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LeonYeager said:
Pretty good take on this episode, but the "let's save humanity" scene is still cringe
Isayama should've executed it better

Really? I found it hype asf. Literally shouted in frustration when the accursed TBC screen popped up

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you're missing the point, the world doesn't consider the eldians as humans, the world wants to kill all eldians, why would you protect that humanity?

Feb 28, 2022 5:34 AM

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LeonYeager said:
Pretty good take on this episode, but the "let's save humanity" scene is still cringe
Isayama should've executed it better

Really? I found it hype asf. Literally shouted in frustration when the accursed TBC screen popped up

That scene was objectively cringe but u can still like it. And I don't have any problem with the whole concept of them uniting to stop eren, most of both the Marleyans and eldians of alliance have a somewhat good reason to going out of their way and trying to stop eren, it just wasn't a good execution

Feb 28, 2022 5:39 AM

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LeonYeager said:
Pretty good take on this episode, but the "let's save humanity" scene is still cringe
Isayama should've executed it better

After all this time I still don't see why people find it cringe. I found it pretty badass,

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Feb 28, 2022 5:45 AM

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Catalano said:
you're missing the point, the world doesn't consider the eldians as humans, the world wants to kill all eldians, why would you protect that humanity?

Because they're still humans at the end of the day and most of them dont know any better (talking abt non eldians). Niccolo, Magath, Pieck Squad all show that eldians and non eldians can get along fine if you just allowed them to interact properly

Feb 28, 2022 5:48 AM

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LeonYeager said:

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Really? I found it hype asf. Literally shouted in frustration when the accursed TBC screen popped up

That scene was objectively cringe but u can still like it. And I don't have any problem with the whole concept of them uniting to stop eren, most of both the Marleyans and eldians of alliance have a somewhat good reason to going out of their way and trying to stop eren, it just wasn't a good execution

Nope there isnt one bit of objectivity in calling it cringe. Its as well executed as it needs to be

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LeonYeager said:
Pretty good take on this episode, but the "let's save humanity" scene is still cringe
Isayama should've executed it better

After all this time I still don't see why people find it cringe. I found it pretty badass,

do you like marvel? If so, well it's obvious why you like s4ep24. For me it just doesn't fit in with aot

Feb 28, 2022 6:25 AM

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LeonYeager said:

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After all this time I still don't see why people find it cringe. I found it pretty badass,

do you like marvel? If so, well it's obvious why you like s4ep24. For me it just doesn't fit in with aot

Strawman argument again. I never said it was "too deep". I just said it looked "cool". Nothing to look deeper in it. Again, Aot fandom at it's finest.

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nhl2004 said:

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That scene was objectively cringe but u can still like it. And I don't have any problem with the whole concept of them uniting to stop eren, most of both the Marleyans and eldians of alliance have a somewhat good reason to going out of their way and trying to stop eren, it just wasn't a good execution

Nope there isnt one bit of objectivity in calling it cringe. Its as well executed as it needs to be

I'm not gonna argue with you on this, tbh when the manga chapter was released and now that the anime is aired, I only have/had two or three issues with it. So it's not a trash or even bad thing, it's just cringe because it isn't fitting for aot

Feb 28, 2022 6:42 AM

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LeonYeager said:

do you like marvel? If so, well it's obvious why you like s4ep24. For me it just doesn't fit in with aot

Strawman argument again. I never said it was "too deep". I just said it looked "cool". Nothing to look deeper in it. Again, Aot fandom at it's finest.

pretty sure that if someone is using a strawman stunt here, that's you. I've been saying that this scene wasn't bad or terrible, it just was something hard to watch, something that makes you want to turn your eyes away from the screen for a few secs. And u can find alot of scenes like this in marvel/DC movies, and there, these scenes are usually fitting but in aot at least for me it wasn't, and that makes it cringy af

Feb 28, 2022 6:42 AM

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LeonYeager said:

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Nope there isnt one bit of objectivity in calling it cringe. Its as well executed as it needs to be

