mean by this is that Sung Jin-Woo is made to be the ultimate edgy overpowered main character that you can self insert yourself into for a power fantasy. And they also uses characters as a tool to reinforce this, like him needing to rescue every female character as soon as they are about to get hurt (all the while the male characters gets slaughtered left and right).

Pretty much every female character he meets will at some point be rescued by him and/or fall for him. For instance there is one female character that is a bit obsessed with him cause he "smells" different than other people. And at another point where he's murdering monsters suddenly the last monster surrenders out of fear. And what do you know, that monster turns out to be a super hot monster babe that falls for him. All characters are just tools used to put Sung Jin-Woo himself up on a pedestal or as a measuring stick to see how overpowered he is.

As you may already have figured out, my enjoyment for this manhwa is not really high. None of the characters are memorable, the arcs are uninspired and had no real purpose except to make the main character stronger. The main character himself was dull. Except early on in the story where it was actually interesting and he had emotions and there was a sense of overall dread. But that was only the first couple of chapters.

Overall 3/10: I really can't give this any higher. Remove the art which is its only praiseworthy point and all you will be left with is the same generic self insert edgy overpowered main character power fantasy that has all the ladies fall for him. There's nothing memorable at all about this manhwa.

But again, you missed the point. Because all I was saying is that criticism can be justified despite what OP is saying.

I said I will not take u seriously so why are u even writing all of this I wont bother really

I mean if this is how all Solo Leveling fans behave, no wonder they dismiss criticism under the guise of being "forced".

Like I said, I cant take u seriously when ur criticism is not serious, I took other people serious and discussed with them bc they had criticism that was discussable, but I surely dont plan on wasting my time to try to convince someone who is saying *grass is purple* that grass is green, literally, go shit on SL on some other places youll surely find someone stupid enough to argue with u, but not me, sorry.

I literally explained why I didn't elaborate. And then I even gave a proper elaboration on my criticism in the form of my review. But you are just acting like a child covering your eyes and ears and refusing to actually listen cause you've already decided that you won't accept any criticism. You seem to embody the average Solo Leveling fan. Refusing to accept any criticism that isn't calling it a masterpiece. And no wonder the manhwa gets so overhyped when they have fans like this.

Bros every sentence is ClASsIc SoLo LeveLing FaN, avArAge SL FAn, EvEry Sl Fan BeHaVe LiKe ThiS hu hu he he. Bro why u so mad who hurt u. I said I wont accept YOUR criticism even before u sent whole this "elaboration" so you cant go with that Im now covering my eyes and ears blah blah shit. I literally discussed with many people in this thread so your point that Im like a scared child doesnt make sanse. One and only problem here is your lack of intellect to be at the same level as those people

This is the average interaction I tend to have with those fans. You're just reinforcing it. They tend to find some dumb excuse to dismiss criticism and then they do everything in their power to avoid any further criticism, like you're doing by simply deciding to dismiss everything I have to say even before I get a chance to elaborate. That's in no way shape or form something a person who has had "serious discussions" would do. Look no further than the OP literally saying criticism is "forced". This is the vast majority of Solo Leveling fans. They don't have the capacity to hear criticism.

So yes, my point that you're acting like a scared child is absolutely logical. I at least gave it a shot to have a reasonable discussion in which I give you exactly what was expected in order to have a "serious discussion". But of course you insisted on being childish, behaving like "nuh uh, I already decided I won't listen to you". I am fine if you don't want to hear my criticism then. But as much as you like to peddle the "no one will take you seriously" statement. I can just say, no one will take you nor Solo Leveling fans seriously after they see how you behave in response to criticism.

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Jul 17, 2022 9:16 AM

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