I'm not gonna argue with you on this, tbh when the manga chapter was released and now that the anime is aired, I only have/had two or three issues with it. So it's not a trash or even bad thing, it's just cringe because it isn't fitting for aot

Well AoT always had these kinds of scenes.....Remember Pixis shouting from 60 m up in the air and somehow everyone hears him? You dont look too deeply into these things right? Just for the hype no need to look too deeply into it

Feb 28, 2022 6:49 AM

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I'm not gonna argue with you on this, tbh when the manga chapter was released and now that the anime is aired, I only have/had two or three issues with it. So it's not a trash or even bad thing, it's just cringe because it isn't fitting for aot

Well AoT always had these kinds of scenes.....Remember Pixis shouting from 60 m up in the air and somehow everyone hears him? You dont look too deeply into these things right? Just for the hype no need to look too deeply into it

pixis's speech is one of my favourite scenes of the whole series and that scene is not cringe at all, probably uses some anime logic(like how his voice was heard by soldiers from far away while he himself was above a 50m wall) which is normal, aot's an anime after all.
just rewatch that ep and see how impactful and realistic his speech was, and here I'm talking abt a single dialogue and a scene of like 10 secs, his speech was like 10min or less, if it really was cringe then I would drop aot back in s1

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Well AoT always had these kinds of scenes.....Remember Pixis shouting from 60 m up in the air and somehow everyone hears him? You dont look too deeply into these things right? Just for the hype no need to look too deeply into it

pixis's speech is one of my favourite scenes of the whole series and that scene is not cringe at all, probably uses some anime logic(like how his voice was heard by soldiers from far away while he himself was above a 50m wall) which is normal, aot's an anime after all.
just rewatch that ep and see how impactful and realistic his speech was, and here I'm talking abt a single dialogue and a scene of like 10 secs, his speech was like 10min or less, if it really was cringe then I would drop aot back in s1

Exactly. Did I ever say Pixis speech was cringe? Hell nah. I love it now as I did 4 years ago. But you just made my point. AoT is an anime and a shonen one at that, even tho it goes wayyyy beyond the shonen scope of things. Dramatic scenes of heroes before they go out to face their adversaries arent out of place at all

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I won't completely disagree but hange and others had 4 freaking years to find a way for paradise survival but they rather choose to live under kiyomi's kindness. And thats why eren had to take some action abt it. Also "to save the world" scene was really cringe and stupid specially in the manga cause Connie had the audacity to say that to Reiner after almost killing a innocent child and that child was the reason (with gabi) Reiner came to Paradise to rescue him.

Feb 28, 2022 7:23 AM

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LeonYeager said:
Pretty good take on this episode, but the "let's save humanity" scene is still cringe
Isayama should've executed it better

it's very cringe but that doesn't mean their motivations aren't valid or justified

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LeonYeager said:

nhl2004 said:

Well AoT always had these kinds of scenes.....Remember Pixis shouting from 60 m up in the air and somehow everyone hears him? You dont look too deeply into these things right? Just for the hype no need to look too deeply into it

pixis's speech is one of my favourite scenes of the whole series and that scene is not cringe at all, probably uses some anime logic(like how his voice was heard by soldiers from far away while he himself was above a 50m wall) which is normal, aot's an anime after all.
just rewatch that ep and see how impactful and realistic his speech was, and here I'm talking abt a single dialogue and a scene of like 10 secs, his speech was like 10min or less, if it really was cringe then I would drop aot back in s1

that was also cringe

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you're missing the point, the world doesn't consider the eldians as humans, the world wants to kill all eldians, why would you protect that humanity?

if you think killing everyone is justified then it's easy to justify them calling eldians devils.

Feb 28, 2022 7:56 AM

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I won't completely disagree but hange and others had 4 freaking years to find a way for paradise survival but they rather choose to live under kiyomi's kindness. And thats why eren had to take some action abt it. Also "to save the world" scene was really cringe and stupid specially in the manga cause Connie had the audacity to say that to Reiner after almost killing a innocent child and that child was the reason (with gabi) Reiner came to Paradise to rescue him.

Yes. He almost killed a child to save his mother. A stranger for one's own family. And he realized how selfishly he'd been acting too. Besides, they're all hypocrites in one way or another (just like humans in general) but compared to Reiner at least, Connie is still a bloody saint. Its an invitation to let everything that happened prior be water under the bridge and move forward to stop omnicide. So no not cringe at all unless you already hate the anime and just want more reasons to hate it

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you're missing the point, the world doesn't consider the eldians as humans, the world wants to kill all eldians, why would you protect that humanity?

That's not true for the whole world. And this is best exemplified in chapter 131 when

Feb 28, 2022 7:58 AM

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Really? I found it hype asf. Literally shouted in frustration when the accursed TBC screen popped up

That scene was objectively cringe but u can still like it. And I don't have any problem with the whole concept of them uniting to stop eren, most of both the Marleyans and eldians of alliance have a somewhat good reason to going out of their way and trying to stop eren, it just wasn't a good execution

Using the word "objectively" so casually is not a good thing. It loses it's meaning.

It most definitely wasn't objectively cringe. Just in your subjective opinion.
Just like it was badass in OP's subjective opinion.

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pixis's speech is one of my favourite scenes of the whole series and that scene is not cringe at all, probably uses some anime logic(like how his voice was heard by soldiers from far away while he himself was above a 50m wall) which is normal, aot's an anime after all.
just rewatch that ep and see how impactful and realistic his speech was, and here I'm talking abt a single dialogue and a scene of like 10 secs, his speech was like 10min or less, if it really was cringe then I would drop aot back in s1

Exactly. Did I ever say Pixis speech was cringe? Hell nah. I love it now as I did 4 years ago. But you just made my point. AoT is an anime and a shonen one at that, even tho it goes wayyyy beyond the shonen scope of things. Dramatic scenes of heroes before they go out to face their adversaries arent out of place at all

you're not wrong again, now what I say is that a dialogue was needed for that moment but just look at the comments, it hadn't the impact for many fans and some like me are really annoyed by it. Tho it was at least better than the manga version, ch126 ended showing a cut with Annie's ass...

Feb 28, 2022 8:08 AM

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I won't completely disagree but hange and others had 4 freaking years to find a way for paradise survival but they rather choose to live under kiyomi's kindness. And thats why eren had to take some action abt it. Also "to save the world" scene was really cringe and stupid specially in the manga cause Connie had the audacity to say that to Reiner after almost killing a innocent child and that child was the reason (with gabi) Reiner came to Paradise to rescue him.

Yes. He almost killed a child to save his mother. A stranger for one's own family. And he realized how selfishly he'd been acting too. Besides, they're all hypocrites in one way or another (just like humans in general) but compared to Reiner at least, Connie is still a bloody saint. Its an invitation to let everything that happened prior be water under the bridge and move forward to stop omnicide. So no not cringe at all unless you already hate the anime and just want more reasons to hate it

I seriously hate when people like to assume what I think, "unless you already hate the anime" I wouldn't have been here if I didnt liked the anime even after reading the manga. Also it was cringe, but I have to agree that anime somewhat saved it from being utter cringe unlike the manga.

Feb 28, 2022 8:28 AM

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LeonYeager said:
Pretty good take on this episode, but the "let's save humanity" scene is still cringe
Isayama should've executed it better

it's very cringe but that doesn't mean they're motivations are valid or justified

agreed, at this point in the story nobody is completely justified (except onyankopon maybe?) But here it is: Reiner, Gabi, falco, onyankopon, Annie, magath, pieck and probably even Yelena really want to save their families and people, just like eren. Mikasa doesn't want innocents to die(obvious by her reaction in s4p1), Armin wants to follow Erwin's "do this for the humanity", because he feels insecure about getting CT instead of Erwin and believes that Erwin would see the outside world as a part of humanity so if only normal that he wants to stop eren if you look at it this way. But if you're talking about the execution of alliance assembling you are completely right, it is annoying

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pixis's speech is one of my favourite scenes of the whole series and that scene is not cringe at all, probably uses some anime logic(like how his voice was heard by soldiers from far away while he himself was above a 50m wall) which is normal, aot's an anime after all.
just rewatch that ep and see how impactful and realistic his speech was, and here I'm talking abt a single dialogue and a scene of like 10 secs, his speech was like 10min or less, if it really was cringe then I would drop aot back in s1

that was also cringe

how? This is the first time I'm seeing someone that dislikes his speech

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LeonYeager said:

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Really? I found it hype asf. Literally shouted in frustration when the accursed TBC screen popped up

That scene was objectively cringe but u can still like it. And I don't have any problem with the whole concept of them uniting to stop eren, most of both the Marleyans and eldians of alliance have a somewhat good reason to going out of their way and trying to stop eren, it just wasn't a good execution

I don’t think you understand what objective means. You’re like one of those people who struggle with the word, ‘literally’.

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LeonYeager said:

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Really? I found it hype asf. Literally shouted in frustration when the accursed TBC screen popped up

That scene was objectively cringe but u can still like it. And I don't have any problem with the whole concept of them uniting to stop eren, most of both the Marleyans and eldians of alliance have a somewhat good reason to going out of their way and trying to stop eren, it just wasn't a good execution

It isn’t objectively cringe since I didn’t think of it as cringe at all. That automatically makes it subjective, meaning it’s just your opinion and not a fact as you’re making it seem. You can think of it as cringe all you want though, you do have that right.

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LeonYeager said:

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After all this time I still don't see why people find it cringe. I found it pretty badass,

do you like marvel? If so, well it's obvious why you like s4ep24. For me it just doesn't fit in with aot

yeah I think your right 😂 i have a 14 year old sis , she watches aot and she was really hyped after this episode , and she didn't like the earlier episodes.

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Ok I was wrong when I tried to make my opinion objective, tbh I'm a bit disappointed because I didn't want this scene to be animated like this(tho it was better than the manga)

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LeonYeager said:

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that was also cringe

how? This is the first time I'm seeing someone that dislikes his speech

It's just not my cup of tea, i always find stuff like that cringe it really has nothing to do with writing for me

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it's very cringe but that doesn't mean they're motivations are valid or justified

agreed, at this point in the story nobody is completely justified (except onyankopon maybe?) But here it is: Reiner, Gabi, falco, onyankopon, Annie, magath, pieck and probably even Yelena really want to save their families and people, just like eren. Mikasa doesn't want innocents to die(obvious by her reaction in s4p1), Armin wants to follow Erwin's "do this for the humanity", because he feels insecure about getting CT instead of Erwin and believes that Erwin would see the outside world as a part of humanity so if only normal that he wants to stop eren if you look at it this way. But if you're talking about the execution of alliance assembling you are completely right, it is annoying

i think i said the complete opposite of what i wanted to say what i meant to say is that just beacause it's cringe that doesn't mean their motivations aren't justified or valid

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I get it the world and stuff thing don't want to offend anyone so , if i do I'm really sorry , but I don't think the alliance opposing eren is anything bad or even questionable , hate to say it but this type of thing did happened during the 1940s , and it all started with the winners almost slaving the losers, I get it everyone wants the eldians to die but this doesn't mean you need to eliminate almost all the people , wht eren is doing is pure genocide well it's not even a single race he's going to wipe out humanity for fucks sake, im going on a tangent but if someone had read the manga ending [spoilers] i don't think the manga ending was bad it was a lil rushed but the motivation of eren was i think well justified and tbh thers was no other way it could have ended cause eren n group did tried for peace , if you didn't liked the ending please tell why I would like to hear your opinion [spoiler]

this thread is obviously not about the ending and I don't think anyone thinks that the whole idea of alliance trying to stop eren is wrong or out of character from its members, fans just didn't like the way that alliance were assembled together, actually most of them, like all the Marleyans and onyankopon have solid reasons to try and stop eren. But about the manga ending, no one is discussing it here so if you don't want to get spammed with character assassination, retcon and plothole stuff please delete your comment

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LeonYeager said:

do you like marvel? If so, well it's obvious why you like s4ep24. For me it just doesn't fit in with aot

yeah I think your right 😂 i have a 14 year old sis , she watches aot and she was really hyped after this episode , and she didn't like the earlier episodes.

did someone actually agree with me?

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LeonYeager said:

HARSHBEINGHARSH said:
I get it the world and stuff thing don't want to offend anyone so , if i do I'm really sorry , but I don't think the alliance opposing eren is anything bad or even questionable , hate to say it but this type of thing did happened during the 1940s , and it all started with the winners almost slaving the losers, I get it everyone wants the eldians to die but this doesn't mean you need to eliminate almost all the people , wht eren is doing is pure genocide well it's not even a single race he's going to wipe out humanity for fucks sake, im going on a tangent but if someone had read the manga ending [spoilers] i don't think the manga ending was bad it was a lil rushed but the motivation of eren was i think well justified and tbh thers was no other way it could have ended cause eren n group did tried for peace , if you didn't liked the ending please tell why I would like to hear your opinion [spoiler]

this thread is obviously not about the ending and I don't think anyone thinks that the whole idea of alliance trying to stop eren is wrong or out of character from its members, fans just didn't like the way that alliance were assembled together, actually most of them, like all the Marleyans and onyankopon have solid reasons to try and stop eren. But about the manga ending, no one is discussing it here so if you don't want to get spammed with character assassination, retcon and plothole stuff please delete your comment

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yeah I think your right 😂 i have a 14 year old sis , she watches aot and she was really hyped after this episode , and she didn't like the earlier episodes.

did someone actually agree with me?

oh thanks tbh I didn't read it all so I thought it was on the morality issue.

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how? This is the first time I'm seeing someone that dislikes his speech

It's just not my cup of tea, i always find stuff like that cringe it really has nothing to do with writing for me

well I understand this, but what about his character overall? Do you like him or not? And what about Erwin, he has many speeches and similar moments

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agreed, at this point in the story nobody is completely justified (except onyankopon maybe?) But here it is: Reiner, Gabi, falco, onyankopon, Annie, magath, pieck and probably even Yelena really want to save their families and people, just like eren. Mikasa doesn't want innocents to die(obvious by her reaction in s4p1), Armin wants to follow Erwin's "do this for the humanity", because he feels insecure about getting CT instead of Erwin and believes that Erwin would see the outside world as a part of humanity so if only normal that he wants to stop eren if you look at it this way. But if you're talking about the execution of alliance assembling you are completely right, it is annoying

i think i said the complete opposite of what i wanted to say what i meant to say is that just beacause it's cringe that doesn't mean their motivations aren't justified or valid

ohh right, did I misread it or did you edit your comment?

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It's just not my cup of tea, i always find stuff like that cringe it really has nothing to do with writing for me

well I understand this, but what about his character overall? Do you like him or not? And what about Erwin, he has many speeches and similar moments

it's not that i don't like characters like that but whenever they start talking about, I'm please like keep the cringe to a minimum, but i love pixis and erwin especially erwin he's one of my favourite characters in all of anime and the reason i love him is beacause he's wants the truth it's much less if at all about saving the world

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LeonYeager said:

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i think i said the complete opposite of what i wanted to say what i meant to say is that just beacause it's cringe that doesn't mean their motivations aren't justified or valid

ohh right, did I misread it or did you edit your comment?

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Harsh_ahir said:

i think i said the complete opposite of what i wanted to say what i meant to say is that just beacause it's cringe that doesn't mean their motivations aren't justified or valid

ohh right, did I misread it or did you edit your comment?

no i don't think you misread it i just edited it

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